Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I even miscounted fumbles!! Settles defense out scored Denver's offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Manning is done so is Brady their time is over. It is a new NFL, you need mobile athletic QBs. They may keep their teams competitive but neither one will win another super bowl. Mark my words. I'm marking them. I mean, I'm marking them as Manning comes off the greatest season a QB ever had. To be a good QB, you have to be a good QB. Some are mobile. Some are not. It's not as simple as they all need to be mobile--the league is riddled with mobile crappy QBs. The Bills have had their share of these guys: Flutie, RJ, Fitz. All were mobile. None were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 When the #1 offense makes the superbowl, they have an 8-8 record. When the #1 defense makes the Super bowl, they have a 12-3 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 "...Flutie.... None were good." Now you did it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 When the #1 offense makes the superbowl, they have an 8-8 record. When the #1 defense makes the Super bowl, they have a 12-3 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Seahawks GM. Proud and wearing the belt! Built a monster defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) When the #1 offense makes the superbowl, they have an 8-8 record. When the #1 defense makes the Super bowl, they have a 12-3 record. That also shows that the #1 offense GETS to the Super Bowl more often. I think the nature of that ONE GAME favors the defensive teams. As was discussed earlier, it's easier to play amped up, emotional defense, than run a precision offense in the conditions present during the Super Bowl. I think the best way to get there and win, is to be damn good on both sides of the ball. Edited February 3, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 As you said, they are a complete team. They will be in contention until the price tags of their players pushes them to make tough decisions. They won't be able to keep everybody but fortunately for them they have a good sized window and won't have to make too many of those decisions for a few years. They could do what the Pats did & trade off players as they get older & more expensive for picks they can use on fresh affordable talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Those words would be much bolder if these QBs weren't going to be 38 & 37 next year. Care to make another prediction Nostradamus? there are many who predicted their downfalls for well over 5 years now.. I'm still waiting for it to happen. Edited February 3, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/features/freakonomics/episode-15 This has been researched and debunked as I said earlier. I doubt seeing the evidence will change the opinion of those who cling to clichés. This argument is very similar to those who believe baseball is 75% or 90% pitching. It is wrong whether or not you believe the evidence. May I point out that if Seattle's offense had played poorly yesterday, or all year for that matter, the outcome would be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 That defense was one of the most impressive things I have seen. God damn. Yup. Totally prepared. I was really impressed with the way their safeties would peel off a Denver receiver running a deep post to come up on the receiver trying to take advantage of the soft spots underneath. They saw the routes before they developed and ended up having tight over and under coverage on the places where TE's or Welker normally flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hmmm. Top defense and top running game against the most pass happy dominant offense in the history of the league and the biggest game in the biggest stage was one of the biggest blowouts in Super Bowl history. This is a pretty sill statement as a view on how to win in the modern day NFL. One game, and now the whole landscape has suddenly changed again? Nothing changes the fact that this is still without a doubt a quarterback driven league. The rules alone make that indisputable. Anyone who says "Defense wins championships" or "Offense wins championships" is foolish. Teams with a marginal offense and great D can win (see Baltimore) and Teams with a great Offense and marginal D can win (see many examples last 20 years). There is no perfect formula. That being said, todays rules definitely favor the offense and the ability to get to and win the SB. Does it mean every year the better offense will win...of course not, thats ridiculous. Teams still have to play the games. It also does not mean the best defense will always win. If it was all about only the D, then Seattle would have been undefeated this year. And don't under estimate coaching as a factor in this game. John Fox and his staff had no answer for anything Seattle did. Seattle played a perfect game in all facets. Its was a masterpiece and I don't think Pete and his staff are getting enough credit. PS: I think Buffalo is on its way to being a team build similar to Seattle. Biggest difference right now though is how PHYSICAL that team plays on both sides of the ball, but especially the defense. I hope Schwartz brings some of that nasty to our guys and we add a couple physical playmakers on both sides of the ball in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/f...mics/episode-15 This has been researched and debunked as I said earlier. I doubt seeing the evidence will change the opinion of those who cling to clichés. This argument is very similar to those who believe baseball is 75% or 90% pitching. It is wrong whether or not you believe the evidence. May I point out that if Seattle's offense had played poorly yesterday, or all year for that matter, the outcome would be very different. That lays it out pretty well. