TPS Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I skimmed through the thread but didn't see any mention, has anyone brought up the possibility (admittedly wacky) that once Schwartz was fired, Marrone initiated a plan to get him? Schwartz fired; 2 weeks later Driesbach unexpectedly fired; one week later Pettine allowed to seek Browns job: coincidences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 In the way that defenses (and offenses) are now rated--points, that would be an improvement. I'll take an improvement in points over yards any day as that translates to more wins. Â All our defense had to do was sustain drives and trip guys returning pick sixes and they would have been better. Oh wait, that's the offense. Â Yards per drive is one of the few defensive stats that disallows interference from the other side of the ball. And we were ranked quite highly in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Well, lookie here, looks like TSW aren't the only ones upset about Bills' defensive coach departures.  meh. the yahoo contributor network has a lot in common with bleacher report. check the guys bio, and report back if you take him more serious than most on here    All our defense had to do was sustain drives and trip guys returning pick sixes and they would have been better. Oh wait, that's the offense.  Yards per drive is one of the few defensive stats that disallows interference from the other side of the ball. And we were ranked quite highly in that category.  schwartz in one of the many interviews actually discussed that instead of per game stats he likes to treat each drive as a game to help get more volume in his sampling to work with and a better picture. as you said, we did pretty well per drive (especially given some of the tough spots they were put in and the sheer volume of drives) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 meh. the yahoo contributor network has a lot in common with bleacher report. check the guys bio, and report back if you take him more serious than most on here   I'm under no illusion that the author is probably the stereotypical 25-yr old blogging from his parents' basement. Just found the difference in views very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 All our defense had to do was sustain drives and trip guys returning pick sixes and they would have been better. Oh wait, that's the offense. Â Yards per drive is one of the few defensive stats that disallows interference from the other side of the ball. And we were ranked quite highly in that category. Sure, "other factors" influence points--STs play to add to your point. Bottom line is Ws. If Schwartz can get this team to stop the run, and the team D averages fewer ppg, leading to the Bills winning more games, then I don't care if we have fewer sacks or we rank worse in yards per drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Sure, "other factors" influence points--STs play to add to your point. Bottom line is Ws. If Schwartz can get this team to stop the run, and the team D averages fewer ppg, leading to the Bills winning more games, then I don't care if we have fewer sacks or we rank worse in yards per drive. Or who fired whom and who hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Sure, "other factors" influence points--STs play to add to your point. Bottom line is Ws. If Schwartz can get this team to stop the run, and the team D averages fewer ppg, leading to the Bills winning more games, then I don't care if we have fewer sacks or we rank worse in yards per drive. Â Like Pettine and co. wouldn't have improved after their first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Doesn't have to sound as silly indeed. Nobody disputes that Marrone fired a guy Pettine probably wouldn't have. That's not the point.  GO BILLS!!!  Pettine was so upset over it, he was going to pull out of the Browns job after the 2nd interview because it was 'unfair' to the Bills...  "The Browns hired Pettine after he (nicely) gave them an ultimatum. He didn’t want to keep the Bills hanging on any longer, certainly not beyond the Super Bowl. He told the Browns after his second interview ended without an offer that he’d have to pull out if he didn’t get the offer out of deference to Buffalo head coach Doug Marrone(whom the Browns badly wanted to hire as head coach last year). At the point of Pettine’s demand for an answer, the best candidate was another defensive coach, Seattle coordinator Dan Quinn. That made it easier to justify Pettine, who didn't interview anywhere else." http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_---.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014   Pettine was so upset over it, he was going to pull out of the Browns job after the 2nd interview because it was 'unfair' to the Bills...  "The Browns hired Pettine after he (nicely) gave them an ultimatum. He didn’t want to keep the Bills hanging on any longer, certainly not beyond the Super Bowl. He told the Browns after his second interview ended without an offer that he’d have to pull out if he didn’t get the offer out of deference to Buffalo head coach Doug Marrone(whom the Browns badly wanted to hire as head coach last year). At the point of Pettine’s demand for an answer, the best candidate was another defensive coach, Seattle coordinator Dan Quinn. That made it easier to justify Pettine, who didn't interview anywhere else." http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_---.html   it mustve burned for the browns when marrone turned them down for buffalo - imagine if pettine turned them down to remain our DC too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Pettine was so upset over it, he was going to pull out of the Browns job after the 2nd interview because it was 'unfair' to the Bills...  "The Browns hired Pettine after he (nicely) gave them an ultimatum. He didn’t want to keep the Bills hanging on any longer, certainly not beyond the Super Bowl. He told the Browns after his second interview ended without an offer that he’d have to pull out if he didn’t get the offer out of deference to Buffalo head coach Doug Marrone(whom the Browns badly wanted to hire as head coach last year). At the point of Pettine’s demand for an answer, the best candidate was another defensive coach, Seattle coordinator Dan Quinn. That made it easier to justify Pettine, who didn't interview anywhere else."  This makes sense given the timing of how it all went down.  