B-Man Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Carney: Obamacare ‘Absolutely Worth It’ if Dems Lose the Senate In fact, Carney didn’t expect running against Obamacare to even be a winning message for Republicans “because they’ve got to explain what repeal [of the law] means.” Yeah, right. The Democrats never bothered explaining what the law actually meant, so I'm sure the burden's going to fall on the Republicans to explain its repeal. I can explain what "repeal of the law means.......................... It means if you like your doctor, you can keep him...................period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Me too. At this point, what difference does it make? We had nothing to do with that disgusting Internet video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 CA: Only One-Third Have Regained Insurance Lost... Michelle O wants $10 donations 'to help protect Obamacare'... Children Unable To Be Included In Parents' Plans... Retiring House Dem Slams Healthcare Law... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 well, at least they are admitting it now: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/27/aca-increases-income-of-poorest-slightly-decreases-that-of-seniors/4939135/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 well, at least they are admitting it now: http://www.usatoday....eniors/4939135/ But they're not getting the money - the evil insurance companies are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Why does a TPA take a 20% cut of every premium dollar? Because that is the price for Joe's Garage to not hire a FTE benefits person, AND, that's the price for the underwriter to not have to hire yet another claims processor. It's as if you think TPA just sprung out of the ground as some evil plan. TPA exists because it fills a market need nobody else is willing to fill. It's a solution to a problem. Want it to go away? Solve the problem better. Government single payer doesn't solve this problem, because Joe's Garage STILL won't hire an FTE benefit person. Period! I bet you 100 naked youtube pushups that, even with the exchanges, sooner or later TPA, or some mutated form of it, will appear yet again. And remember, it was more prior to 2010 and the passage of the ACA- 25-30%? you can't tell me that 20% versus a State Run risk pool such as Medicare, 4% is a better deal, not matter what scale you get. out of 1 Trillion dollar of healthcare premium dollars, 200 Billion go to something that doesn't involve care.... that's a racket of epic proporations. I can tell you, as I have told every other nonsense broker, that 4% is a nonsense, apples and oranges comparison. How many kids are covered by parent's Medicare? 0 How many kids covered by parent's group/ind./work insurance? Millions. That single example CLEARLY shows the added layer of complexity that the 2nd group of plans has. That added complexity costs more, at every step in the chain, and therefore? Apples to oranges comparison. This is 1 of 100s of examples, so enough with this, Jimmy Smits. Once again: this is a lie spawned by the West Wing TV show. As for competition, who cares who back up the big payment form the risk pool- you have a each American cover large deductibles and that is where your competition lies, in hospital and provider to attract and retain loyal patients. Insurance compaines don't care so much about cost as long as the cover they loss spread and make money.... What the hell are you talking about? Premiums/deductibles are what people will care about, and only about that, because we are talking catastrophic = something there's a very good chance they will never actually use. You are expecting catastrophic policy holders to make economic choices based on the loyalty they have for a product that as a group, 5% of them use/actually experience? As I said: WTF are you talkng about? you still have no explained (as has anybody who ever utter the phrase) why selling Policies across State Lines is anyting other that comepletely empty notion- I shouldn't have to explain the concept of economies of scale to someone who calls themselves a manager. you cede regulatory control of the health insurance to the Federal Government when they sell nationally rather than the State. The Fed gets control of what can be sold, how much, and they set-up the guidelines. Also, Aetna can sell policies in any State they wish- and I am sure Rocky Mountain Health PLans does not want to sell policies to fatties Mississippi- so the State Line argument is wihtout merit- it makes no difference until you prove clearly otherwise. Aetna cannot sell policies in any state. They can sell State-flavored X policy, subject to state crappy Y regulation...because the insurance board has to have it's reason for existence. Look: once again, we see the effects of propping up 20th century ideas, causing us to be unable to truly fix our TODAY problems. Catastrophic insurance is the IDEAL candidate for the "one-size-fits-all" approach. This is the ONLY approach that D.C. can manage. This is the correct approach for this situation. Catastrophic insurance, by definition, means: "you are completely screwed, and this is your bankruptcy protection". Everyone needs the same exact thing: to not be screwed. We don't need a