Tuel demoted to third team

[Flip Johnson]

Easley fell down but that is not the point. If I was trying to lob an egg into a bucket without breaking it, I would throw it like Tuel did.

[Kelly the Dog]

Easley fell down but that is not the point. If I was trying to lob an egg into a bucket without breaking it, I would throw it like Tuel did.

It was an ill-conceived decision right from the start, a horrible lob, slightly overthrown, and right to a defensive player who at every single moment of the play was in better position to make the play on the ball, and easily intercepted. Other than that, it wasn't a bad toss.

[billsfan1959]

Thank God. Now I won't ever have to respond to a dumb post by you again that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

 

You do understand that your opinion is just that: an opinion . It carries no more weight than anyone else's opinion - no matter how aggressive and "matter of fact" you are in your posts....

[Kelly the Dog]

 

 

You do understand that your opinion is just that: an opinion . It carries no more weight than anyone else's opinion - no matter how aggressive and "matter of fact" you are in your posts....

Of course. I was posting about Tuel. The other poster started saying something stupid about oh EJ never throws a bad pass when we were not talking about anything EJ related. Each thread lately becomes a bash EJ thread. It could be about back up slot cbs and someone will invariably chime in that it won't matter who is the back up slot corner if EJ sucks.

 

I was just pointing out the stupidity of talking about EJ. He then said he was going to put me on ignore. I responded with great glee that I would in turn not have to hear another EJ sucks remark when I wasn't discussing EJ.

[billsfan1959]

 

Of course. I was posting about Tuel. The other poster started saying something stupid about oh EJ never throws a bad pass when we were not talking about anything EJ related. Each thread lately becomes a bash EJ thread. It could be about back up slot cbs and someone will invariably chime in that it won't matter who is the back up slot corner if EJ sucks.

 

I was just pointing out the stupidity of talking about EJ. He then said he was going to put me on ignore. I responded with great glee that I would in turn not have to hear another EJ sucks remark when I wasn't discussing EJ.

 

Got it...my mistake...and I won't disagree with you about every thread turning into an "EJ sucks" thread....

[Buffaloed in Pa]

Thanks 59er.

[Kelly the Dog]

Thanks 59er.

Did you see the "Got it... my mistake" part, too?

[starrymessenger]

I know he stumbled but before even going there the issue to me is whether Easley shortened the route.

On the other hand, either way To me JT had a rough nite. Off the top the only half way decent throw he made was maybe the back shoulder to TJ. And it prolly had nothing to do with having to play with the threes. The throws were just no good.

That Webb scrub was the best QB on the field.

[Orton's Arm]

Of course. I was posting about Tuel. The other poster started saying something stupid about oh EJ never throws a bad pass when we were not talking about anything EJ related. Each thread lately becomes a bash EJ thread. It could be about back up slot cbs and someone will invariably chime in that it won't matter who is the back up slot corner if EJ sucks.

 

I was just pointing out the stupidity of talking about EJ. He then said he was going to put me on ignore. I responded with great glee that I would in turn not have to hear another EJ sucks remark when I wasn't discussing EJ.

 

I appreciate the lucidity of your post. And the clarity of thought of your posts in general. You've obviously spent a lot of time watching football, thinking about football, and generally preparing yourself for the season.

 

Unfortunately, all that preparation will have been wasted if EJ stinks.

[JohnC]

 

 

I appreciate the lucidity of your post. And the clarity of thought of your posts in general. You've obviously spent a lot of time watching football, thinking about football, and generally preparing yourself for the season.

 

Unfortunately, all that preparation will have been wasted if EJ stinks.[/b]

 

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your approach toward the qb position. How do you expect to make a determination on a young qb's prospects unless he is given the time to demonstrate his abilities or lack there of? If you expect instant success than you are not being realisiic. Many people, including you and me, thought that based on Trent Edwards initial success that he would become this franchise's long term starter. It took more than one season to conclude that his mental and psychological makeup (risk aversion) would prevent him from being a success.

 

Even with Losman no one really knew in advance whether he was going to be a successful qb. It wasn't until he got enough playing time that a fair determination could be made about his prospects. My central point is simply: Let the prospect play and then make a determination. The "bandwith" factor is a consideratiion but it is not the most important evaluating "tool". How the qb performs and does he get better is the real determing factor. My sense with EJ is that he is not going to make quantum leaps forward but will steadily get better. That's fiine with me.

 

 

 

EJ Manuel was never going to be an instant success because he was simply too raw of a qb coming into the pro ranks. The key thing to keep in mind when judging EJ this year is whether he steadily gets better. If he does that then I consider him a worthy prospect (risk) to invest in. If not then you continue on looking for a better option. There are no guarantees and there is no other way of doing it.

 

You need to participate more. Your observations and contributions positively add to the discussions.

Edited August 12, 2014 by JohnC

[thewildrabbit]

Tuel is pretty awful. As is Thad. Neither inspire confidence to win games if called upon. With EJ being an unknown, I really wonder when (or if) the front office is going to bring in some competent backups. Maybe a vet who gets cut? They need some help.

I gotta believe this is all Hackett / Marrone and only the lord knows what they see in this kid to have kept him on the roster last year over Matt Flynn. No QB coach, no vet QB, and no senior assistant offensive coach last season was very puzzling to me.

 

Now this year they have a QB coach, senior offensive assistant coach along with veteran QB Dennis Dixon. Whaley did draft 3 O linemen, and signed another OG in free agency so he is doing his part to upgrade the offense.

 

 

Anyway, it is only preseason game two and the Bills still have 3 more preseason games to go. So lets hope those backups look better in the upcoming games.

