Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Or to put it another way, will we actually use our analytics department? Other than when the Bills played the Jets, I didn't follow the Jets much and I honestly don't know how aggressive Ryan was in 4th and short situations. I wasn't a Marrone fan but the thing that I hated about him the most was the ultra-conservative decisions on fourth and short. It was like he was in a time warp from 1955 and field position was the only possible consideration, even when playing high powered offenses like the Pats. I'm not an analytics expert but my understanding is that the stats are overwhelming when it is 4th and short in your opponents territory you go for it. In addition to the pure stats approach, I believe that habitually going for it (1) gives your team a mindset that you're out to win the game (the Tuesday Morning QB Greg Easterbrook theory) and (2) gives you more options on play calling if you know you are going to go for it on fourth and short, meaning you can run the ball on 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 4. I would love for the Bills to be the honest to God first NFL team to employ Moneyball analysis to football. Someone's going to do it eventually. Might as well be us. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrecksRyan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Bummer... I was hoping for those answers.I already know he's a great football mind!He's a great defensive mind. Don't confuse that with being a great football mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 He's a great defensive mind. Don't confuse that with being a great football mind.Serious question: Did you join this community solely to conduct a crusade against Rex Ryan? It sure looks that way. Do you consider this crusade to be a public service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Without looking at the statistical analysis of Rex going for it inside the 40, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably doesn't very often. Rex likes to ground and pound and play GREAT defense. It's how he won with Sanchez at QB. If you have 4th and 1 on the 40, chances are you're going to put them inside the 10. Then you might get a turnover or even just stop them and they punt back to us. Fits his MO as far as what I know about him. I don't get this whole 4th and 1 litmus test thing. Depends on the situation. You gotta evaluate it on things like what's the score? How much time is left? How is my defense playing? What kind of offense does the team you're playing have? Do I honestly think my offense can get this today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Without looking at the statistical analysis of Rex going for it inside the 40, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably doesn't very often. Rex likes to ground and pound and play GREAT defense. It's how he won with Sanchez at QB. If you have 4th and 1 on the 40, chances are you're going to put them inside the 10. Then you might get a turnover or even just stop them and they punt back to us. Fits his MO as far as what I know about him. I don't get this whole 4th and 1 litmus test thing. Depends on the situation. You gotta evaluate it on things like what's the score? How much time is left? How is my defense playing? What kind of offense does the team you're playing have? Do I honestly think my offense can get this today? Because certain previous HC's punted way too much on 4th and 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrecksRyan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Did you join this community solely to conduct a crusade against Rex Ryan? It sure looks that way. Do you consider this crusade to be a public service?Not as a crusade, but certainly as a source of information for you guys if you want it. He left NY with millions on his side thinking he got the short end of the stick. It's pretty difficult to be charismatic enough to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Not as a crusade, but certainly as a source of information for you guys if you want it. He left NY with millions on his side thinking he got the short end of the stick. It's pretty difficult to be charismatic enough to do that. Doug, there's no need to do this. You'll find a Job somewhere, I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Not as a crusade, but certainly as a source of information for you guys if you want it. He left NY with millions on his side thinking he got the short end of the stick. It's pretty difficult to be charismatic enough to do that.So far, you have provided zero "information"; just naked pronouncements backed up by, as far as I can tell, nothing. We all know what his record in NY was and what his perceived strengths and weaknesses are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I just wanted to know if Rex was a Ghost Hunters fan or a Ghost Adventures fan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrecksRyan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Perfect article to explain what I mean. Worth the read. http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/hey-buffalo-rex-will-deliver-more-laughs-than-wins/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sure... Meanwhile if he went to Atlanta they would be saying how amazing it is and what a great hire it was... That's ok. Rex is the PERFECT guy to lead the underdogs who nobody but the fans believes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Doug, there's no need to do this. You'll find a Job somewhere, I promise. No he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Perfect article to explain what I mean. Worth the read. http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/hey-buffalo-rex-will-deliver-more-laughs-than-wins/ Pretty uninformative article. Just a fish-hack spewing his personal opinions without much to back it up. Nothing to make me think Rex isn't a great coach who was caught in a bad situation his last few years in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrecksRyan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Perfect article to explain what I mean. Worth the read. http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/hey-buffalo-rex-will-deliver-more-laughs-than-wins/ Pretty uninformative article. Just a fish-hack spewing his personal opinions without much to back it up. Nothing to make me think Rex isn't a great coach who was caught in a bad situation his last few years in New York. Haha I'm telling you as a fan, that article is SPOT ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 there was one time marrone did it this year and it paid off, but i hate punting on 4th and short anytime. oregon did it on 4th and 4 down 2 scores with only 8 minutes left against an Ohio State team they couldnt stop all game. unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) No he won't. Walmart is hiring. Didn't say it was a football job. Edited January 15, 2015 by The Real Buffalo Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Perfect article to explain what I mean. Worth the read. http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/hey-buffalo-rex-will-deliver-more-laughs-than-wins/ At this point what else can the Jersey media print? Most of the national media will follow suit just because the Bills past 15 years history. Rex was saddled with an owner and GM who (obviously) not up on getting or keeping top talent on the team. or did Rex have the power to select personnel? Will Rex be a winner in Buffalo ?? The hell if I know... Will I cheer and root for him hell yeah. Oh and a few laughs to go with it won't kill us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 cardale Jones will pick up those 4th and shorts on QB sneaks by running over nose tackles pffb bpb fpbfpbf(<----thats the sound Berman makes on ESPN) https://giant.gfycat.com/SimilarMarvelousImperatorangel.webm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Screw that, let's make it on third down. I like the way you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 the expected outcome, even if you happen to successfully pin the other team, points towards risking the 4th down Yeah, I think its go for it on 4th and 1 anytime past your own 43 or 44 yard line regarding the odds being in your favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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