plenzmd1 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Every week Gruden's is looking more like a "one-and-done" coach in Washington. I think that is what he wants to be truthful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The people who say he can't become a very good qb didn't watch him play his rookie year. He has a tremendous arm and he is accurate, at least in his rookie year he possessed it. If the Skins prematurely give up on him another franchise will reap the dividends of their foolishness. In his rookie season, RG3 played in a gimmick offense that did not require him to sit back in pocket and read a defense. Read option offenses don't work anymore. And RG3 hasn't been able to adjust to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 if he comes available …. go get him DW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 @nflnetwork: From @Rapsheet: Gruden received "positive feedback" for RGIII press conference. Also has ability to bench RGIII. "Anything is possible." @RapSheet: The landscape has changed for RGIII. No more special rules for him, including his family essentially having all-access to the facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Sounds like the Washington football team is done giving him special treatment. He needs to perform or he is done. He keeps missing wide open receivers, but people seem to think RG3 can recover. Not sure I see it happening. If he is missing reads 3 years into his NFL, then he is about done IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 @nflnetwork: From @Rapsheet: Gruden received "positive feedback" for RGIII press conference. Also has ability to bench RGIII. "Anything is possible." @RapSheet: The landscape has changed for RGIII. No more special rules for him, including his family essentially having all-access to the facility. RGIII sees privileges end in D.C., isn't locked in as starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Cossell watches film all day. This was his conclusion. What top draft pick QB has ever fallen apart so quickly and then be completely rehabilitated by the same or another team? I am a big fan of Greg Cossell. I respect his opinion very much. The film he is commenting on regarding RGIII is the current film. There is no doubt that RGIII as it stands is a broken player. Everything about his game from his decision-making, footwork and fundamentals is in a shambles. However, being a lost soul doesn't mean that it is lost for perpetuity. In his rookie year he demonstrated, especially in the second-half of the season, that he is a dynamic player that can dramatically impact the game. He demonstrated in hiis rookie year that he has a powerful arm and that he is very accurate. There is no doubt that he was still a very unrefined player but the talent was obvious. Can he regain his confidence and learn the fundaments that are necessary to be successful in this league? That is the unanswered question. I'm confident that the HC in Philly would love to have the opportunity to work with him. Sometimes a change of sceneray and a fresh start will do wonders to resuscitate a floundering career. I strongly caution you to not be too premature in your assessment. What top draft pick QB has ever fallen apart so quickly and then be completely rehabilitated by the same or another team? Drew Brees, Rich Gannon and Kurt Warner,come to mind that they weren't instant successes yet they turned around their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am a big fan of Greg Cossell. I respect his opinion very much. The film he is commenting on regarding RGIII is the current film. There is no doubt that RGIII as it stands is a broken player. Everything about his game from his decision-making, footwork and fundamentals is in a shambles. However, being a lost soul doesn't mean that it is lost for perpetuity. In his rookie year he demonstrated, especially in the second-half of the season, that he is a dynamic player that can dramatically impact the game. He demonstrated in hiis rookie year that he has a powerful arm and that he is very accurate. There is no doubt that he was still a very unrefined player but the talent was obvious. Can he regain his confidence and learn the fundaments that are necessary to be successful in this league? That is the unanswered question. I'm confident that the HC in Philly would love to have the opportunity to work with him. Sometimes a change of sceneray and a fresh start will do wonders to resuscitate a floundering career. I strongly caution you to not be too premature in your assessment. Drew Brees, Rich Gannon and Kurt Warner,come to mind that they weren't instant successes yet they turned around their careers. None of those guys were top picks. Brees was a second rounder and Warner was underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 None of those guys were top picks. Brees was a second rounder and Warner was underrated The point I am stressing is that these players took time to develop as qbs. It really doesn't matter how high or low you are drafted. There are various developmental schedules for players. As I stated to WEO just because a player is currently struggling it doesn't mean that he is not salvageable, especially if he exhibited demonstrable production in his rookie year. I guarantee it that the innovative HC for the Eagles would love to have an opportunity to work with RGIII. What I am stressing is that what is broken now doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 7m7 minutes ago So, it turns out that Robert Griffin III and #Redskins coach Jay Gruden are neighbors, a house or two away. Unclear if they have cookouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The point I am stressing is that these players took time to develop as qbs. It really doesn't matter how high or low you are drafted. There are various developmental schedules for players. As I stated to WEO just because a player is currently struggling it doesn't mean that he is not salvageable, especially if he exhibited demonstrable production in his rookie year. I guarantee it that the innovative HC for the Eagles would love to have an opportunity to work with RGIII. What I am stressing is that what is broken now doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be fixed. I don't doubt the dudes talent. Jay Gruden is a good coach and so is Shanny. If they can't get him to understand his reads, maybe its not coaching. There are many many many reports questioning the dudes work ethic and that is something only the player can improve. This is all on RG3. He needs to decide he is going to be a great player. He isn't the best athlete anymore, can he develop into a passer or not? Thats on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I agree he needs better protection. I'm not sure I agree that given it he will be fine, but that isn't my point in the above post. My point is that the benefit to sticking with him throughout the rest of this season is that you get to make a proper, informed, decision about the future. If the reality is that the decision is basically already made then I think it undermines the benefits somewhat. Totally agree....Sounds like the EJ experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Can Gruden, RGIII's relationship be repaired? The "NFL GameDay Morning" team discusses whether or not the relationship between Washington Redskins head coach Jay Gruden and quarterback Robert Griffin III is beyond repair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Cossell watches film all day. This was his conclusion. What top draft pick QB has ever fallen apart so quickly and then be completely rehabilitated by the same or another team? This is a stupid question. It doesn't need "and then be completely rehabilitated by the same or another team?" This is totally unique as far as I can tell. What other quarterback was a superstar his rookie year, blew out his knee in the playoffs, and then became a shell of himself the next two years? Sounds like the Washington football team is done giving him special treatment. He needs to perform or he is done. He keeps missing wide open receivers, but people seem to think RG3 can recover. Not sure I see it happening. If he is missing reads 3 years into his NFL, then he is about done IMO Is this how people/announcers are referring to the Redskins so as to not say the word Redskins? If so, if instead of those four words, you said Washington, I would never have noticed it. But, saying those four words says to me - Hey, look at me, I'm not saying Redskins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Can Gruden, RGIII's relationship be repaired? In sports, almost any relationship can be repaired. Provided everyone excels and they have success. "Winning is the best deodorant."--John Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Is this how people/announcers are referring to the Redskins so as to not say the word Redskins? If so, if instead of those four words, you said Washington, I would never have noticed it. But, saying those four words says to me - Hey, look at me, I'm not saying Redskins! I've seen announcers say it that way. Mostly I hate Daniel Snyder so its more of a knock on him. also this clip from the daily show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYs7QagnDc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Any clownass announcer who calls it the Washington football team should just say "LOOK AT ME" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Any clownass announcer who calls it the Washington football team should just say "LOOK AT ME" instead. Sorry to have offended you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I didn't know you were an announcer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I didn't know you were an announcer? Let it go man. I'm not going to make this into a debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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