GG Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 13. The human shield thing is a flat out lie. Gaza is one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Hamas doesn't need to use anyone as shields. Even if they did, the shield doesn't kill them, the bombs do. If you want to fight a straight up fight and avoid civilian casualties quit your bombing and come in there on foot. You'll easily spot your enemies then. The civilians will hide and you could dismantle the tunnels and remove the rockets. And what exactly is IDF doing right now? PS - you may want to work on your friends a bit. Egypt and other Arab states, especially the Persian Gulf monarchies of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, are finding themselves allied with Israel in a common opposition to Iran, a rival regional power that has a history of funding and arming Hamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) And what exactly is IDF doing right now? PS - you may want to work on your friends a bit. What are they doing now? Bombing them? There is a ground offensive as well but that should be the only thing they do in a highly populated city. Do you think anyone wants to cross Israel? No one to speak up against them. They're afraid. Edited: The same can be said about Israel and their friends. There are 1000's of Jews that are against Israel for doing this. Edited July 31, 2014 by NoJustice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Do you think anyone wants to cross Israel? No one to speak up against them. They're afraid. What kind of mythical powers do you think Israel has? For someone who chastises others for being misinformed, you sure like to cling to internet fantasies. The first step to Palestinian self-determination is to stop being pawns in everyone else's chess game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 What are they doing now? Bombing them? There is a ground offensive as well but that should be the only thing they do in a highly populated city. Wrong. In war, it is far more important to protect your own soldiers. You don't expose them unnecessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 What kind of mythical powers do you think Israel has? For someone who chastises others for being misinformed, you sure like to cling to internet fantasies. The first step to Palestinian self-determination is to stop being pawns in everyone else's chess game. Mythical powers? Really? Wow. Ask the people of Gaza if those powers are mythical. Ask Egypt, Jordan and Syria if those powers are mythical. Wrong. In war, it is far more important to protect your own soldiers. You don't expose them unnecessarily. Yeah, war against civilians. No army, no navy, no military. It's like me fighting a baby. Would you sit back and say, "well it's a fight. Do what you gotta do?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Wrong. In war, it is far more important to protect your own soldiers. You don't expose them unnecessarily. Ywah well lying that hamas was responsible for kidnappings has 56 IDF dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yeah, war against civilians. No army, no navy, no military. It's like me fighting a baby. Would you sit back and say, "well it's a fight. Do what you gotta do?" Is the baby indiscriminately lobbing rockets at you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Mythical powers? Really? Wow. Ask the people of Gaza if those powers are mythical. Ask Egypt, Jordan and Syria if those powers are mythical. Yet plenty of people in and out of Israel have no problem calling Israel an apartheid genocidal regime yet people are afraid? http://http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4540644,00.html "This is genocide – the murder of entire families is genocide committed by Israel against the Palestinian people," he said at an emergency meeting of the Palestinian leadership in Ramallah. "What is happening is a war against the Palestinian people as a whole, and not against the (militant) factions," he has said. "We know that Israel is not defending itself, it is defending settlements, its main project," said Abbas. Ywah well lying that hamas was responsible for kidnappings has 56 IDF dead Originally the offensive was to counter the new long range missiles (40 KM to now almost 80) and then they discovered the tunnels. So yeah, stop repeating points that have been debunked. This isn't twitter where we repeat talking points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 That didn’t take long. Penelope Cruz Retracts Anti-Israel Comments . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 That didn’t take long. Penelope Cruz Retracts Anti-Israel Comments . Maybe she found out that Palestinians don't drink Nespresso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 See how much easier that is than demonstrating it repeatedly? Seriously how about this rabbi for you? RABBI HENRY SIEGMAN: My response is that they wouldn’t be firing those rockets if you weren’t out—if you didn’t have an occupation in place. And one of the reasons you say you do not have an occupation in place is because you really don’t have a united partner, Palestinian partner, to make peace with, and when Palestinians seek to establish that kind of a government, which they just recently did, bringing Hamas into the governmental structure, Palestinian governmental structure, that is headed by Abbas, you seek to destroy that. You won’t recognize it. And this is why I say there are several reasons for the Israeli action. A primary one is to prevent this new government from actually succeeding. It’s an attempt to break up the new unity