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 This is a pretty sill statement as a view on how to win in the modern day NFL. One game, and now the whole landscape has suddenly changed again? Nothing changes the fact that this is still without a doubt a quarterback driven league. The rules alone make that indisputable. Anyone who says "Defense wins championships" or "Offense wins championships" is foolish. Teams with a marginal offense and great D can win (see Baltimore) and Teams with a great Offense and marginal D can win (see many examples last 20 years). There is no perfect formula. That being said, todays rules definitely favor the offense and the ability to get to and win the SB. Does it mean every year the better offense will win...of course not, thats ridiculous. Teams still have to play the games. It also does not mean the best defense will always win. If it was all about only the D, then Seattle would have been undefeated this year. And don't under estimate coaching as a factor in this game. John Fox and his staff had no answer for anything Seattle did. Seattle played a perfect game in all facets. Its was a masterpiece and I don't think Pete and his staff are getting enough credit. PS: I think Buffalo is on its way to being a team build similar to Seattle. Biggest difference right now though is how PHYSICAL that team plays on both sides of the ball, but especially the defense. I hope Schwartz brings some of that nasty to our guys and we add a couple physical playmakers on both sides of the ball in the draft. Excellent Post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Seahawks # 5 rushing team and # 10 passing It was not Defense alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 good teams win championships, regardless of which side of the ball that "good" comes on. putting a touchdown on the board has the same effect on the score differential as keeping a touchdown off the board. what seems more likely to me is that a few years ago, the league got a little offense-obsessed and began to overvalue offensive players and, as a byproduct, undervalue defensive players. the seahawks f.o. saw this and capitalized on it by putting together a defense that was stronger than the offense they could have put together for the same amount of money/draft-picks. that being said, most of their success is a result of the fact that they have done an incredible job scouting tallent and finding 'diamonds in the rough' over the last few years. in a just world, john schneider, the seahawks gm would have won mvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Seattle is stacked at every single position, including the coaching staff and front office. Where is their weakness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 good teams win championships, regardless of which side of the ball that "good" comes on. putting a touchdown on the board has the same effect on the score differential as keeping a touchdown off the board. what seems more likely to me is that a few years ago, the league got a little offense-obsessed and began to overvalue offensive players and, as a byproduct, undervalue defensive players. the seahawks f.o. saw this and capitalized on it by putting together a defense that was stronger than the offense they could have put together for the same amount of money/draft-picks. that being said, most of their success is a result of the fact that they have done an incredible job scouting tallent and finding 'diamonds in the rough' over the last few years. in a just world, john schneider, the seahawks gm would have won mvp. ,Good point. The teams that are willing to innovate, and move away from the norm will bear fruit. Just like buying stocks, you aren't looking to buy the stock today that everyone says is great, it is too late. The Oakland A's have been practicing this strategy under Billy Beane for years. It is not so much that you are re-inventing the wheel, as it is identifying undervalued assets(players in this case). And yes Seattle has done a nice job scouting, drafting and decision-making wise-they have also been the beneficiary of positive fortune. A QB making 550K leaves a lot of space on the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Not today. He made key plays on those 3rd downs....EJ needs to watch and learn how Wilson throws the ball to a moving target. You got to have confidence in your receive and release. EJ wouldn't have to do much if the defense holds them to 8pts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) EJ wouldn't have to do much if the defense holds them to 8pts! Does anyone believe Seattle would have won the SB will our offense? I sure as hell don't Edited February 3, 2014 by 75Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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