[eball]

To my untrained eye -- which I probably don't give myself enough credit for, having watched this game for 35 years -- Thad is a gamer. He may look awful in practice at times and make some mistakes, but he has the ability to make plays in real games. He's a fine backup. Tuel, on the other hand, is just bad. I really don't know what the coaches think they can turn him into.

[NoSaint]

 

 

You do understand that your opinion is just that: an opinion . It carries no more weight than anyone else's opinion - no matter how aggressive and "matter of fact" you are in your posts....

 

 

that really was one of the stranger "im putting you on ignore" exchanges I have seen. Kelly brought out a reasoned analysis of a play that is (without reviewing the replay again) generally accurate and thought out -- another poster goes on an EJ rant, Kelly makes the point that it added nothing to the discussion of tuels throw, and the ranter goes off on kelly and puts him on ignore.....

 

 

 

To my untrained eye -- which I probably don't give myself enough credit for, having watched this game for 35 years -- Thad is a gamer. He may look awful in practice at times and make some mistakes, but he has the ability to make plays in real games. He's a fine backup. Tuel, on the other hand, is just bad. I really don't know what the coaches think they can turn him into.

 

its a tough league for "gamers" that arent elite. they have to compete for their jobs in practice where they are inconsistent, they dont bring a lot to something like the scout team monday through friday, and they dont get to show that intensity on sunday that might earn them a shot....

 

id venture that among thads better attributes is that he plays intense, and is resilient in game situations.... but that doesnt show well on a tuesday no pads walk through. thats not to say that i want him starting, but as a backup i think hes acceptable.

 

Edited August 12, 2014 by NoSaint

[eball]

its a tough league for "gamers" that arent elite. they have to compete for their jobs in practice where they are inconsistent, they dont bring a lot to something like the scout team monday through friday, and they dont get to show that intensity on sunday that might earn them a shot....

 

id venture that among thads better attributes is that he plays intense, and is resilient in game situations.... but that doesnt show well on a tuesday no pads walk through. thats not to say that i want him starting, but as a backup i think hes acceptable.

 

So...we agree.

[NoSaint]

 

 

So...we agree.

 

i chalk thad up as a guy i like at #2 but would upgrade if something better came along. not dire, or an immediate worry, but i imagine there will be chances to improve the spot. i dont particularly like tuel, but will acknowledge that he could develop into a #2.... i just dont see it yet.

 

to make another long story short, i think we generally agree. i was just giving some wandering thoughts on why thad may not show well in august and has a bit of an uphill battle potentially.

[Orton's Arm]

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your approach toward the qb position. How do you expect to make a determination on a young qb's prospects unless he is given the time to demonstrate his abilities or lack there of? If you expect instant success than you are not being realisiic. Many people, including you and me, thought that based on Trent Edwards initial success that he would become this franchise's long term starter. It took more than one season to conclude that his mental and psychological makeup (risk aversion) would prevent him from being a success.

 

Even with Losman no one really knew in advance whether he was going to be a successful qb. It wasn't until he got enough playing time that a fair determination could be made about his prospects. My central point is simply: Let the prospect play and then make a determination. The "bandwith" factor is a consideratiion but it is not the most important evaluating "tool". How the qb performs and does he get better is the real determing factor. My sense with EJ is that he is not going to make quantum leaps forward but will steadily get better. That's fiine with me.

 

 

 

EJ Manuel was never going to be an instant success because he was simply too raw of a qb coming into the pro ranks. The key thing to keep in mind when judging EJ this year is whether he steadily gets better. If he does that then I consider him a worthy prospect (risk) to invest in. If not then you continue on looking for a better option. There are no guarantees and there is no other way of doing it.

 

You need to participate more. Your observations and contributions positively add to the discussions.

 

> I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your approach toward the qb position.

 

Fair enough. But if you reread Kelly's post, and then my response, you'll see that I was joking around.

 

> Even with Losman no one really knew in advance whether he was going to be a successful qb.

 

This point, and several others you've raised, deserve discussion. But not in this thread, which should remain about Tuel.

 

> You need to participate more. Your observations and contributions positively add to the discussions.

 

Thank you. I enjoy reading your posts as well.

[reddogblitz]

To my untrained eye -- which I probably don't give myself enough credit for, having watched this game for 35 years -- Thad is a gamer. He may look awful in practice at times and make some mistakes, but he has the ability to make plays in real games. He's a fine backup. Tuel, on the other hand, is just bad. I really don't know what the coaches think they can turn him into.

 

My untrained eye, having watched this game for 44 years, tells me the same thing. Thad is a gamer. Give me the gamer over the guy who plays well in shorts all day long.

Edited August 12, 2014 by reddogblitz

[mrpunchy]

This team is hitching its wagon to EJ, whether you like it or not. Get on board or get off. Your call. Jeff Tuel will not sniff the field unless EJ is injured.

They may have done so but he doesn't have to like it nor get off of anything. Add me to the list of 'morons' who think Tuel will be better than EJ. I suspect we will see EJ hurt within a few games and Tuel will end up being the starter. I hope I'm wrong I really do.

[eball]

They may have done so but he doesn't have to like it nor get off of anything. Add me to the list of 'morons' who think Tuel will be better than EJ. I suspect we will see EJ hurt within a few games and Tuel will end up being the starter. I hope I'm wrong I really do.

 

You hit the trifecta -- predictions of EJ failure, EJ injury, and the ever-present "hope I'm wrong" disclaimer. Well done!

[Security]

PS player or college coach. He doesn't have NFL ability.