Azalin Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 and through this thread that idea seems to be regarded as wasteful idealism when in fact it's proven time and again to be practically necessary for progress to occur. it's absolutely necessary. except in rare cases, training and education are the foundation upon which new ideas and discoveries are built. I'm sure you're aware of the difference between 'book smarts' and 'street smarts', the former being education & academia, the latter being intuition and 'real world' experience. nobody here is saying that education isn't important or valid. the argument is that it takes more than a degree and an Ivy League professorship to be a true expert in something, because the education itself is only part of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I really don't know where this thread is at right now but my personal feeling is that it will take a couple megatons to fix the middle east once and for all. You have to convince these people that being murderous bloodthirsty savages will lead to their extinction. It worked with Japan and it would work again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 it's absolutely necessary. except in rare cases, training and education are the foundation upon which new ideas and discoveries are built. I'm sure you're aware of the difference between 'book smarts' and 'street smarts', He doesn't need either, he's got Youtube smarts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) it's absolutely necessary. except in rare cases, training and education are the foundation upon which new ideas and discoveries are built. I'm sure you're aware of the difference between 'book smarts' and 'street smarts', the former being education & academia, the latter being intuition and 'real world' experience. nobody here is saying that education isn't important or valid. the argument is that it takes more than a degree and an Ivy League professorship to be a true expert in something, because the education itself is only part of the equation. The whole attack on Chomsky as an academic was an evasive maneuver because the kooks are afraid of what he has to say. Note there was not a single attempt to refute any of Chomsky's points. If they're so bent on the exclusive view of practitioners why the ad naseum posts from Krauthammer who does nothing but sit in a Fox chair and blab out unqualified neocon opinions? Rule of thumb is that the more a source is attacked by the kooks the the more credible he/she is, and the more well argued and supported their position. Another video from Chomsky, watch the character assassins come out with a complete avoidance of his supported points. http://youtu.be/rI-dSeVhRvY Edited August 31, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Rule of thumb is that the more a source is attacked by the kooks the the more credible he/she is, and the more well argued and supported their position. THIS is why your posts aren't worth ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Rule of thumb is that the more a source is attacked by the kooks the the more credible he/she is, and the more well argued and supported their position. Wow is that dumb. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) The whole attack on Chomsky as an academic was an evasive maneuver because the kooks are afraid of what he has to say. Note there was not a single attempt to refute any of Chomsky's points. If they're so bent on the exclusive view of practitioners why the ad naseum posts from Krauthammer who does nothing but sit in a Fox chair and blab out unqualified neocon opinions? Rule of thumb is that the more a source is attacked by the kooks the the more credible he/she is, and the more well argued and supported their position. Another video from Chomsky, watch the character assassins come out with a complete avoidance of his supported points. http://youtu.be/rI-dSeVhRvY Only to the ignorant and weak minded. Edited August 31, 2014 by Luka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-proposes-taking-more-west-bank-land-for-jewish-settlers/2014/08/31/97260a8a-1bc7-4406-ba57-c6493dfdf865_story.html While no one is paying attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) http://www.washingto...f865_story.html While no one is paying attention... The Palestinians are just screwed, when they fight they get their asses kicked and the Israelis steal their land in big gulps when they try non-violence the Israelis poke them in their cage and nibble their land away- their Arab and Muslim brethren pay lip service to helping them but seem only to care about the propaganda the situation can generate- the U.N. and international law is a joke and is only enforced on the weak. SOS Edited September 3, 2014 by ....lybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) SOS In response to Israeli announcement of 1,000 acre illegal settlement expansion the US sanctioned Iran ... lol U.S. sets new sanctions on Iran http://www.politico....ons-110445.html Edited September 3, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 http://youtu.be/rI-dSeVhRvY Why is Barbara Bush in Boston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Why is Barbara Bush in Boston? the latest from Babs ... Ceasefires in Which Violations Never Cease What’s Next for Israel, Hamas, and Gaza? On August 26th, Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA) both accepted a ceasefire agreement after a 50-day Israeli assault on Gaza that left 2,100 Palestinians dead and vast landscapes of destruction behind. The agreement calls for an end to military action by both Israel and Hamas, as well as an easing of the Israeli siege that has strangled Gaza for many years. This is, however, just the most recent of a series of ceasefire agreements reached after each of Israel's periodic escalations of its unremitting assault on Gaza. Throughout this period, the terms of these agreements remain essentially the same. The regular pattern is for Israel, then, to disregard whatever agreement is in place, while Hamas observes it -- as Israel has officially recognized -- until a sharp increase in Israeli violence elicits a Hamas response, followed by even fiercer brutality. These escalations, which amount to shooting fish in a pond, are called "mowing the lawn" in Israeli parlance. The most recent was more accurately described as "removing the topsoil" by a senior U.S. military officer, appalled by the practices of the self-described "most moral army in the world." Read the rest of this article: http://www.tomdispat...ceasefire/#more Edited September 10, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 the latest from Babs ... Ceasefires in Which Violations Never Cease What’s Next for Israel, Hamas, and Gaza? On August 26th, Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA) both accepted a ceasefire agreement after a 50-day Israeli assault on Gaza that left 2,100 Palestinians dead and vast landscapes of destruction behind. The agreement calls for an end to military action by both Israel and Hamas, as well as an easing of the Israeli siege that has strangled Gaza for many years. This is, however, just the most recent of a series of ceasefire agreements reached after each of Israel's periodic escalations of its unremitting assault on Gaza. Throughout this period, the terms of these agreements remain essentially the same. The regular pattern is for Israel, then, to disregard whatever agreement is in place, while Hamas observes it -- as Israel has officially recognized -- until a sharp increase in Israeli violence elicits a Hamas response, followed by even fiercer brutality. These escalations, which amount to shooting fish in a pond, are called "mowing the lawn" in Israeli parlance. The most recent was more accurately described as "removing the topsoil" by a senior U.S. military officer, appalled by the practices of the self-described "most moral army in the world." Read the rest of this article: http://www.tomdispat...ceasefire/#more What are you getting offended about here? Crass jargon or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) more trouble in paradise ... Veterans of Elite Israeli Unit Refuse Reserve Duty, Citing Treatment of Palestinians JERUSALM - Denouncing Israel's treatment of Palestinians under occupation, a group of veterans from an elite, secret military intelligence unit have declared they will no longer "take part in the state's actions against Palestinians" in required reserve duty because of what they called "our moral duty to act." http://www.nytimes.c...r,{"2":"RI:12"} Israeli intelligence veterans refuse to serve in Palestinian territories They allege that the “all-encompassing” intelligence the unit gathers on Palestinians – much of it concerning innocent people – is used for “political persecution” and to create divisions in Palestinian society. The largest intelligence unit in the Israeli military, Unit 8200 intercepts electronic communications including email, phone calls and social media in addition to targeting military and diplomatic traffic. The signatories say, however, that a large part of their work was unrelated to Israel’s security or defence, but appeared designed to perpetuate the occupation by “infiltrating” and “controlling” all aspects of Palestinian life. Written in uncompromising language the letter states: “We, veterans of Unit 8200, reserve soldiers both past and present, declare that we refuse to take part in actions against Palestinians and refuse to continue serving as tools in deepening the military control over the Occupied Territories.” They add: “The Palestinian population under military rule is completely exposed to espionage and surveillance by Israeli intelligence. It is used for political persecution and to create divisions within Palestinian society by recruiting collaborators and driving parts of Palestinian society against itself. In many cases, intelligence prevents defendants from receiving a fair trial in military courts, as the evidence against them is not revealed.” http://www.theguardi...ian-territories Edited September 14, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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