vegas55 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 It was interesting to listen last week to so many critics, including the two afternoon clowns at WGR, concluding what a terrible mistake Whaley made in trading up for Watkins. The nitwits had two main points, both of which were, unsurprisingly, completely wrong. First point was they moved up to acquire a weapon for EJ, and so now that EJ is benched the move was a major mistake. As if EJ is the only QB who needs great receivers. Every QB in the NFL could use mega talented receivers. Certainly Orton did yesterday. And you don't think Stafford terribly missed not having Calvin Johnson healthy yesterday? Their second point is that Bills gave up 2015 number one draft pick, which they would need to draft a franchise QB in case EJ fails. But it's obvious that the Bills have a lot of talent, and even last year, with an oft injured rookie EJ at QB, they still managed to win 6 games. No matter how mediocre Bills QB is in 2014, it's extremely unlikely they would win less than 6. And that's gives you the 9th or 10th pick, and you are never getting a sure fire, franchise QB that late in the round. It just doesn't happen. Atlanta made a similiar move several years ago, trading way up to get Julio Jones. I NEVER hear criticism of that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Actually - have seen quite a few stories on how the trade for Jones has kept Atlanta from building a better team- robbed them of needed cap friendly talent...The only position you move up for is franchise QB...it's all that matters in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Anything wrong with posting this here?----------------------------> http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/171760-watkins-trade-revisited/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 You never hear criticism because Julio actually has produced consistent big plays (when healthy). QB play is not an issue for the Falcons. QB play IS for the Bills. In short, there's complete validity for criticism of the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 You never hear criticism because Julio actually has produced consistent big plays (when healthy). QB play is not an issue for the Falcons. QB play IS for the Bills. In short, there's complete validity for criticism of the Bills. You can reasonably argue both sides of the issue. I consider Watkins a special talent. However, if the Bills didn't have a qb who could consistently get him the ball then his talents would be squandered and his productivity on the field would be severely diminished. That would be a good argument for those who feelt too much was given up in the trade up. When the qb is more than moderately accurate, like Orton, then Watkins not only produces but he is a factor in creating more room for the other receivers. Woods is going to be a benefactor with the coverage tilted towards Watkins. The defense was the biggest reason why the Bills beat the Lions. But without Watkins making some difficult clutch catches the Bills lose that game. In other words the team is getting a good return and an early return on its investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 "you are never getting a sure fire, franchise QB that late in the round. It just doesn't happen. I disagree. Signed, Aaron Rodgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I disagree. Signed, Aaron Rodgers I also disagree, signed Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Eff You all. Signed, Russell Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeoriaAZBillsFan Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I also disagree, signed Drew Brees. I too disagree, signed Tom Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 He is a game changer. Never pass on a game changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 It was interesting to listen last week to so many critics, including the two afternoon clowns at WGR, concluding what a terrible mistake Whaley made in trading up for Watkins. The nitwits had two main points, both of which were, unsurprisingly, completely wrong. First point was they moved up to acquire a weapon for EJ, and so now that EJ is benched the move was a major mistake. As if EJ is the only QB who needs great receivers. Every QB in the NFL could use mega talented receivers. Certainly Orton did yesterday. And you don't think Stafford terribly missed not having Calvin Johnson healthy yesterday? Their second point is that Bills gave up 2015 number one draft pick, which they would need to draft a franchise QB in case EJ fails. But it's obvious that the Bills have a lot of talent, and even last year, with an oft injured rookie EJ at QB, they still managed to win 6 games. No matter how mediocre Bills QB is in 2014, it's extremely unlikely they would win less than 6. And that's gives you the 9th or 10th pick, and you are never getting a sure fire, franchise QB that late in the round. It just doesn't happen. Atlanta made a similiar move several years ago, trading way up to get Julio Jones. I NEVER hear criticism of that trade. I listen almost every day...And I'm not sure what they said recently...But I do know that Schopp was all for the trade even prior to it going down, and Bulldog was against it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 The Bills lose to the Bears and Lions without Watkins. 