butload of regulations. We need a simple set = whatever it takes for person X, provided they weren't about to go bankrupt anyway, to not go bankrupt. There is no need to define that differently per state, because IT MEANS THE SAME THING, EVERYWHERE. Meanwhile the day to day, HSA stuff, should be handled at the county level, with a state appeals board to back that up. Thus, under this plan: the need for a State insurance board for "consumer protection" is now gone. Since it is gone, we need the Feds to regulate catastrophic. This is fine, since big and monolithic is the perfect and only job for the average DC idiot. When we remove the state anarchonism, which is there to stop the door to door salesman(holy 1980s, batman!) from scamming people, we replace it with something that works, and isn't grounded.....like everything else you hold dear: in 1965. Rocky Mountain Health will be accquired. Period. They, and everybody like them, will be accquired like every little phone company was accquired in the 90s. We will end up with 2-4 major catastrophic companies, all regulated by the Feds, just like the phone situation...which has been the MODEL for competition causing lowered prices/better quality. This is possible, provided that we can move past the 1965 thinking, and let the industy run it's course. The ONLY reason insurance hasn't been sold across state lines as a function of Obamacare: protecting the inefficient union health insurance companies from competition that would put them out of business. Now, I've explained it in a basic format. You want more detail, fine, but don't come crying to me, and take responsibilty for the crying of other poster's, when I drop a book on your ass. Edited January 28, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Oh God... Please don't pontificate about cost accounting... First of all, he should understand it (as should every single person offering opinions in this thread). Secondly, you'll make everyone on the board who reads your posts kill themselves. Edited January 28, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Oh God... Please don't pontificate about cost accounting... First of all, he should understand it (as should every single person offering opinions in this thread). Secondly, you'll make everyone on the board who reads your posts kill themselves. It figures that Tasker would be the one to finally undestand the method. Tasker = enlightened. The rest? Hilarious. Edited January 28, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Oh God... Please don't pontificate about cost accounting... First of all, he should understand it (as should every single person offering opinions in this thread). Secondly, you'll make everyone on the board who reads your posts kill themselves. 1) If you're reading an OC post on cost accounting, suicide's redundant. 2) Even if not, we'd only lose maybe one poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) ‘The Spirit of Citizenship’ Involves Coaxing Other People to Buy Government-Compliant Insurance? Remember when President Obama was once thought to be a great orator? Five years into his presidency, it seems fair to say that he has yet to give a single memorable speech, and Tuesday night’s State of the Union address was certainly no exception. But it did contain this curious passage amidst the blandness: Tonight, I ask every American who knows someone without health insurance to help them get covered by March 31st. Moms, get on your kids to sign up. Kids, call your mom and walk her through the application. It will give her some peace of mind — plus, she’ll appreciate hearing from you. After all, that’s the spirit that has always moved this nation forward. It’s the spirit of citizenship . . . Thankfully that “spirit of citizenship” is aided by Obamacare’s unprecedented individual mandate, which for the first time in American history requires ordinary citizens to buy a product of the federal government’s choosing or else pay a penalty for refusing to comply. Yep, that’s the liberty-loving “spirit that has always moved this nation forward.” . The speech last night was depressing for its predictability, its lack of self-awareness, and its lack of solutions to help America get back on track. It was, however, stunning to listen to the president still trying to sell his misguided health-care law to the public as if nothing had happened. That takes some courage. Over at Forbes, Cato Institute’s Michael Cannon has a great piece that looks at the president’s statements about Obamacare. [The President] : More than nine million Americans have signed up for private health insurance or Medicaid coverage.” [MC] Sean Trende, Glenn Kessler, and Megan McArdle have shown how the Obama administration’s estimates of ObamaCare enrollments are bogus. Kessler writes that the Obama administration’s Medicaid-enrollment estimate “tells you almost nothing about how the Affordable Care Act is affecting Medicaid enrollment. Reporters need to stop using it.” McArdle writes, “at most, they’ve signed up 15 percent of the uninsured that they were expecting to enroll.” [The President]: And here’s another number: zero. Because of this law, no American can ever again be dropped or denied coverage for a preexisting condition like asthma, back pain, or cancer. No