Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Clowney had a good pro day, but the cost of trading up would be far too great to justify. From everything I've read, it would take this years 1st and 2nd and next years 1st PLUS another pick next year to move to #1. For what? Buffalo was #2 in QB sacks last season. Quarterback pressure is not what's missing from the defense, but linebackers that can stop the run. They were gashed last year on the ground. Everything I'm seeing and reading about Clowney is that although he's the best athlete in the draft, that he's not the best football player. He has motivation issues to boot. That does not sound to me to be worthy of firsts and a second. You should copy this post, put it in your sig, and then revisit your prediction in 3-4 years. I would guess that you are way off base here. Not bashing your opinion...I just think Clowney is going to be absolutely dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 You should copy this post, put it in your sig, and then revisit your prediction in 3-4 years. I would guess that you are way off base here. Not bashing your opinion...I just think Clowney is going to be absolutely dominant. I don't think what you're reading into my post is accurate. I'm saying that the Bills pass rush was good enough last year that they don't NEED an updgrade at the cost it would take to make that upgrade. At the end of the day, they're not one DE away from a Superbowl, such that they can ignore all the other positions of need. Do I think Clowney will be good? Sure. I just remember all the same hype about Dareus too and how all of his measurables were better than Suh's were when he came out of school. There was an ESPN special just for him. There are extenuating circumstances of course with Dareus, but the observation stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 watching his pro day now.....best player in the draft....guy is a freak the next bruce smith. I would easily give up this years 2nd and next years 1st to swap picks with Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 the next bruce smith. I would easily give up this years 2nd and next years 1st to swap picks with Houston. The next all-time sack leader, and arguably the greatest defensive end ever? I think you're setting the bar unreasonably high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The next all-time sack leader, and arguably the greatest defensive end ever? I think you're setting the bar unreasonably high. I held back a little....I was gonna say better [laffin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Remember what we gave up for Bennett. Was that worth it? Clowney has been the best player in America till this year when he was triple teamed and trying to stay healthy so we could draft him. He can hang with Gilmour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Remember what we gave up for Bennett. Was that worth it? Clowney has been the best player in America till this year when he was triple teamed and trying to stay healthy so we could draft him. He can hang with Gilmour. I had to go back and look to remember exactly. Rams got 3 first and 3 seconds for Dickerson (plus Greg Bell). Half those picks (2 firsts and a second) came from the Bills. What a blockbuster. Always hard to evaluate when you don't know who you would have taken with those picks but I'd say it was worth it for the Bills. Colts? Not so much, Dickerson only had two more big years before the miles caught up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Remember what we gave up for Bennett. Was that worth it? Clowney has been the best player in America till this year when he was triple teamed and trying to stay healthy so we could draft him. He can hang with Gilmour. Agreed. I'd gladly give up what we gave for Bennett if they are as sold on Clowney as we were on Bennett. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I don't think what you're reading into my post is accurate. I'm saying that the Bills pass rush was good enough last year that they don't NEED an updgrade at the cost it would take to make that upgrade. At the end of the day, they're not one DE away from a Superbowl, such that they can ignore all the other positions of need. Do I think Clowney will be good? Sure. I just remember all the same hype about Dareus too and how all of his measurables were better than Suh's were when he came out of school. There was an ESPN special just for him. There are extenuating circumstances of course with Dareus, but the observation stands. The Bills aren't one WR, TE, or OT away from the Super Bowl either. I'm not buying the Clowney/Dareus comparisons, as I truly believe Clowney to be a once in a generation pass rusher. A bit premature, but I see him up there with guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith from a pure talent standpoint. That said, I wouldn't be in favor of giving up two 1st round picks plus additional picks to get Clowney. He is that good IMO, but Buffalo has so many holes to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The Bills aren't one WR, TE, or OT away from the Super Bowl either. I'm not buying the Clowney/Dareus comparisons, as I truly believe Clowney to be a once in a generation pass rusher. A bit premature, but I see him up there with guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith from a pure talent standpoint. That said, I wouldn't be in favor of giving up two 1st round picks plus additional picks to get Clowney. He is that