1-4 would feel a lot worse than 3-2. Granted without Watkins our 1st rounder would probably be another 6-10 pick. As it is the 1st rounder the Browns will get will probably be no better than 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) It was interesting to listen last week to so many critics, including the two afternoon clowns at WGR, concluding what a terrible mistake Whaley made in trading up for Watkins. The nitwits had two main points, both of which were, unsurprisingly, completely wrong. First point was they moved up to acquire a weapon for EJ, and so now that EJ is benched the move was a major mistake. As if EJ is the only QB who needs great receivers. Every QB in the NFL could use mega talented receivers. Certainly Orton did yesterday. And you don't think Stafford terribly missed not having Calvin Johnson healthy yesterday? Their second point is that Bills gave up 2015 number one draft pick, which they would need to draft a franchise QB in case EJ fails. But it's obvious that the Bills have a lot of talent, and even last year, with an oft injured rookie EJ at QB, they still managed to win 6 games. No matter how mediocre Bills QB is in 2014, it's extremely unlikely they would win less than 6. And that's gives you the 9th or 10th pick, and you are never getting a sure fire, franchise QB that late in the round. It just doesn't happen. Atlanta made a similiar move several years ago, trading way up to get Julio Jones. I NEVER hear criticism of that trade. If you are referring to the Bills Roundtable last Friday at 6pm, I heard that. Our very own John Wawrow was part of it. I was a bit surprised at how JW was letting the Bills brass have it over not having a vet QB at camp, as if having a vet QB now is ruined by the fact he wasn't here sooner. They went on to say how everything was a huge mess and how Orton likely won't be any good and even if Orton was any good that's bad news because the Bills would stubbornly not draft a QB in 2015 even though it's obvious to everyone on the panel they HAVE TO draft a QB in 2015 even without a 1st round pick, yadda, yadda. All the while you could tell Schopp had a boner. Edited October 6, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If you are referring to the Bills Roundtable last Friday at 6pm, I heard that. Our very own John Wawrow was part of it. I was a bit surprised at how JW was letting the Bills brass have it over not having a vet QB at camp, as if having a vet QB now is ruined by the fact he wasn't here sooner. They went on to say how everything was a huge mess and how Orton likely won't be any good and even if Orton was any good that's bad news because the Bills would stubbornly not draft a QB in 2015 even though it's obvious to everyone on the panel they HAVE TO draft a QB in 2015 even without a 1st round pick, yadda, yadda. All the while you could tell Schopp had a boner. How could you tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) If you are referring to the Bills Roundtable last Friday at 6pm, I heard that. Our very own John Wawrow was part of it. I was a bit surprised at how JW was letting the Bills brass have it over not having a vet QB at camp, as if having a vet QB now is ruined by the fact he wasn't here sooner. right. this is how most teams who haven't had a proven quarterback last more than three seasons as a starter handle their quarterback situation. you're right. the bills have been the model of success when it comes to making numerous decisions, and it has showed in their record and their ability to have continuity at the starting QB position. jw Edited October 9, 2014 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 right. this is how most teams who haven't had a proven quarterback last more than three seasons as a starter handle their quarterback situation. you're right. the bills have been the model of success when it comes to making numerous decisions, and it has showed in their record and their ability to have continuity at the starting QB position. jw Did Kyle Orton simply not want to come to TC? Hard to make someone sign a contract before they're ready. Or could they have brought him in earlier? Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Drafting Sammy Watkins for EJ Manuel is like buying a Ferrari for a toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 right. this is how most teams who haven't had a proven quarterback last more than three seasons as a starter handle their quarterback situation. you're right. the bills have been the model of success when it comes to making numerous decisions, and it has showed in their record and their ability to have continuity at the starting QB position. jw Well, John, you can argue about the style or the results. If Orton leads them to the playoffs the fact he missed training camp is moot. We have heard that KO was approached at the start of camp. Is this true? If so maybe he told them that he'll show up after camp? If that's the case that explains why they didn't want to bring anyone else in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I also disagree, signed Drew Brees. Don't forget: Andy Dalton Colin Kaepernick Nick Foles Tony Romo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Drafting Sammy Watkins for EJ Manuel is like buying a Ferrari for a toddler. Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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