Jerry Hughes...trade? keep?

[Doc]

hughes isnt far off some of the small speed ends that schwartz has used... if anything hes probably closer to the schwartz prototype than mario - especially in a role player situation as he was this year, he could be very effective, he just might not be able to be a 4 down guy.

This. Hughes got 10 sacks as essentially a "wide 9" DE. Schwartz will want to keep that. And he'll probably play Mario at a traditional DE spot. Although I think a lot will depend on the situation.

[3rdand12]

You must be kidding of course OP !!

The Kid feels he has been given a chance by Buffalo and played his ass off.

 

KEEP HIM. maybe extend him now if the deal is right.

He is used as a pass specialist . That does not mean he cant seal and edge. He is very young considering reps. Lock him up now.

Schwartz will be gone next season or two. dont get too hung up on his wide nine : ).

Lets ask Pepper what he thinks . Shall we ?

 

Can we just give Jim Schwartz the benefit of the doubt that he can figure out a way to use a guy that racked up 10 sacks? It might not fit with the scheme Schwartz has typically run, but to me it's a mark of a great coach that can adapt to current situations rather than slavishly following his past trends.

There is nothing to suggest that Shwaatz is not flexible. nothing tangible.

 

Is this true ? I thought the Bills tried to resign Carrington before the season. I hadn't heard they tried after he was injured and failed ?

It was. before.

 

Me too, but if what we've read is to be believed Schwartz hasn't adapted in the past.

?

 

Pettine's defenses also made Maybin look like a sackmaster.

 

I say ship him out quickly....4 sacks and terrible run defense is his future I think.

Dont think then

: )

[boyst]

All day I checked in with this thread and thought about it. Now that I am late to the show, here are my simple thoughts.

 

1) He is not a starter

2) He had 10 sacks, doubling his entire careers # (5 in 3 seasons)

3) He is young, 25 years old

4) He is approaching FA status.

 

Being that he is not a starter, had one successful season and approaching a contract year I am willing to trade him for a 3rd conditional pick. That is to say, if he gets XYZ stats he becomes a 2nd, or we get an additional pick. I would not openly shop him, at least not yet. If by the trade deadline he is not being productive in the system then trading him is ideal.

 

But, right now if I am the Bills FO I am on the phone with his agent and telling them that we are ready to make him a long term offer if he comes in to 2014 and performs. That we are willing to do this as early as Week 6.

 

Of course, I want Hughes here. I also want to replace Schwartz as DC. I know how to use this D.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

http://espn.go.com/b...ive-front-seven Here's someone else's take on Jerry Hughes, Lawson, Bradham, etc. It appears that everyone assumes Schwartz will be using the "wide 9" but I wouldn't be surprised if he tweaks it a bit to fit the players we have (like Pettine did).

The sign of a good coach, if he is one.

[ganesh]

I would keep Hughes and pretty much only play him at DE on passing downs. He can still probably produce more than the player you'd get in return for him.

+1. Teams carry 20 Defensive players on game day....Which means they are rotating in/out at least 5-6 players in the game. Why couldn't Hughes be part of that rotation.

[FireChan]

All day I checked in with this thread and thought about it. Now that I am late to the show, here are my simple thoughts.

 

1) He is not a starter

2) He had 10 sacks, doubling his entire careers # (5 in 3 seasons)

3) He is young, 25 years old

4) He is approaching FA status.

 

Being that he is not a starter, had one successful season and approaching a contract year I am willing to trade him for a 3rd conditional pick. That is to say, if he gets XYZ stats he becomes a 2nd, or we get an additional pick. I would not openly shop him, at least not yet. If by the trade deadline he is not being productive in the system then trading him is ideal.

 

But, right now if I am the Bills FO I am on the phone with his agent and telling them that we are ready to make him a long term offer if he comes in to 2014 and performs. That we are willing to do this as early as Week 6.

 

Of course, I want Hughes here. I also want to replace Schwartz as DC. I know how to use this D.

 

What if he doesn't perform well and then no one wants him? One good season after being a bust and then goes back to sucking? I'm sure teams wanna trade the next potential Keenan Allen or TY Hilton for a guy like that.

[Beerball]

+1. Teams carry 20 Defensive players on game day....Which means they are rotating in/out at least 5-6 players in the game. Why couldn't Hughes be part of that rotation.

He certainly could (rotate in). That isn't the question. "Is Jerry Hughes worth more to the Bills or someone else?" is the question.

 

It could be that he shines in OTA's and is an integral part of the defense in 2014, or a scheme change could put him back to where he was with Indy (non-factor).

[boyst]

What if he doesn't perform well and then no one wants him? One good season after being a bust and then goes back to sucking? I'm sure teams wanna trade the next potential Keenan Allen or TY Hilton for a guy like that.

that's the nature of the beast.

 

Petrine would probably be curious about him. Or just flat out let him go, release him

[Doc]

What you do with Hughes is see how he performs in Schwartz' defense and then if he does well, approach him about an extension. If he sucks, let him go at the end of the season. What you don't do is cut him before you see what he can do.

 

And Scwhartz may very well see him as a starter. As NoSaint said, he's virtually the prototype of the DE Schwartz likes to use in the wide 9, and often times rushed from that position, albeit it standing up.

[Turbosrrgood]

Is this true ? I thought the Bills tried to resign Carrington before the season. I hadn't heard they tried after he was injured and failed ?

 

Yes it's true. The Bills tried to sign Carrington in October, but failed. They immediately thereafter extended branch. Sure they could still reach an agreement with Carrington, but it seems far less likely now.

 

Interesting to note, they supposedly made multiple offers to Carrington. This seems to indicate a serious offer to resign him, not just a quick shot at signing him on the cheap.

