truth on hold Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) i think his point of contention is that it didnt catapult him, but dragged him - so "threw him 50 yards" isnt accurate either way. that said, i still havent heard any report, besides people watching the video, contest that it was stewart that hit the gas. his purpose isnt certain, but so far it seems reliable that it was him. Personally I don't see the distinction as having any merit. He did say he got sucked underneath the tire, so he's acknowledging it was on the ground. Also the view of the area of greatest movement is blocked by ts' car, so maybe ward was airborne. Maybe "flung" would have been better word, but in any case that minor degree of articulation would not discredit him at all IMO Edited August 11, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Have you ever driven a sprint car??? The accelerator is just as much responsible for the steering of the car as the steering wheel is... I love how everyone says that TS accelerated as if it was malicious,... This is just another example of someone reading an article, or watching a video and assuming they know the whole story.... It's not just WEO.... Pretty much 3/4 of these comments are asinine.... I drive a sprint car every day to work of course. Look, Stewart clearly accelerated (those who say you can't tell if it is his car revving up are not credible viewers of that tape) while everyone else slowed down, under caution, and/or headed for the infield. Only Stewart, the guy Ward was directing his poorly conceived tirade at, hit him. When I was driving to work yesterday morning, I was surprised to hear Stewart was involved in a local track race--and then that a kid was killed by his car after he spun him out. Then when I saw the film, I immediately thought it was odd that his car speeded up instead of slowed down. Maybe there is some physics reason as to why he had to accelerate to avoid the kid on the track, and no one else had to do this. But I have said all along that it's conceivable that Stewart saw this kid show boating and figured he would send him an "F-you punk" close shave with his car. It's entirely consistent with his personality on the track. No one should believe he wanted to "murder" this dumb kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I drive a sprint car every day to work of course. Look, Stewart clearly accelerated (those who say you can't tell if it is his car revving up are not credible viewers of that tape) while everyone else slowed down, under caution, and/or headed for the infield. Only Stewart, the guy Ward was directing his poorly conceived tirade at, hit him. When I was driving to work yesterday morning, I was surprised to hear Stewart was involved in a local track race--and then that a kid was killed by his car after he spun him out. Then when I saw the film, I immediately thought it was odd that his car speeded up instead of slowed down. Maybe there is some physics reason as to why he had to accelerate to avoid the kid on the track, and no one else had to do this. But I have said all along that it's conceivable that Stewart saw this kid show boating and figured he would send him an "F-you punk" close shave with his car. It's entirely consistent with his personality on the track. No one should believe he wanted to "murder" this dumb kid. That I think is the moat plausible explanation: someone poked at him so he wanted to send a message of his own, but not try to kill him. Still there is no self defense claim, this opens to door to manslaughter/negligent homicide case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) The cab driver purposely ran over the cat? If so, I'm really glad you kicked his ass! So am I and yes he did. Lucky he was small hah! That I think is the moat plausible explanation: someone poked at him so he wanted to send a message of his own, but not try to kill him. Still there is no self defense claim, this opens to door to manslaughter/negligent homicide case Which is going to be really hard to prove if some DA thinks it is worth pursuing. Edited August 11, 2014 by bowery4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Have you ever driven a sprint car??? The accelerator is just as much responsible for the steering of the car as the steering wheel is... I love how everyone says that TS accelerated as if it was malicious,... This is just another example of someone reading an article, or watching a video and assuming they know the whole story.... It's not just WEO.... Pretty much 3/4 of these comments are asinine.... Agreed. A little research makes all this much clearer. Just watch a race in person and it will become quite a bit more understandable. Not to mention you might enjoy the intensity and competition. Edited August 11, 2014 by SmokinES3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Right. Some people think TS went out of his way to not avoid him. Even as far as to scare him a bit and intimidate him. I'm on the fence but Stewart's insatiable appetite for being angry has led people to a conclusion. Justifiably so or not. TS has been a bad dude with anger issues and confrontations his whole career. He lost the benefit of the doubt with his previous actions. I still don't think it will be a criminal case but Stewart has to live with his actions. For humanity's sake, I hope you are right. Which begs the question, is the good ol' boy network protecting TS? Why the hell is Stewart racing in these two bit events anyway? He has so much to lose and so little to gain. Is it ego, greed, or just some dumb hillbilly ****? Dumb hillbilly? Good 'ol boy network protecting him? Tony stewart has run the sprint circuit his whole life.In 2013 he almost lost his life in sprint car racing, or so I have been told. Your opinion appears to have zero knowledge Of what and why these guys race. But it does have inflammatory comments towards a sport you have no knowledge of. A two bit event? Really? Sounds like a hillbilly statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Dumb hillbilly? Good 'ol boy network protecting him? Tony stewart has run the sprint circuit his whole life. In 2013 he almost lost his life in sprint car racing, or so I have been told. Your opinion appears to have zero knowledge Of what and why these guys race. But it does have inflammatory comments towards a sport you have no knowledge of. A two bit event? Really? Sounds like a hillbilly statement. Didn't mean to ruffle a Nascar fans feathers but isn't Tony Stewart racing in these other races jeopardizing his career