woman can ever be charged more just because she’s a woman. And we did all this while adding years to Medicare’s finances, keeping Medicare premiums flat, and lowering prescription costs for millions of seniors. [MC]: Oh, really? The Washington Post reports ObamaCare plans are discriminating against the sick. Keep reading this post . . . Edited January 29, 2014 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It doesn't take courage. It takes brass-balled stupidity which he has in abundance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Interestingly the IRS is unable to field millions of calls from taxpayers with questions about their tax status. That's probably because they are putting all their resources into the ACA basket as they administer the sleek processes that underpin that massive failure. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/29/irs-customer-service-leaves-millions-calls-unanswered/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 As the deadline for 2014 enrollment nears, Obamacare is increasingly growing unpopular, especially among the uninsured. A new Kaiser Family Foundation survey finds that about twice as many uninsured people have an unfavorable view of the health-care law than have a favorable one. Among the uninsured, 47 percent view Obamacare in a negative light versus the 24 percent who view it favorably. That’s a change from 43 percent who viewed it unfavorably last month, and 36 percent who viewed it favorably. Overall, half of Americans view Obamacare unfavorably, while just over one-third have a positive take on the law. More of the uninsured also said Obamacare made them worse off (39 percent) than improved their situation (26 percent), according to the poll. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/01/30/employees_at_pa_small_business_react_to_higher_healthcare_costs_from_obamacare.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 http://www.realclear..._obamacare.html Heartbreaking video, and yet the comments section is filled with progressives trying to explain how it was clearly staged. Sad, sad times for America's workers. The worst part is, everyone in that video is about to get audited right up the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 !@#$ 'em. They're all white. They can afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Four words in the ACA could spell its doom by George Will http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-four-words-in-the-aca-could-spell-its-doom/2014/01/29/e26a33cc-884a-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) It figures that Tasker would be the one to finally undestand the method. Tasker = enlightened. The rest? Hilarious. 1) If you're reading an OC post on cost accounting, suicide's redundant. 2) Even if not, we'd only lose maybe one poster. I quite literally spell it out...and you still don't get it? Yet another confirmation of the 7 different levels of intelligence theory. I say again, the threat of cost accounting soliloquy, is the argument, you putz. Or, put another way, behavioral conditioning can be quite useful when properly applied. Moving on: the fact is that the entire health care system, both status quo and Obamacare, is not only inefficient, but largely exists as a way for government, and frankly, everyone else(greedy providers, lawyers, insurance companies, pharma companies, etc.), to perpetuate themselves by adding empty costs to the business processes of health care. Government, and insurance companies equally represent the largest obstacles to delivering quality health care to the most people in the most efficient manner possible. In response to this documented reality, what do the dims devise? Something that not only increases the involvement of both, but guarantees the perpetual overriding control of both? Yes, Obamacare: the exact opposite of what we needed. Only a fool argues otherwise, as doing so stands in direct contradiction of the facts. Edited February 1, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 A Few More Reasons To Repeal ObamaCareby Betsey McCaughey Moody's rating agency has lowered the outlook for health insurers from stable to negative, blaming ObamaCare. Few Americans will shed tears for insurance companies. But the Moody's announcement is a warning sign to taxpayers. They'll be getting clobbered. Section 1342 of the Affordable Care Act forces taxpayers to make insurers whole for most of the losses incurred selling ObamaCare exchange plans through 2016. The bailout is designed to conceal the failure of the president's signature health law until he is out of office. No one in the Obama administration talked up the advantages of bailing out insurers. It was kept under wraps until the fall of 2013. That's when 5 million to 6 million health plans were canceled because they didn't comply with ObamaCare's one-size-fits-all coverage requirements effective Jan. 1. Insurers developed new plans, as the health law required, set premiums (generally higher) and sent out notices canceling the old plans. That caused public outrage. Trying to quell it, the president ignored his own law and told insurance companies on Nov. 14 they could keep selling the old plans. Insurers were caught off guard. They predicted there would be less demand for their new plans and that they'd lose money. Here's where the plot thickens. On the same day, an Obama administration health official, Gary Cohen, announced that the federal government (taxpayers) will offset most losses, citing Section 1342. Sweetening what the law already guarantees, he pledged to "modify" the bailout's "final rules to provide additional assistance." That's when Congress finally did its job and read Section 1342. Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investor...m#ixzz2s5KQ665P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Obamacare...hurting the ones it's supposed to be helping. From the Washington Post, of all places, the story of a woman earning $22K who is, I'm sure progressives will explain, a necessary casualty to help those who never had insurance: “It is definitely frustrating and not fair,” said Addie Wilson, 27, who lives in Fairmont, W.Va., and earns $22,000 a year working with at-risk families. She said that she is paying $100 a month more than she should for her insurance and that her deductible is $4,000 too high. When Wilson logged on to HealthCare.gov in late December, she needed coverage right away. Her old insurance was ending, and she was to have gallbladder surgery in January. But the Web site would not calculate the federal subsidy to which she knew she was entitled. Terrified to go without coverage, Wilson phoned a federal call center and took the advice she was given: Pay the full price now and appeal later. Now she is stuck. “I hope,” she said, “they really work on getting this fixed.” The Obama administration has not made public the fact that the appeals system for the online marketplace is not working. In recent weeks, legal advocates have been pressing administration officials, pointing out that rules for the online marketplace, created by the 2010 Affordable Care Act, guarantee due-process rights to timely hearings for Americans who think they have been improperly denied insurance or subsidies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 How ObamaCare Misreads America:The Washington elites who designed the law must be bewildered: Why doesn't everyone behave as they do? by Michael Barone People learn from their mistakes. Or they can—and should. Which is the reason we should try to learn from the revelations of mistakes about health care and health insurance since the passage of ObamaCare. The evidence is not all in. But it seems that Americans are not behaving as ObamaCare's architects—and many critics—expected. Start with the assumption that just about everyone wants health insurance. You can easily find polls that support this proposition. ObamaCare architects assumed that if you offered health insurance with subsidies for those with relatively modest incomes, those currently uninsured would flock to apply. So far that seems not to have happened. A McKinsey & Co. survey of those thought to be eligible for ObamaCare health-care exchanges found that only 11% of those who bought new coverage between November 2013 and January 2014 were previously uninsured. {snip} A second assumption of ObamaCare's architects is that health insurance will make people healthier. That assumption has been tested in Oregon. In 2008 the state government, with limited Medicaid funds, held a lottery to determine which people who were eligible for Medicaid would be enrolled. The result was an unusual randomized control trial of similarly motivated people with and without insurance. The results, reported in the May 2013 New England Journal of Medicine, were that after two years there was no significant difference between insured and uninsured in blood-sugar level, blood pressure and cholesterol levels—although those with Medicaid saved money and were less likely to suffer depression. A third assumption is that those with health insurance are more likely to seek care from physicians and less likely to go to emergency rooms. But the Oregon health study showed that those with Medicaid were 40% more likely to go to emergency rooms than those without insurance. More at link: http://online.wsj.co...Opinion_LEADTop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Democratic: the party of high expectations and low results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 and blaming someone else when their expectations aren't met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Democratic: the party of high expectations and low results. The Democrat Party Doc, not Democratic.......................there's nothing Democratic about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 and blaming someone else when their expectations aren't met. And explaining, as president, that while playing football is dangerous, smoking dope is like having a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 The Democrat Party Doc, not Democratic.......................there's nothing Democratic about it. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Stories of Obamacare destruction are flowing out like water now. Emilie Lamb...prepare for your audit. Betrayed by the President and Obamacare Prior to ObamaCare, I bought my health insurance through CoverTN, a program run by the state of Tennessee. The coverage was perfectly suited to my unique medical condition. It offered me low premiums, a low deductible and low co-pays for my regular trips to doctors and specialists. This plan was perfect for someone with my unique medical condition and limited financial means. My plan was canceled last fall. According to the regulators behind ObamaCare, it was a subpar plan that should no longer be sold to consumers. Another 16,000 Tennesseans on the same plan were similarly dumped. Many, like me, liked their plans and wanted to keep them. This wasn’t my insurer’s fault at all. CoverTN actually fought for me to keep my health care. After I received my cancellation notice, the folks at CoverTN requested that the federal government give them a waiver, which would let them grandfather my plan into ObamaCare. Their request was rejected. This left me with no health plan and only one choice: Buy a plan through the ObamaCare exchanges. After weighing my options, I settled on a “platinum” plan. This was the best plan that I could choose. A “bronze,” “silver” or “gold” plan all would leave me paying exorbitant amounts of money on my frequent, and expensive, trips to doctors and specialists. But the platinum plan was the lesser of two expensive evils. My new plan costs me $373 a month, even after a small subsidy. By comparison, my old plan only cost me $57 a month. And I now pay 25 percent co-insurance on all doctor visits until I reach my out-of-pocket maximum of $1,500. This is much higher than under CoverTN. All told, I’m likely going to pay more than $6,000 more each year for my medical care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 More good news, everyone!! CBO: Obamacare pushing 2 million out of workforce. This reminds me of the old days when Democrats loves to cite the CBO as a non-partisan group strictly dealing with the numbers in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Obamacare – The incompetence and denials keep comingby Ed Rogers Two stories converge today to illuminate how the White House and the Democratic establishment are attempting to hide the next wave of Obamacare failures. Both Post stories reveal how the president and Democratic leaders at the state level are hiding problems with Obamacare instead of confronting and fixing problems. First, Amy Goldstein of The Post reveals that the appeals process guaranteed in the Obamacare law does not actually exist. The story outlines an almost comical process that requires citizens who seek a fair hearing to have an innocent, HealthCare.gov-generated mistake corrected to fill out a seven-page paper form that is then inexplicably shipped to Kentucky, where it is entered into a government database that isn’t actually connected to anything. It’s a digital dead end for those who dare to complain. Typical. As a result, 22,000 Americans who have submitted an appeals request remain without proper coverage and they have no recourse. And, according to The Post, in the latest show of non-transparency from this administration, officials have “not made public the fact that the appeals system for the online marketplace is not working.” {snip} Next, The Post’s Jenna Johnson and Mary Pat Flaherty outline how Maryland state officials are trying to block an investigation into the debacle of the state health insurance exchange Web site, which has been plagued with operational problems since day one. More at link: http://www.washingto...ls-keep-coming/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) More good news, everyone!! CBO: Obamacare pushing 2 million out of workforce. This reminds me of the old days when Democrats loves to cite the CBO as a non-partisan group strictly dealing with the numbers in front of them. This report is damning. Absolutely F you damning. The usual fools begin denigrating the CBO in 5...4...3... and, yes, the irony is that the very same CBO was "inviolate", when they were being handed cooked books by the Democrats...in a lame effort to prove this thing was deficit neutral. Remember the Medicare/Obamacare "savings" double counting? Well, now we see empirical evidence of the double counting. And, Maryland's entire system is days away from imploding. Oregon is also in big trouble, because it's about to come out that they scammed the Feds. EDIT: Oh, and one last thing. Nothing like a system that can do "insert" but can't do "update" eh, Chef/4mer? Still want to tell me this thing is "working"? Clowns. Your credibility is absolutely gone on this issue. But, keep telling us about F'ing Google. Edited February 4, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The embarassment continues........................ Apparently Your Pets Want You to Get Obamacare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkxjgFsMfc Enroll America president Ann Fillipic told USA Today that this campaign aims to reach young women, nothing that “more than half of female pet owners would risk their lives for their pets” (those crazy cat ladies definitely need health insurance, in other words). She also conceded to the paper that ”there have been challenges in getting messages out” about the new law. Presumably singing parrots will remedy that. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 My tax dollars went... they... they went to... to THAT?!?!? Oh, for !