WIDE LEFT Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 E.J. Manuel is typical of the new breed of quarterbacks, in that he has worked extensively with a QB guru/coach, to improve mechanics etc. And it makes all the sense in the world to do this, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of a successful NFL career. So I always found it to be mind boggling when the Bills hired a QB coach/guru last year, and Fitz stated it was the first time he had ever worked with someone like this on his mechanics. I mean., it never occurred to this Harvard grad, and 7th round draft choice, that hiring someone to help him with his mechanics, might make the difference between NFL success and the money that comes with it? I mean, I know it worked out or him, but to have never worked individually with a QB guru to assist with NFL success, seems, well, pretty dumb for a smart guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 and look where he is now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The 20 page thread at the time didnt do the trick for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Fitz has a better chance to make money not playing football than most.. me thinks he doesnt really care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 E.J. Manuel is typical of the new breed of quarterbacks, in that he has worked extensively with a QB guru/coach, to improve mechanics etc. And it makes all the sense in the world to do this, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of a successful NFL career. So I always found it to be mind boggling when the Bills hired a QB coach/guru last year, and Fitz stated it was the first time he had ever worked with someone like this on his mechanics. I mean., it never occurred to this Harvard grad, and 7th round draft choice, that hiring someone to help him with his mechanics, might make the difference between NFL success and the money that comes with it? I mean, I know it worked out or him, but to have never worked individually with a QB guru to assist with NFL success, seems, well, pretty dumb for a smart guy. I always wondered this too. Maybe he was the super smart great athlete guy that never had to work super hard to do anything because of his innate talent. Maybe he just always assumed he would master in on his own. Who knows. Wonder what could have been if he got the personalized intense coaching Brady sought and rode to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) E.J. Manuel is typical of the new breed of quarterbacks, in that he has worked extensively with a QB guru/coach, to improve mechanics etc. And it makes all the sense in the world to do this, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of a successful NFL career. So I always found it to be mind boggling when the Bills hired a QB coach/guru last year, and Fitz stated it was the first time he had ever worked with someone like this on his mechanics. I mean., it never occurred to this Harvard grad, and 7th round draft choice, that hiring someone to help him with his mechanics, might make the difference between NFL success and the money that comes with it? I mean, I know it worked out or him, but to have never worked individually with a QB guru to assist with NFL success, seems, well, pretty dumb for a smart guy. I think that whole coaching thing was propaganda (?) with Fitz. Of course he was coached. That's called Marketing my friends . It was disgusting . The rib injury was manuevering . Last season was such a load of hooey so was the season before and the season before and anon.we shall see what we shall see . Edited June 12, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 E.J. Manuel is typical of the new breed of quarterbacks, in that he has worked extensively with a QB guru/coach, to improve mechanics etc. And it makes all the sense in the world to do this, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of a successful NFL career. So I always found it to be mind boggling when the Bills hired a QB coach/guru last year, and Fitz stated it was the first time he had ever worked with someone like this on his mechanics. I mean., it never occurred to this Harvard grad, and 7th round draft choice, that hiring someone to help him with his mechanics, might make the difference between NFL success and the money that comes with it? I mean, I know it worked out or him, but to have never worked individually with a QB guru to assist with NFL success, seems, well, pretty dumb for a smart guy. and look where he is now.... Agree and agree. Many people in many professions do professional development. Amazing that Fitz felt he was above it… even when guys like Brady and Manning were spending a few weeks each offseason with their gurus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 E.J. Manuel is typical of the new breed of quarterbacks, in that he has worked extensively with a QB guru/coach, to improve mechanics etc. And it makes all the sense in the world to do this, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of a successful NFL career. So I always found it to be mind boggling when the Bills hired a QB coach/guru last year, and Fitz stated it was the first time he had ever worked with someone like this on his mechanics. I mean., it never occurred to this Harvard grad, and 7th round draft choice, that hiring someone to help him with his mechanics, might make the difference between NFL success and the money that comes with it? I mean, I know it worked out or him, but to have never worked individually with a QB guru to assist with NFL success, seems, well, pretty dumb for a smart guy. Hmmm, I don't know.....the Bills brought in "Coach Lee" and he completely screwed up what mechanics Fitz may have naturally had. it was a complete bust to bring this "guru" in. Fitz has a better chance to make money not playing football than most.. me thinks he doesnt really care An undergraduate degree from Harvard may get him into a top grad school, but with just the degree he has, what high paying job is he going to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeisterHollow Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I've wondered about this - rather, marveled about it - that any player in the NFL could say they've never had position specific coaching at the highest intensity level. After seeing what has happened to that "experiment" in Buffalo with Fitz, I now suspect some players don't want to try to change what is natural, comfortable, and instinctual to them. When it comes to having success as an NFL QB, let's say we look at one bad passing play as a microcosm of the whole, and when the pass is intercepted or over/under thrown, the QB probably could say to himself that it was due to any of four or five different factors, if not more. It could have been setting feet, or the WR not having proper separation, or the QB's eyes being distracted right at the end, or the QB not seeing a specific defender. My point is, most NFL QB's probably tell themselves, "hey, I've made it this far, I must know how to throw the ball. It's the other things that usually go wrong!