Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 This makes absolutely no sense. The fact is he DID help his team -- he stopped the Ravens from scoring a TD for heaven's sake! He accomplished exactly what he set out to do. As for the punishment, it's the wrist slap I expected. He should have been suspended. A coach stepping on the field to disrupt a ongoing play....can you even begin to imagine that in another sport? Maybe Nolan can throw an elbow at someone from the bench in the Sabres' next game. Guys get 4 games for blowing a joint and a coach gets zero for going on the field to hinder the opposing team. Unbelievable. Don't have to. A Strength and Conditioning coach for the Jets, as we all know, actually tripped a Miami gunner during a return. His penalty from the league? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Don't have to. A Strength and Conditioning coach for the Jets, as we all know, actually tripped a Miami gunner during a return. His penalty from the league? Nothing. those guys were BEHIND the line/white area, Tomlin not only was completely in the white area, he had a foot in the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 those guys were BEHIND the line/white area, Tomlin not only was completely in the white area, he had a foot in the playing field. The guy tripped the player during a play, so your distinction that he was behind the white line doesn't mean much here. He made deliberate contact to alter the play of that gunner. The point isn't whether he was on the white line. He hit the guy and there was no League penalty for the Jets or the coach. No one here is arguing that this is simply a white line violation, by the way. The discussion is whether Tomlin deliberately tried to alter the play with his physical presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvanvol Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The guy tripped the player during a play, so your distinction that he was behind the white line doesn't mean much here. He made deliberate contact to alter the play of that gunner. The point isn't whether he was on the white line. He hit the guy and there was no League penalty for the Jets or the coach. No one here is arguing that this is simply a white line violation, by the way. The discussion is whether Tomlin deliberately tried to alter the play with his physical presence. Those guys technically had a right to be there, but not to try and trip someone. Tomlin did not have a right to be where he was and in my opinion did interfere with the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 This makes absolutely no sense. The fact is he DID help his team -- he stopped the Ravens from scoring a TD for heaven's sake! He accomplished exactly what he set out to do. As for the punishment, it's the wrist slap I expected. He should have been suspended. A coach stepping on the field to disrupt a ongoing play....can you even begin to imagine that in another sport? Maybe Nolan can throw an elbow at someone from the bench in the Sabres' next game. Guys get 4 games for blowing a joint and a coach gets zero for going on the field to hinder the opposing team. Unbelievable. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Those guys technically had a right to be there, but not to try and trip someone. Tomlin did not have a right to be where he was and in my opinion did interfere with the play. So you conclude that since the Jets staff was where they should be, that the intentional contact shouldn't be punished by the league, but Tomlin's white line violation (with no contact and debatable prevention of a TD) should be met with heavy fine and/or suspension and loss of picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvanvol Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 So you conclude that since the Jets staff was where they should be, that the intentional contact shouldn't be punished by the league, but Tomlin's white line violation (with no contact and debatable prevention of a TD) should be met with heavy fine and/or suspension and loss of picks? I didnt say that. However I do think that Tomlins punishment should be worse. That Jets S and C coach lost his job. True the NFL didnt do that but I think the 100,000 dollar fine is fitting. I think it would have been more fitting to suspend him for a game though. The talk of losing draft picks is silly though. You shouldnt punish the team directly, but I am fine with suspending the coach a game because that is directly punishing him while indirectly hurting the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) The guy tripped the player during a play, so your distinction that he was behind the white line doesn't mean much here. He made deliberate contact to alter the play of that gunner. The point isn't whether he was on the white line. He hit the guy and there was no League penalty for the Jets or the coach. No one here is arguing that this is simply a white line violation, by the way. The discussion is whether Tomlin deliberately tried to alter the play with his physical presence. he was also preemptively suspended by the team, and fined heavily so the league didnt discipline him. the jets were also fined 100k Edited December 5, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I didnt say that. However I do think that Tomlins punishment should be worse. That Jets S and C coach lost his job. True the NFL didnt do that but I think the 100,000 dollar fine is fitting. I think it would have been more fitting to suspend him for a game though. The talk of losing draft picks is silly though. You shouldnt punish the team directly, but I am fine with suspending the coach a game because that is directly punishing him while indirectly hurting the team. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Well, I will just say this, I have never had so much fun in my life living here close to the Burg and listening to all of the Whiney Steeler fans try to justify Mike's actions as a mistake and claiming that anyone that sees it differently is just a racist. Too f'ing funny to me! Talk about Black and yellow blinders. Similiar to how they reacted to the Big Ben scandal. Have to be the most un knowledgable fans in the entire NFL. You can bet your sweet bippy that if it was Marrone that pulled that ****, we would be late night fodder material forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Well, I will just say this, I have never had so much fun in my life living here close to the Burg and listening to all of the Whiney Steeler fans try to justify Mike's actions as a mistake and claiming that anyone that sees it differently is just a racist. Too f'ing funny to me! Talk about Black and yellow blinders. Similiar to how they reacted to the Big Ben scandal. Have to be the most un knowledgable fans in the entire NFL. You can bet your sweet bippy that if it was Marrone that pulled that ****, we would be late night fodder material forever. This whole incident just shows the sad state of the American culture. A very well respected head coach literally and intentionally prevents an opposing player from scoring a touchdown, he then proceeds to lie about it to the entire country. However, because this head coach happens to be black, the media are too scared to call him out as a liar for fear of being labeled a racist. This, in the year 2013! I saw an ESPN poll with 71% of the nation voting that they thought Tomlin's action were intentional. I have yet to see one ESPN "on air" talent say that they think Tomlin's actions were intentional. This from the biggest sports network that makes it's living off of the "bold" opinions from hundreds of their "experts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jerry Jabber Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 This whole incident just shows the sad state of the American culture. A very well respected head coach literally and intentionally prevents an opposing player from scoring a touchdown, he then proceeds to lie about it to the entire country. However, because this head coach happens to be black, the media are too scared to call him out as a liar for fear of being labeled a racist. This, in the year 2013! I saw an ESPN poll with 71% of the nation voting that they thought Tomlin's action were intentional. I have yet to see one ESPN "on air" talent say that they think Tomlin's actions were intentional. This from the biggest sports network that makes it's living off of the "bold" opinions from hundreds of their "experts". Same thing on the NFL Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 he was also preemptively suspended by the team, and fined heavily so the league didnt discipline him. the jets were also fined 100k You're right. I didn't see initially where the Jets were fined by the league. All the reports I saw say the team fined him $25,000 and " There will be no additional sanctions from the league."--and those were several days after the game. It wasn't until 3 weeks after the game that the team was fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) Beyond the fines, reasons, excuses and explanations, I feel that the act was incredibly childish. This would have been something we did when we were 12 at football practice or during lunch break at school on the playground. Really makes me wonder about Tomlin's mentality. Edited December 5, 2013 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Beyond the fines, reasons excuses and explanations, I feel that the act is incredibly childish. This would have been something we did when we were 12 at football practice or during lunch break at school on the playground. Really makes me wonder about Tomlins mentality. He's one of the best and most respected coaches in the league. I'm sorry but I just find this outrage laughable. If this happens last Sunday at 1pm, this isn't half as big of a story. And I really don't get where the race angle is coming from. Why would anyone care about his race? He did something silly, it didn't change the game, he's getting a giant fine, let's move on. And I'd take Tomlin in a second as our head coach. Jones wasn't scoring anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 If this happens last Sunday at 1pm, this isn't half as big of a story. i think you are wrong on that count. it might not be AS big of a story, but itd still be a big one. sal alosi with the jets was huge, jason kidds incident was huge, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He's one of the best and most respected coaches in the league. I'm sorry but I just find this outrage laughable. If this happens last Sunday at 1pm, this isn't half as big of a story. And I really don't get where the race angle is coming from. Why would anyone care about his race? He did something silly, it didn't change the game, he's getting a giant fine, let's move on. And I'd take Tomlin in a second as our head coach. Jones wasn't scoring anyways. Oh please, after literally trying to stop an opposing player from scoring and then lying about doing it, Tomlin's no longer respected let alone "one of the most respected". Tomlin's lucky Jones didn't tear an ACL changing directions going full speed. Given the new "safety" rules, if that did happen Tomlin would have been fired by the Steelers and banned from NFL sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Those guys technically had a right to be there, but not to try and trip someone. Tomlin did not have a right to be where he was and in my opinion did interfere with the play. As a gunner, Tasker would often take "a tour" through the oppoing teams bench area before re-entering the field... Do you think they should have gave him the business! Absolutely! He even said the Jets-Dolphins thing was a non-issue. Edited December 6, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 @Edwerderespn NFL officials who failed to flag Mike Tomlin for interference have been downgraded accordingly I.E. They will be calling Bills games for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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