government set up by the Palestinians. http://m.democracynow.org/stories/14542 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Seriously how about this rabbi for you? RABBI HENRY SIEGMAN: My response is that they wouldn't be firing those rockets if you weren't out—if you didn't have an occupation in place. And one of the reasons you say you do not have an occupation in place is because you really don't have a united partner, Palestinian partner, to make peace with, and when Palestinians seek to establish that kind of a government, which they just recently did, bringing Hamas into the governmental structure, Palestinian governmental structure, that is headed by Abbas, you seek to destroy that. You won't recognize it. And this is why I say there are several reasons for the Israeli action. A primary one is to prevent this new government from actually succeeding. It's an attempt to break up the new unity government set up by the Palestinians. http://m.democracyno...g/stories/14542 You and Bob in Mich should campaign together. Except that he's a fake poster and you, tragically, are real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Other 'articles' by Rabbi Seigman over the past few years, he IS consistent. Henry Siegman: ‘The end of Israel is near’ Posted on October 3, 2012 http://rehmat1.com/2...israel-is-near/ Israel Provoked This War It’s up to President Obama to stop it. July 22, 2014 http://www.politico....ml#.U9p9pDvD9ok Siegman Challenges Blind Support for Israel, Laments Loss of Values in Organized Jewish Life July-August 2002 http://www.acjna.org...ail.aspx?id=257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Mythical powers? Really? Wow. Ask the people of Gaza if those powers are mythical. Ask Egypt, Jordan and Syria if those powers are mythical. Yeah, war against civilians. No army, no navy, no military. It's like me fighting a baby. Would you sit back and say, "well it's a fight. Do what you gotta do?" I am Canadian. Suppose a political party in my country advocated the destruction of the United States. Suppose we elected that party and they continued to spew hate propaganda vs. the US and proceeded to launch rockets towards the US. Though those rockets are intercepted, the US retaliates, causing civilian casualties. I would submit we would get exactly what we deserved, as tragic as that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 I am Canadian. Suppose a political party in my country advocated the destruction of the United States. Suppose we elected that party and they continued to spew hate propaganda vs. the US and proceeded to launch rockets towards the US. Though those rockets are intercepted, the US retaliates, causing civilian casualties. I would submit we would get exactly what we deserved, as tragic as that may be. It depends. Did the US hit Canada first? Did the US suffocate Canada with a blockade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It depends. Did the US hit Canada first? Did the US suffocate Canada with a blockade? These questions are immaterial, because most civilized governments would calibrate their response to a more dominant military neighbor. Unless that government's goal is to intentionally increase its civilians' body count. (Which wouldn't make them a civilized government in the first place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I am Canadian. Suppose a political party in my country advocated the destruction of the United States. Suppose we elected that party and they continued to spew hate propaganda vs. the US and proceeded to launch rockets towards the US. Though those rockets are intercepted, the US retaliates, causing civilian casualties. I would submit we would get exactly what we deserved, as tragic as that may be. Was/is the United States taking disputed lands from Canada and building settlements on them? Are there large numbers of Canadians that were chased off their home lands from the United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 These questions are immaterial, because most civilized governments would calibrate their response to a more dominant military neighbor. Unless that government's goal is to intentionally increase its civilians' body count. (Which wouldn't make them a civilized government in the first place) They're most certainly not immaterial. I'll tell you what an increased body count gives Israel, though. Less peace, less security and more members of Hamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Was/is the United States taking disputed lands from Canada and building settlements on them? Are there large numbers of Canadians that were chased off their home lands from the United States? It depends. Did the US hit Canada first? Did the US suffocate Canada with a blockade? I won't dispute those claims (seeing as we've talked about them in circles and you both refuse to change your minds). So let's say this. Is the blockade and "land dispute" worth those civilians' lives? Is that what you're trying to say? The aggression of Hamas and all that comes with it is worth it? I remember a culture believing that the violence was worth it. They live on reservations now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Was/is the United States taking disputed lands from Canada and building settlements on them? Are there large numbers of Canadians that were chased off their home lands from the United States? Seriously this is getting ridiculous. Who in the H E double hockey sticks would ever want any Canadian land? Just go to the 7-11 and get some ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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