@#$ sake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Hackers for Obama: http://www.americant...government.html Developers linked to the government of Belarus may have placed malicious code inside the healthcare.gov website allowing it to hack into the personal information of consumers. No - I'm serious. Washington Free Beacon: U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised. The intelligence agencies notified the ]Department of Health and Human Services, the agency in charge of the Healthcare.gov network, about their concerns last week. Specifically, officials warned that programmers in Belarus, a former Soviet republic closely allied with Russia, were suspected of inserting malicious code that could be used for cyber attacks, according to U.S. officials familiar with the concerns. Read more: http://www.americant...l#ixzz2sO02hq00 Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook Edited February 4, 2014 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I, for one, welcome our new Belorussian overlords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I, for one, welcome our new Belorussian overlords. If you like your overlord you can keep you overlord. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I, for one, welcome our new Belorussian overlords. I'm with you. It'll be nice to see the country tack to the right a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Ladies and gentlemen, your commander in chief... A fast food fry cook explains during a Google Hangout that his company is cutting back hours because of Obamacare, and he's been unable to get a union started. Obama understands...and the solution? Congress needs to raise minimum wage. It's almost like he's just making things up as he goes. http://youtu.be/f5rzRMCmeeE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 This report is damning. Absolutely F you damning. The usual fools begin denigrating the CBO in 5...4...3... and, yes, the irony is that the very same CBO was "inviolate", when they were being handed cooked books by the Democrats...in a lame effort to prove this thing was deficit neutral. Remember the Medicare/Obamacare "savings" double counting? Well, now we see empirical evidence of the double counting. And, Maryland's entire system is days away from imploding. Oregon is also in big trouble, because it's about to come out that they scammed the Feds. EDIT: Oh, and one last thing. Nothing like a system that can do "insert" but can't do "update" eh, Chef/4mer? Still want to tell me this thing is "working"? Clowns. Your credibility is absolutely gone on this issue. But, keep telling us about F'ing Google. except that it isn't: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/obamacare-remakes-the-economy--and-it-s-not-all-that-bad-202655235.html. it's a recurring theme: things are almost nerver as simple as you all make them out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 except that it isn't: http://finance.yahoo...-202655235.html. it's a recurring theme: things are almost nerver as simple as you all make them out to be. Oh the irony. From the Yahoo article that supposedly refutes the CBO............... "But it’s not, exactly [bad]. Those 2 million jobs don’t represent people who will be fired or denied work because of Obamacare. They represent people who hold a job primarily for the healthcare benefits provided by their employer, and might choose not to work it they could get coverage some other way." In other words the writer thinks that rather than having people work and earn their healthcare, it is better for them to quit work, and head to the government to get free healthcare!! This article is just spin, that is quickly gobbled up by those who want to believe. and then those of us who have read 5 or 6 different articles on the CBO report today are (laughingly) told that this one opinion piece by Rick Newman is some type of counter to common sense. Hilarious. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Oh the irony. From the Yahoo article that supposedly refutes the CBO............... In other words the writer thinks that rather than having people work and earn their healthcare, it is better for them to quit work, and head to the government to get free healthcare!! This article is just spin, that is quickly gobbled up by those who want to believe. and then those of us who have read 5 or 6 different articles on the CBO report today are (laughingly) told that this one opinion piece by Rick Newman is some type of counter to common sense. Hilarious. . unfortunately it's not ironic that you miss so many important points here. we don't have a shortage of labor. we have a shortage of jobs. and it will get worse as was so aptly pointed out in the "economist" article that gg recently linked. for all your sides whining about the bad parenting done by the poor, might having one parent at home caring for the kids be preferable to both parents away working to pay for health insurance. i know plenty of folks who work for nothing other than health insurance ( i personally used to employ several). wouldn't it be helpful to the unemployment rate to free up those jobs to heads of households that need the income more than the insurance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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