A few guys already withdrew, and the Browns did not want to be left holding the bag and then calling in a Chan Gailey-esque candidate for a look-see if Quinn spurned their advances after the SB.  Pettine was smart to extort their admiration of his candidacy by politely threatening to withdraw his name given the Curly, Larry & Moe perception of their bungled search. "Take the Browns to the super bowl", or get off the pot. Edited January 28, 2014 by HankBulloughMellencamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 All of this begs the question: why did Marrone fire him (for "underpeforming"?) and Pettine quickly hire him? Â Doesn't it suggest Marrone and Pettine have a "philosophcical difference" regarding (at least) Driesbach? It would seem easy to infer that Pettine disagreed with this guy's firing. Â You're right. I think there's more to this story than people are accepting. The fact that Pettine snatches up a guy he supposedly fired means he likely had nothing to do with the firing. Did it come from above? Perhaps, but it obviously didn't come from Pettine. Therefore, there was likely some meddling going on with the Pettine's defense, ironically the strongest unit on the Bills. Â Could've Pettine felt resentful a coach he didn't see eye-to-eye with, especially one that should've been shuffling the deck on the offensive and ST side? Next we see Pettine leaving for the Browns of all teams? This is the Bills, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Pettine feel I welcomed and unappreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 You're right. I think there's more to this story than people are accepting. The fact that Pettine snatches up a guy he supposedly fired means he likely had nothing to do with the firing. Did it come from above? Perhaps, but it obviously didn't come from Pettine. Therefore, there was likely some meddling going on with the Pettine's defense, ironically the strongest unit on the Bills. Â Could've Pettine felt resentful a coach he didn't see eye-to-eye with, especially one that should've been shuffling the deck on the offensive and ST side? Next we see Pettine leaving for the Browns of all teams? This is the Bills, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Pettine feel I welcomed and unappreciated. He alluded to the opposite, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 You're right. I think there's more to this story than people are accepting. The fact that Pettine snatches up a guy he supposedly fired means he likely had nothing to do with the firing. Did it come from above? Perhaps, but it obviously didn't come from Pettine. Therefore, there was likely some meddling going on with the Pettine's defense, ironically the strongest unit on the Bills. Â Could've Pettine felt resentful a coach he didn't see eye-to-eye with, especially one that should've been shuffling the deck on the offensive and ST side? Next we see Pettine leaving for the Browns of all teams? This is the Bills, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Pettine feel I welcomed and unappreciated. So the theory is that Pettine took the Browns job...because he felt unwelcomed and unappreciated after Dreisbach was fired by Marrone? Um, no. He took the job because they (had almost no choice but to) offered it to him and you strike while the iron is hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 You're right. I think there's more to this story than people are accepting. The fact that Pettine snatches up a guy he supposedly fired means he likely had nothing to do with the firing. Did it come from above? Perhaps, but it obviously didn't come from Pettine. Therefore, there was likely some meddling going on with the Pettine's defense, ironically the strongest unit on the Bills. Â Could've Pettine felt resentful a coach he didn't see eye-to-eye with, especially one that should've been shuffling the deck on the offensive and ST side? Next we see Pettine leaving for the Browns of all teams? This is the Bills, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Pettine feel I welcomed and unappreciated. Â Pettine didn't "supposedly" fire anybody; Marrone fired Dreisbach. There is absolutely NOTHING more to it than that. Marrone was his boss, Dreisbach reported to HIM, not Pettine. If the Cleveland job hadn't presented itself, Pettine would still be in Buffalo preparing for next season. Â GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Okay guys i am out of popcorn : ( Very good showing from all sides and fun reading . may i say that i respect the dialogue ? So much we dont know and great storylines manufactured here. Â I am guessing that its just simple stuff. Keep in mind there is more than two hands in the pot ! Maybe Whaley and or Russ had influence in all this ? Hmmm . Coulda been some ruffled feathers , but it seems very professional to me. All of it . Thanks guys all !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Okay guys i am out of popcorn : ( Very good showing from all sides and fun reading . may i say that i respect the dialogue ? So much we dont know and great storylines manufactured here. Â I am guessing that its just simple stuff. Keep in mind there is more than two hands in the pot ! Maybe Whaley and or Russ had influence in all this ? Hmmm . Coulda been some ruffled feathers , but it seems very professional to me. All of it . Thanks guys all !! grassy knoll anyone? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Â Â Pettine didn't "supposedly" fire anybody; Marrone fired Dreisbach. There is absolutely NOTHING more to it than that. Marrone was his boss, Dreisbach reported to HIM, not Pettine. If the Cleveland job hadn't presented itself, Pettine would still be in Buffalo preparing for next season. Â GO BILLS!!! Â Lots of people in this thread pinned it on Pettine. Â He alluded to the opposite, actually. Â Coach speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Lots of people in this thread pinned it on Pettine.    Coach speak  Coach speak for "I really DID feel unwelcomed and unappreciated in Buffalo?" Nope. More like disgruntled "fan speak."  GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 grassy knoll anyone? haha Naw man. its just funnin round here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Naw man. its just funnin round here I know... feels like this thread is um...divided. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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