where he makes serious coin to provide for his family? Wouldn't that be like Mario Williams playing DE in a semi pro league on Saturdays? I should have been more respectful in my comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Didn't mean to ruffle a Nascar fans feathers but isn't Tony Stewart racing in these other races jeopardizing his career where he makes serious coin to provide for his family? Wouldn't that be like Mario Williams playing DE in a semi pro league on Saturdays? I should have been more respectful in my comments. I am a FI fan, but do watch some nascar. But really I think the word here is passion for something you love.And there are sports people entertainers, anyone, who when there passionate for what they do they do it at many levels. An example when he was in the NFL why would brett Favre throw to the local high school receivers offseason Why does Charlie Watts worth around 300 mil, play in a band that draws a couple hundred people. When He is Not touring with the rolling Stones? I Say passion for what they love. these drivers live on adrenaline. Sprint cars for him are just maybe a buzz and to stay sharp. Again he has Done that circuit for years. I think he would rather do that than sit on his couch before a Nascar race. if sprint had spotters or radios this most likely would not have happened. he would have got word a out of control kid Was on the track. I seriously doubt Stewart thought This kid would be waiting for him on a racetrack on his next lap. is he a hot head, angry jerk. yep, racing is Not for the faint of heart. Big egos are just part of the sport. IMO these guys do not flinch easily when in a Nascar race there closing in on 200MPH a few inches off the car in front. IMO that takes balls. BTW i think Tony Stewart is worth north of 70 mil so he can afford this. Putting his Life on the line in a sprint car race I don't think ever crosses these guys mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I drive a sprint car every day to work of course. Look, Stewart clearly accelerated (those who say you can't tell if it is his car revving up are not credible viewers of that tape) while everyone else slowed down, under caution, and/or headed for the infield. Only Stewart, the guy Ward was directing his poorly conceived tirade at, hit him. When I was driving to work yesterday morning, I was surprised to hear Stewart was involved in a local track race--and then that a kid was killed by his car after he spun him out. Then when I saw the film, I immediately thought it was odd that his car speeded up instead of slowed down. Maybe there is some physics reason as to why he had to accelerate to avoid the kid on the track, and no one else had to do this. But I have said all along that it's conceivable that Stewart saw this kid show boating and figured he would send him an "F-you punk" close shave with his car. It's entirely consistent with his personality on the track. No one should believe he wanted to "murder" this dumb kid. If Stewart was someone you liked, you know like Tom Brady or Bill Bellichick, would you be making excuses for him? We get that you don't like him, but: You admit you don't even know how the cars work but keep going back to the acceleration. You state everyone else was slowing down, but ignore that the guy was walking away from other cars and toward Stewart, meaning the other guys had less need to avoid him in a sudden knee jerk way. Stewart was not afforded this luxury. You state swerving a car at a guy walking is consistent with Stewart's actions on the track. Can you name one other time he has swerved his car at a guy on a track? I'm guessing other guys have gotten out of their car to yell at him at some point and Stewart has probably done that as well. You psychoanalyze Stewart and cast blame his direction based on biases you clearly had before Saturday. You are talking out of you @$$ as is Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I drive a sprint car every day to work of course. Look, Stewart clearly accelerated (those who say you can't tell if it is his car revving up are not credible viewers of that tape) while everyone else slowed down, under caution, and/or headed for the infield. Only Stewart, the guy Ward was directing his poorly conceived tirade at, hit him. When I was driving to work yesterday morning, I was surprised to hear Stewart was involved in a local track race--and then that a kid was killed by his car after he spun him out. Then when I saw the film, I immediately thought it was odd that his car speeded up instead of slowed down. Maybe there is some physics reason as to why he had to accelerate to avoid the kid on the track, and no one else had to do this. But I have said all along that it's conceivable that Stewart saw this kid show boating and figured he would send him an "F-you punk" close shave with his car. It's entirely consistent with his personality on the track. No one should believe he wanted to "murder" this dumb kid. Agreed... Sweet ride, btw!!! There is no argument that can be made- you are correct, the other drivers we able to slow down and take the inside, then he came through like he did... I have met TS... He's an !@#$- I would be surprised if he tried to flex his nuts a little bit... He actually almost ran me over in The garage area at Michigan.... Came hauling ass around a corner and spiked his brakes then threw his hands in the air like WTF are you doing???? The garage area was loaded with people, sure that's his place of work, but there was no reason for him to be driving that way around so many people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I drive a sprint car every day to work of course. Look, Stewart clearly accelerated (those who say you can't tell if it is his car revving up are not credible viewers of that tape) while everyone else slowed down, under caution, and/or headed for the infield. Only Stewart, the guy Ward was directing his poorly conceived tirade at, hit him. When I was driving to work yesterday morning, I was surprised to hear Stewart was involved in a local track race--and then that a kid was killed by his car after he spun him out. Then when I saw the film, I immediately thought it was odd that his car speeded up instead of slowed down. Maybe there is some physics reason as to why he had to accelerate to avoid the kid on the track, and no one else had to do this. But I have said all along that it's conceivable that Stewart saw this kid show boating and figured he would send him an "F-you punk" close shave with his car. It's entirely consistent