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Fitz went to Harvard? I would think we would have heard more about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The 20 page thread at the time didnt do the trick for you? Well, since this is the OP's 8th post I doubt he was around for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Well, since this is the OP's 8th post I doubt he was around for that. touche. some of last offseasons "lee will make fitz a probowler" talk still gets me a little worked up... deep breath in, and out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkgobills Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Some guys do great with lots of coaching and technique refinement, and some get worse the more they try to think about what they are doing. On the PGA tour there are some very notable names that have had no formal coaching. John Daly and Bubba Watson come to mind. In fact during Tigers recent "slump" Bubba was quoted as saying Tiger was being over coached and should just play. Fitz (and Tebow) both seemed less accurate and less powerful with their throws the more they worked on their technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Hmmm, I don't know.....the Bills brought in "Coach Lee" and he completely screwed up what mechanics Fitz may have naturally had. it was a complete bust to bring this "guru" in. This reminds me of Tiger woods. Hired a guru to work on his backswing and it screwed him up for years. He is back to good golf now, is that because of the guru or in spite of the guru? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Fitz went to Harvard? I would think we would have heard more about this... I bet he scored well on the Wonderlic... CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Hmmm, I don't know.....the Bills brought in "Coach Lee" and he completely screwed up what mechanics Fitz may have naturally had. it was a complete bust to bring this "guru" in. An undergraduate degree from Harvard may get him into a top grad school, but with just the degree he has, what high paying job is he going to get? I think the point here was he'll get a better job than the guy that got a BS in Mayan wicker container construction. Besides at this point doesn't he just need to manage his money. He's surely accumulated at least $10 Million by now. Lastly you dont think the guy that has a Harvard Econ degree and was a pro football QB is going to get the interview callbacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 E.J. Manuel is typical of the new breed of quarterbacks, in that he has worked extensively with a QB guru/coach, to improve mechanics etc. And it makes all the sense in the world to do this, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of a successful NFL career. So I always found it to be mind boggling when the Bills hired a QB coach/guru last year, and Fitz stated it was the first time he had ever worked with someone like this on his mechanics. I mean., it never occurred to this Harvard grad, and 7th round draft choice, that hiring someone to help him with his mechanics, might make the difference between NFL success and the money that comes with it? I mean, I know it worked out or him, but to have never worked individually with a QB guru to assist with NFL success, seems, well, pretty dumb for a smart guy. I think the basic assupmtion that every NFL player is clawing to the best to play the game at their position is incorrect. I watched a diddy on Brady and his QB specialist a while back, to me, Brady was obssesed with being the elite of elite. Manning as well. Other guys I am sure want to perform because they got the NFL because they were competitive and commited, but it would not shock me that some guys treat it like any job, do enough to perform but not over the top. Didn't our own Stevie say he never lifted a weight or worked out in the offseason until recently? why did he not hire a private position coach once it looked like he was going to be a player in the league? Maybe he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think the point here was he'll get a better job than the guy that got a BS in Mayan wicker container construction. Besides at this point doesn't he just need to manage his money. He's surely accumulated at least $10 Million by now. Lastly you dont think the guy that has a Harvard Econ degree and was a pro football QB is going to get the interview callbacks? For what kind of financial job? Selling insurance? Plenty of ex-jocks do that. There aren't many high paying jobs in the finance sector that only require an undergraduate degree. Even Masters and JDs are flooding the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 For what kind of financial job? Selling insurance? Plenty of ex-jocks do that. There aren't many high paying jobs in the finance sector that only require an undergraduate degree. Even Masters and JDs are flooding the market. seriously? yes, for some positions he would have to go further but plenty of firms would love to have a harvard econ grad that waited to enter the market because he was a starting NFL qb. theres a value there that separates him from a stack of identical resumes - and he certainly isnt the dumb jock that would be solely to shake hands at the car dealership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 For what kind of financial job? Selling insurance? Plenty of ex-jocks do that. There aren't many high paying jobs in the finance sector that only require an undergraduate degree. Even Masters and JDs are flooding the market. Perhaps it is time for you to consider pursuing a degree in literary interpretation. Read what the poster you responded to has written. He said stands "a BETTER CHANCE of making money THAN MOST". Yes an individual with a Harvard Econ degree does have a BETTER chance at landing a high paying job than a guy with a sociology degree from Tennessee Tech Nothing against a sociology degree from Tennessee tech. Even if that path is through law school, biz school, unpaid internship at Goldman... whatever. As an aside, I hire people into high paying jobs and I interview people with solid degrees from good schools over the ones with soft degrees from disreputable schools, particularly at entry level. But maybe I am in the minority and simultaneously Harvard's whole brand image is fallacious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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