bobobonators Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Wow, forget I ever mentioned anything - tough crowd here today. You're right Klos63 - nobody has calendars anymore. You ever hear the word - "expression"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Wow, forget I ever mentioned anything - tough crowd here today. You're right Klos63 - nobody has calendars anymore. You ever hear the word - "expression"? Sorry. didn't mean to go at you that hard...it's just cliches about trap game, overlooking an opponent.....those are just media things...players prepare and practice for the upcoming game and travel...etc don't mean as much as people believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Wow, forget I ever mentioned anything - tough crowd here today. You're right Klos63 - nobody has calendars anymore. You ever hear the word - "expression"? Sorry for acting so tough on you, but reading these posts daily I am shocked at some of the logic that goes into 'hoping we win' by things other then playing the game. Look past a game, trap game, travel through time zones, weather, the fans....Nothing personal, just amazes me sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Agree 100% with this. In fact I think the only real weather advantage a team has is Miami in September. 100 degrees and 90% humidity sap the hell out of teams. GO BILLS!!! Not a fact. Arizona has a similar advantage. Look it up. You can die in their weather conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Not a fact. Arizona has a similar advantage. Look it up. You can die in their weather conditions. They play indoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Not a fact. Arizona has a similar advantage. Look it up. You can die in their weather conditions. Arizona plays in a dome, no weather issues for games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) talking playoffs is a trap move. per some headline on TBD - happy to be in the hunt oye we're doomed!!! Edited November 4, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 talking playoffs is a trap move. per some headline on TBD - happy to be in the hunt oye we're doomed!!! The Chefs have a thread about being a SB contender! Doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The Chefs have a thread about being a SB contender! Doomed. LOL BTW whats the blackout cutoff? not that it matters to me in VA Stub Hub has 3,411 tickets available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Not a fact. Arizona has a similar advantage. Look it up. You can die in their weather conditions. Is that with the air conditioning on or off? Seriously though, and speaking of air conditioning, I hear opposing kickers HATE kicking into it. That IS a home field advantage for Arizona. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 40 degrees and rain/snow mix? Now might be the perfect time to remind everyone I have two seats in the Van Miller Club I need to move for this weekend's game. The seats are covered and have the benefit of the radiant heaters. PM me if interested! If you do not work in marketing, you missed your calling. Way to swoop in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 LOL BTW whats the blackout cutoff? not that it matters to me in VA Stub Hub has 3,411 tickets available I thought the game was already declared a sellout. Club seats do not count in that determination, and of course Stubhub tickets and others in the resale market don't count either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I thought the game was already declared a sellout. Club seats do not count in that determination, and of course Stubhub tickets and others in the resale market don't count either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Sorry. didn't mean to go at you that hard...it's just cliches about trap game, overlooking an opponent.....those are just media things...players prepare and practice for the upcoming game and travel...etc don't mean as much as people believe. haha..no worries. I don't know, I don't have any hard evidence to back it up but I feel that anecdotally I constantly see teams fail to perform at their optimum level prior to a big match up the following week, especially when they're playing what is perceived to be a weaker team the week prior - hence the term "trap game" which has been around for quite a while. I understand that players prepare and practice for every week, but at the end of the day they're human and not robots. When I played sports in high school and somewhat throughout college, I always knew when our big game was coming up and sometimes that 2% of your body/brain that wasn't 100% focused on this week's matchup was the difference between a victory and a loss - especially in the NFL where the talent is essentially even across the board for the most part. I don't think coaches ever look past an opponent but I really feel sometimes players do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Marv changed his philosophy with the team around him, that's what made him a great coach. I was referring to the league philosophy 20+ years ago, it was always "run and stop the run", especially in cold weather. but you can spin it however you like... The discussion was about Bills' home field advantage, so I fail to see how all of a sudden it's a discussion of a league philosophy. And I don't need to spin anything to know that Marv's philosophy miraculously changed when Walt Corey was dumped and he was forced to hire Wade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 haha..no worries. I don't know, I don't have any hard evidence to back it up but I feel that anecdotally I constantly see teams fail to perform at their optimum level prior to a big match up the following week, especially when they're playing what is perceived to be a weaker team the week prior - hence the term "trap game" which has been around for quite a while. I understand that players prepare and practice for every week, but at the end of the day they're human and not robots. When I played sports in high school and somewhat throughout college, I always knew when our big game was coming up and sometimes that 2% of your body/brain that wasn't 100% focused on this week's matchup was the difference between a victory and a loss - especially in the NFL where the talent is essentially even across the board for the most part. I don't think coaches ever look past an opponent but I really feel sometimes players do. Fair enough.....but I feel once the game starts you are 100% in to that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 haha..no worries. I don't know, I don't have any hard evidence to back it up but I feel that anecdotally I constantly see teams fail to perform at their optimum level prior to a big match up the following week, especially when they're playing what is perceived to be a weaker team the week prior - hence the term "trap game" which has been around for quite a while. I understand that players prepare and practice for every week, but at the end of the day they're human and not robots. When I played sports in high school and somewhat throughout college, I always knew when our big game was coming up and sometimes that 2% of your body/brain that wasn't 100% focused on this week's matchup was the difference between a victory and a loss - especially in the NFL where the talent is essentially even across the board for the most part. I don't think coaches ever look past an opponent but I really feel sometimes players do. The article is a couple of years old, but facts are facts -- there's no evidence to support the existence of "trap" or "letdown" games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The article is a couple of years old, but facts are facts -- there's no evidence to support the existence of "trap" or "letdown" games. facts always get in the way of a good thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The only weather that has a significant effect on a game is wind......rain, cold, snow.....easier to play through than a windy day. What about fog? Have seen fog so bad a QB can not see his OTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) The article is a couple of years old, but facts are facts -- there's no evidence to support the existence of "trap" or "letdown" games. I remember reading that article at one point. It's a great article and well reasoned. I don't think you can just say "facts are facts" and leave it there. The way that "study" was done is not concrete as it relies on a team's final record at the end of the season and then goes back at the w/l's to determine what a "trap game" actually was. Such a strategy completely removes ebbs/flows and momentum that naturally occur within a season by simply looking at the final product - these ebbs/flows and momentum within a season are the very ESSENCE of what a trap game is. For example: Right now the Chiefs are 5-3. Right now they're an above .500 team. Right now they're a "good" team. According to many, they're fully expected to win this game vs. an "inferior" Bills team. But what if the Chiefs lose vs. the Bills? What if that kills some of their momentum and then going into the seattle game that loss gets compounded by another loss. In a heartbeat the Chiefs are 5-5. What if ultimately the Chiefs finish 7-9 in the season. In that scenario, the Chiefs wouldn't have even been considered in this study as an above .500 team despite the fact that in week 10, they were a "good" team and fully expected to win. The "facts" in that article are highly debatable. Edited November 4, 2014 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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