good IMO, but Buffalo has so many holes to fill. I cant say Bills should give up any picks this year . Getting closer though .Now if J C dropped.... i dont know how we could say no . We couldn't and its going to be tough for any team above us to say no. Bet Atlanta gets him somehow if Houston doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I don't think what you're reading into my post is accurate. I'm saying that the Bills pass rush was good enough last year that they don't NEED an updgrade at the cost it would take to make that upgrade. At the end of the day, they're not one DE away from a Superbowl, such that they can ignore all the other positions of need. Do I think Clowney will be good? Sure. I just remember all the same hype about Dareus too and how all of his measurables were better than Suh's were when he came out of school. There was an ESPN special just for him. There are extenuating circumstances of course with Dareus, but the observation stands. We lost Pettine, so we're basically starting over... I'm not happy about that, but hey, it is what it is. Jury is still out on the new guy. After what he did with Suh and Fairley in DET, The Schwartz is gonna have to prove his worth to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) Something something poor work ethic something something our D had lots of sacks last year something something fake injuries and speeding tickets. The next 20 replies, summed up. Poor work ethic? Bruce Smith. Lots of sacks? Jerry Hughes in the last year of his contract. Mario is due $20 mill next year. Fake injuries? Mario Williams and Jairus Byrd. Speeding tickets? You have got to be kidding me, right? That's the biggest joke I have ever heard...just another person who doesn't want football players on his favorite team, he wants the guys from his church's choir. Kiko had worse than speeding tickets, he turned out fine. Mario did too, if I recall correctly. Edited April 3, 2014 by Bob Malooga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Remember what we gave up for Bennett. Was that worth it? Clowney has been the best player in America till this year when he was triple teamed and trying to stay healthy so we could draft him. He can hang with Gilmour. It was absolutely worth it for Bennett. The Bills aren't one WR, TE, or OT away from the Super Bowl either. I'm not buying the Clowney/Dareus comparisons, as I truly believe Clowney to be a once in a generation pass rusher. A bit premature, but I see him up there with guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith from a pure talent standpoint. That said, I wouldn't be in favor of giving up two 1st round picks plus additional picks to get Clowney. He is that good IMO, but Buffalo has so many holes to fill. Similar things were said about Julius Peppers, and I suspect he'll end up in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Houston has an interesting problem......they play a 3-4. clowney is better suited to a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 It was absolutely worth it for Bennett. Similar things were said about Julius Peppers, and I suspect he'll end up in the HOF. Peppers is a really good player for sure, but was he ever really dominant? If Peppers had more of a motor, he'd be an all timer. Also, Peppers had 9.5 sacks and 3 INTs his last year in college and he had just as much attention as JC. JC had 3 sacks last year. He's a physical freak but his motor would scare me a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) Houston has an interesting problem......they play a 3-4. clowney is better suited to a 4-3. I just heard on WGR this morning that they were talking about him playing OLB there? He can drop back in coverage. Edited April 3, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Jadeveon Clowney is the best player in the 2014 NFL Draft. That's it. Story over. Texans owner Bob McNair should call Commissioner Roger Goodell right now and tell him the pick is in. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000339178/article/jadeveon-clowney-must-go-no-1-to-houston-texans-in-nfl-draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Jadeveon Clowney is the best player in the 2014 NFL Draft. That's it. Story over. Texans owner Bob McNair should call Commissioner Roger Goodell right now and tell him the pick is in. http://www.nfl.com/d...ns-in-nfl-draft I remember drafts where the #1 pick would already be signed prior to the draft. Jake Long comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 (edited) Peppers is a really good player for sure, but was he ever really dominant? If Peppers had more of a motor, he'd be an all timer. Also, Peppers had 9.5 sacks and 3 INTs his last year in college and he had just as much attention as JC. JC had 3 sacks last year. He's a physical freak but his motor would scare me a bit. Yes, Peppers has been dominant. Look at his AV (a measure I trust because i trust baseball-reference.com and pro-football-reference.com)--which is PFR's kind-of equivalent to WAR--in 2006, 2010, and 2012. Anything above 15 is an elite season. He's had a great career. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeppJu99.htm Edited April 6, 2014 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Luke Easterling @NFLDraftReport 16m Agreeing w/@Cianaf, Clowney ending private workouts could be a sign that the #Texans have told him he'll be the top pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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