Virgil Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 To do with what you wish: Current Rookie Class 1. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 41 2. Matt Barkley, USC 30 3. E. J. Manuel, Florida State 28 3. Landry Jones, Oklahoma 28 5. Mike Glennon, N.C. State 26 6. Tyler Bray, Tennessee 24 6. Geno Smith, West Virginia 24 6. Zac Dysert, Miami (Ohio) 24 9. Matt Scott, Arizona 22 10. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 20 Rookies from past few years Greg McElroy, Alabama- 43 Blaine Gabbert, Missouri- 42 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada- 37 Christian Ponder, Florida State- 35 Ricky Stanzi, Iowa- 30 Andy Dalton, TCU- 29 Ryan Mallett, Arkansas- 26 Cam Newton, Auburn- 21 Jake Locker, Washington- 20 2012 Rookie Class Andrew Luck, Stanford- 37 Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M- 34 Kirk Cousins, Michigan State- 33 Russell Wilson, Wisconsin- 28 Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State- 27 Kellen Moore, Boise State- 26 Brock Osweiler, Arizona State- 25 Robert Griffin III, Baylor- 24 Current NFL QB Stars Eli Manning, Ole Miss 39 Aaron Rodgers, Cal 35 Tom Brady, Michigan 33 Peyton Manning, Tennessee 28 Drew Brees, Purdue 28 Joe Flacco, Delaware 27 Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (Ohio) 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 41 is pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 41 is pretty damn good. And equally meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Funny, I sort of like 4 out of the top 5 as picks for the Bills and it had nothing to do with the wonderlic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 20 is average for the general population, qbs a couple points above that Always nice to see a good one but ultimately all these guys "passed the test." No numbers here that make you want to really ask what's going on and that's really what it's all about - do these numbers line up with expectations or do we need to dig deeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habes1280 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 20 is average for the general population, qbs a couple points above that Always nice to see a good one but ultimately all these guys "passed the test." No numbers here that make you want to really ask what's going on and that's really what it's all about - do these numbers line up with expectations or do we need to dig deeper In fairness-- and with some cynicism sprinkled it-- most of the general population aren't coached on how to take the Wonderlic and drilled on the types of questions that are asked. Scoring extremely well is still a modest accomplishment, but it means a lot less than scoring poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirty Year Fan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 In fairness-- and with some cynicism sprinkled it-- most of the general population aren't coached on how to take the Wonderlic and drilled on the types of questions that are asked. Scoring extremely well is still a modest accomplishment, but it means a lot less than scoring poorly. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 In fairness-- and with some cynicism sprinkled it-- most of the general population aren't coached on how to take the Wonderlic and drilled on the types of questions that are asked. Scoring extremely well is still a modest accomplishment, but it means a lot less than scoring poorly. great point, but also a nice sign that what appears to be our top three choices are the top three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 If its coached, why don't they all score well? If its meaningless, why do they still use it? If you're a QB what's your incentive to half-ass it? The answers.... 1) because some of these guys aren't that smart nor can they learn. Thats pretty important for a QB. 2) It's a way to contextualize players and rank them. It might not be he greatest testing instrument according to all the educational research academics on this board or academia in general but when give to a sample population, it provides a means to test them all the same. 3) If your a QB you want to do as well as possible, not caring and screwing off on it can be disasterous financially and might cost you a chance to go to a team that needs a QB who drafts you in the 3rd and had a starter. The bottomline I've harped over and over with those who want to dismiss this thing, in the words of a comic, you can't fix stupid. Stupid downs work under center and grades and GPAs for athletes in many cases are questionable. But most importantly, there is a high positive correlation between Super Bowl wins and reported Wonderlics. I've run the analysis. You don't win Super Bowls with sub 21 scores. Sure you might get to the playoffs, because by default 12 QBs make it, but if a true franchise QB is what you want and a Super Bowl is the goal, this test is a true indicator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 20 is average for the general population, qbs a couple points above that Always nice to see a good one but ultimately all these guys "passed the test." No numbers here that make you want to really ask what's going on and that's really what it's all about - do these numbers line up with expectations or do we need to dig deeper Agreed. A very low score can be a red flag. Above a 20-or-so threshold, a higher score is a nice to have, but it doesn't really matter. If its coached, why don't they all score well? If its meaningless, why do they still use it? If you're a QB what's your incentive to half-ass it? The answers.... 1) because some of these guys aren't that smart nor can they learn. Thats pretty important for a QB. The other factor is that some agents have copies of the test that they give to their clients in advance of the combine, and some don't. At least, that's what I've read. It's kind of surprising that ALL the agents don't have it at this point, but maybe some just don't think it's important enough or that teams weigh it heavy enough? 2) It's a way to contextualize players and rank them. It might not be he greatest testing instrument according to all the educational research academics on this board or academia in general but when give to a sample population, it provides a means to test them all the same. 3) If your a QB you want to do as well as possible, not caring and screwing off on it can be disasterous financially and might cost you a chance to go to a team that needs a QB who drafts you in the 3rd and had a starter. The bottomline I've harped over and over with those who want to dismiss this thing, in the words of a comic, you can't fix stupid. Stupid downs work under center and grades and GPAs for athletes in many cases are questionable. But most importantly, there is a high positive correlation between Super Bowl wins and reported Wonderlics. I've run the analysis. You don't win Super Bowls with sub 21 scores. Sure you might get to the playoffs, because by default 12 QBs make it, but if a true franchise QB is what you want and a Super Bowl is the goal, this test is a true indicator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 They should make tests similar to the wonderlic designed for each position that are geared towards the NFL. Something that would test their ability to identify and point out key things that are important to their position CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Wonderlic scores have no merit and are a poor predictor as to how a QB will perform in the NFL. Sincerely, Vince Young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Wonderlic scores have no merit and are a poor predictor as to how a QB will perform in the NFL. Sincerely, Vince Young McNabb and Marino are snickering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Fitz had a 48, look what that got us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 If its coached, why don't they all score well? If its meaningless, why do they still use it? If you're a QB what's your incentive to half-ass it? The answers.... 1) because some of these guys aren't that smart nor can they learn. Thats pretty important for a QB. 2) It's a way to contextualize players and rank them. It might not be he greatest testing instrument according to all the educational research academics on this board or academia in general but when give to a sample population, it provides a means to test them all the same. 3) If your a QB you want to do as well as possible, not caring and screwing off on it can be disasterous financially and might cost you a chance to go to a team that needs a QB who drafts you in the 3rd and had a starter. The bottomline I've harped over and over with those who want to dismiss this thing, in the words of a comic, you can't fix stupid. Stupid downs work under center and grades and GPAs for athletes in many cases are questionable. But most importantly, there is a high positive correlation between Super Bowl wins and reported Wonderlics. I've run the analysis. You don't win Super Bowls with sub 21 scores. Sure you might get to the playoffs, because by default 12 QBs make it, but if a true franchise QB is what you want and a Super Bowl is the goal, this test is a true indicator! Marino, Kelly and Bradshaw all got 15. They colectively went to the SB 9 times, 4 wins. All in the HOF. And what does "stupid downs work under center" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Gator 14 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 41 is pretty damn good. Not surprised he did well, this video kind of tells all about Nassib. It also suggests he's a workaholic in the class room. It's also nice to watch because the reporter is very easy on the eyes!! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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