 

http://www.buffaloru...ton-jairus-byrd

Edited February 7, 2014 by Turbosrrgood

[NoSaint]

What you do with Hughes is see how he performs in Schwartz' defense and then if he does well, approach him about an extension. If he sucks, let him go at the end of the season. What you don't do is cut him before you see what he can do.

 

And Scwhartz may very well see him as a starter. As NoSaint said, he's virtually the prototype of the DE Schwartz likes to use in the wide 9, and often times rushed from that position, albeit it standing up.

 

and at the end of the season if he leaves, he counts in our comp pick formula too - which is a nice perk

 

really the only knock is hes a little light to be a 3 down DE, but he wasnt a 3 down player last year either. like you said, hed be playing nearly the same role potentially and ideally would be a good player to help bridge the gap even if he doesnt work out as well as he did last year.

[Turbosrrgood]

What you do with Hughes is see how he performs in Schwartz' defense and then if he does well, approach him about an extension. If he sucks, let him go at the end of the season. What you don't do is cut him before you see what he can do.

 

And Scwhartz may very well see him as a starter. As NoSaint said, he's virtually the prototype of the DE Schwartz likes to use in the wide 9, and often times rushed from that position, albeit it standing up.

 

I generally agree, except I certainly don't think anyone is talking about cutting him.

[TXBILLSFAN]

Still scratching my head on the number of posters that want to get rid of a guy who had over 10 sacks ?? On a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years and is stuck on 5 or 6 wins for the past decade. We need playmakers and Hughes is an explosive pass rushing end who is in his young 20's. DO NOT TRADE HIM. EXTEND HIM. He is not a one-hit wonder.

[Doc]

Yes it's true. The Bills tried to sign Carrington in October, but failed. They immediately thereafter extended branch. Sure they could still reach an agreement with Carrington, but it seems far less likely now.

 

Interesting to note, they supposedly made multiple offers to Carrington. This seems to indicate a serious offer to resign him, not just a quick shot at signing him on the cheap.

 

http://www.buffaloru...ton-jairus-byrd

Interesting. I thought they only tried pre-injury. Although it would make sense to make an offer post-injury to see if they could get him cheap.

 

Consider him gone.

I generally agree, except I certainly don't think anyone is talking about cutting him.

That was in response to jboyst's "Or just flat out let him go, release him." statement

[FireChan]

 

Interesting. I thought they only tried pre-injury. Although it would make sense to make an offer post-injury to see if they could get him cheap.

 

Consider him gone.

 

That was in response to jboyst's "Or just flat out let him go, release him." statement

 

Jboyst said we should do that if he's horrible next year and no one wants him.

[Beerball]

Still scratching my head on the number of posters that want to get rid of a guy who had over 10 sacks ?? On a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years and is stuck on 5 or 6 wins for the past decade. We need playmakers and Hughes is an explosive pass rushing end who is in his young 20's. DO NOT TRADE HIM. EXTEND HIM. He is not a one-hit wonder.

You seem certain. Why count one season more than his two prior ones?

[RyanC883]

The more that I think about it the more I am leaning towards a deal (if you get value).

 

-The best case scenario is that he produces another double digit sack season and becomes too expensive to keep. The Bills could tag him I suppose but I doubt that they tie the kind of money up necessary to keep Hughes with Mario on the books. So you have 1 more productive year and then he walks.

 

-The worst case scenario is that he reverts back to a pass rushing specialist that produces about 5 sacks and you missed your opportunity to maximize his value.

 

If Schwartz adapts his scheme to his personnel it is a different story. You hear a lot of coaches talk about doing that but I feel like you rarely see them actually do it.

 

I'm coming around to your thinking. I think in the 3rd round we could get a strong 3+ year starter with an additional pick, and we won't be able to afford him after this year if he does well. If he does not, we missed out on maximizing his value. I'd like someone like Bullock in the 3rd. The draft is deep at LB and WR, and we should get as many young guys as we can. I'd see the Steelers perhaps as a trading partner. their D needs help all over.

[Doc]

Jboyst said we should do that if he's horrible next year and no one wants him.

I guess, but he'd be an UFA anyway.

[Turbosrrgood]

Still scratching my head on the number of posters that want to get rid of a guy who had over 10 sacks ?? On a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years and is stuck on 5 or 6 wins for the past decade. We need playmakers and Hughes is an explosive pass rushing end who is in his young 20's. DO NOT TRADE HIM. EXTEND HIM. He is not a one-hit wonder.

 

I don't think the Bills would or should (simply due to lack of value) trade him...However how can you say he's not a one-hit wonder as if it's fact? In his first 3 years of his career he had a total of 5 sacks...So his one year under Pettine (who is no longer here) is the norm, and the first 3 years are the oddities?

 

I think for many people that is the real question...Was it just one great year because of a system that utilized him heavily? Or has he truly developed into a real pass rushing talent? It's all opinion at this time.

[TXBILLSFAN]

You seem certain. Why count one season more than his two prior ones?

I'm certain how well he played last year. That's enough for me to KEEP HIM (i.e. don't trade him). If you were planning on extending him you would do more due diligence on attitude and film study (last year vs. two previous at Indy). The guy was a 1st round pick (by Polian) so, we know he has raw talent. Based on what I saw of him while he was in college at TCU, he dominated as pass rusher, much in same way he did with Bills last season. So, you could factor in his college years and call the Indy time the exception. I'm really puzzled at the thought process that would lead to a trade except if the Bills hear he wants $10M+ per year and they want to get value ahead of free agency, otherwise, I want to keep guys that can play.