with his personality on the track. No one should believe he wanted to "murder" this dumb kid. In other words, you don't know, but you're still completely willing to pretend you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2014/08/11/tony-stewart-threatened-to-run-over-driver-2-years-ago-following-wreck/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://tampa.cbsloca...ollowing-wreck/ Headline: Stewart threatens to run over driver. Actual story: Stewart threatens to not slow down next time Matt Kenseth cuts him off on the race track. Nice reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://tampa.cbsloca...ollowing-wreck/ Great headline. I'm sure it will garner many clicks, From the article: “I checked up twice not to run over him. And I learned my lesson there, and I’m going to run over him every chance I got until the end of the year. Every chance I got,” Stewart said following the August 2012 race, according to CBS News. Stewart meant he was going to try to take Kenseth out during a race, not actually run him over. Beyond stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Great headline. I'm sure it will garner many clicks, Definitely a misleading and sensationalistic headline to grab viewers attention, but that's just a small part of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Hey look you're so edgy and cool. Look at you! You're so cool! I hope I'm cool like you someday. Huh? I am not sure what you mean here? Like Buffaloed in PA said: "It is Tony Stewart being Tony Stewart." That's the main reason why he's where he is. He's edgy and cool. That's what one does on a race track, be edgy and cool. It just went all too horribly wrong when some other racer tries to confront him on foot. That's not cool, but stupid. Have you ever driven a sprint car??? The accelerator is just as much responsible for the steering of the car as the steering wheel is... I love how everyone says that TS accelerated as if it was malicious,... This is just another example of someone reading an article, or watching a video and assuming they know the whole story.... It's not just WEO.... Pretty much 3/4 of these comments are asinine.... This^^^ Right. Some people think TS went out of his way to not avoid him. Even as far as to scare him a bit and intimidate him. I'm on the fence but Stewart's insatiable appetite for being angry has led people to a conclusion. Justifiably so or not. TS has been a bad dude with anger issues and confrontations his whole career. He lost the benefit of the doubt with his previous actions. I still don't think it will be a criminal case but Stewart has to live with his actions. For humanity's sake, I hope you are right. Which begs the question, is the good ol' boy network protecting TS? Why the hell is Stewart racing in these two bit events anyway? He has so much to lose and so little to gain. Is it ego, greed, or just some dumb hillbilly ****? Fair enough Ink... Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Headline: Stewart threatens to run over driver. Actual story: Stewart threatens to not slow down next time Matt Kenseth cuts him off on the race track. Nice reporting. It's all about clicks and career advancement..... Some people just don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Only Stewart, the guy Ward was directing his poorly conceived tirade at, hit him. And there in is the reason he got hit @ all! Why are people failing to see this. The probability Ward was going to be hit by anybody else BUT Stewart was low. I would almost say non-existant. The probability that Stewart was going to make contact? Almost one! The reason? Ward's actions on the track. Ward was asking for a miracle NOT to have Stewart hit him accidently. Its like a manager in baseball going out to argue a call. Okay, not just A MANAGER arguing a call, but Earl Weaver! The probabilty that he is going to touch the ump is almost one! Even if the ump tries to lean away and they graze each other. @ least Weaver learned to turn his cap backwards being that it wasn't a life and death situation. Edited August 11, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Have you ever driven a sprint car??? The accelerator is just as much responsible for the steering of the car as the steering wheel is... I love how everyone says that TS accelerated as if it was malicious,... This is just another example of someone reading an article, or watching a video and assuming they know the whole story.... It's not just WEO.... Pretty much 3/4 of these comments are asinine.... There's a difference between having an opinion and discussing something on a message board and "assuming they know the whole story". And there's nothing asinine about the idea that a guy with a history of losing his temper and saying/doing stupid things likely isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt when something like this happens. Further, comments like "have you ever driven a sprint car?" are just straw man arguments. If people could only have opinions about things they've actually experienced first hand, you'd have a message board full of crickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 And there in is the reason he got hit @ all! Why are people failing to see this. The probability Ward was going to be hit by anybody else BUT Stewart was low. I would almost say non-existant. The probability that Stewart was going to make contact? Almost one! The reason? Ward's actions on the track. Ward was asking for a miracle NOT to have Stewart hit him accidently. Its like a manager in baseball going out to argue a call. Okay, not just A MANAGER arguing a call, but Earl Weaver! The probabilty that he is going to touch the ump is almost one! Even if the ump tries to lean away and they graze each other. @ least Weaver learned to turn his cap backwards being that it wasn't a life and death situation. dear lord.... from the angle we got, and with the camera following the car before -- its hard to say anything definitive on the topic. to say it was unavoidable based on what we have seems as crazy as to say it was obviously stewart being a jerk on purpose (and things getting out of hand). you seem to be the only one that doesnt see EVERYBODY agrees that the kid shouldnt have been running down the track. its not discussed because we all acknowledge its true. Thats not to say, however, that no matter what happened once he hopped out of the car is fair game.... that part is hazier from what is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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