peterpan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Id take him or Nassib with our first pick. We aren't going to have a shot at a good QB with our second, just look at the other QB needy teams in front of us. year after year it seems teams are drafting QBs earlier and earlier because, well, they are worth it. This evauluation is from watching the youtube clips (not highlights) of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Can you reference a single losing MAC QB that had any success in the NFL? I sure as heck can't. But the same argument can be made in reverse. We can all reference winning record QB's from major conferences that haven't had success in the NFL. It's about breaking down the individual, not the history of MAC QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 He is rated more like a 4th to 5th round pick 9th best QB prospect overall, I'd pass on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Not at all. Even when I agree with your opinions, you convey them with such a smug sense of superiority that I just nod my head. Maybe it's just my opinion, but I can't imagine others not seeing it in the same light. It has nothing to do with what you're actually saying. Just how you say it. Fool. Lol.. It's a bit of a habbit of mine. As I've stated before, I see no reason to say things like "in my opinion" "in my mind" "I think" etc... Those are implied. Of course it's my opinion, I'm the one typing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The film I've watched is just what is available on Youtube, like the individual game breakdowns they have for each QB prospect. I am by no means a scout. This is all just general observation. Ah...ok...I was going to ask where you got your All-22 from...been looking for a way to access it from college games without paying out the wazoo...only reason I asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) But the same argument can be made in reverse. We can all reference winning record QB's from major conferences that haven't had success in the NFL. It's about breaking down the individual, not the history of MAC QB's. Way to take it to an unrealistic extreme. There's a saying out there, the greatest predictor of future success is past occurences and, to my knowledge at least, there has not been a single successful MAC QB from a losing team that has had any legitimate success in the NFL. An elite NFL QB needs to be a leader, a motivator, an example setter. If he's on a crappy team then he needs to motivate them to get to the gym more, practice harder, execute better. He needs to pump them up for the game (and during the game) to get them to play at the highest level possible. If you don't posses the skill set and/or leadership skills to create a winner in the MAC, I'm not going to put an NFL franchise on your shoulders. Could he be the first? Sure, why not. However, with his record, stats, and competition faced, I just don't see it happening. Let's not get enamored simply by arm strength or some mobility. Those are just a couple of pieces of the franchise QB puzzle. Edited January 14, 2013 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 i agree with other posters w/ respect to a concern on his W/L record especially considering the conference he played in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It's a bit of a habbit of mine. As I've stated before, I see no reason to say things like "in my opinion" "in my mind" "I think" etc... Those are implied. Of course it's my opinion, I'm the one typing it. Its cool. Welcome to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'm glad this thread popped up. I've been talking about him for months now. Would be thrilled if we took him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Way to take it to an unrealistic extreme. There's a saying out there, the greatest predictor of future success is past occurences and, to my knowledge at least, there has not been a single successful MAC QB from a losing team that has had any legitimate success in the NFL. An elite NFL QB needs to be a leader, a motivator, an example setter. If he's on a crappy team then he needs to motivate them to get to the gym more, practice harder, execute better. He needs to pump them up for the game (and during the game) to get them to play at the highest level possible. If you don't posses the skill set and/or leadership skills to create a winner in the MAC, I'm not going to put an NFL franchise on your shoulders. Could he be the first? Sure, why not. However, with his record, stats, and competition faced, I just don't see it happening. Let's not get enamored simply by arm strength or some mobility. Those are just a couple of pieces of the franchise QB puzzle. I think you make valid points towards an argument against him, but I just think the broad stroke of looking at history of MAC QB's is shortsided. IMO, saying his team didn't win, so he can't play in the NFL is over simplifying the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Miami is in Flordia, not Ohio to be legit....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Way to take it to an unrealistic extreme. There's a saying out there, the greatest predictor of future success is past occurences and, to my knowledge at least, there has not been a single successful MAC QB from a losing team that has had any legitimate success in the NFL. An elite NFL QB needs to be a leader, a motivator, an example setter. If he's on a crappy team then he needs to motivate them to get to the gym more, practice harder, execute better. He needs to pump them up for the game (and during the game) to get them to play at the highest level possible. If you don't posses the skill set and/or leadership skills to create a winner in the MAC, I'm not going to put an NFL franchise on your shoulders. Could he be the first? Sure, why not. However, with his record, stats, and competition faced, I just don't see it happening. Let's not get enamored simply by arm strength or some mobility. Those are just a couple of pieces of the franchise QB puzzle. I agree with the past predicting the future. But still, put the number 1 ranked QB in this draft, Geno Smith, as QB for Miami and I highly doubt he could turn that team around. Being a leader at QB can only take you so far. He's not miraculously going to make his WR's become superstars. If you're team is lead by Joe Montana but he has a terrible O-line and WR, he's not going to take that team far into the playoffs. To dismiss a QB as a prospect simply because of his conference and W-L record is silly. The majority of QB's in each draft class lack one or two of the following: Size, arm strength, mobility, proper mechanics, pocket presence, or accuracy. Dysert has a check in all of those boxes. At the 2:56 mark of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMa5Nv2zoI, Dysert does a roll out and chucks the ball 45 yards in the air while on the move and hits his WR right on the money, but he drops it. He makes a bunch of other plays in that video, but if you say you're not impressed by that, then you're just lying to yourself. I don't even know if Fitz can throw it that far, let alone accurately and on the run. I'm not saying Dysert can step in right away and become the next Jim Kelly, but if coached well along with a good supporting cast, Dysert has all the tools to be a successful QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) I think you make valid points towards an argument against him, but I just think the broad stroke of looking at history of MAC QB's is shortsided. IMO, saying his team didn't win, so he can't play in the NFL is over simplifying the process. Completely agree. In the earlier post in the thread I also discussed his stats and performances. As one who is always put off by the arguments of "I hate this QB because he went to USC and I hate USC QBs" etc., I completely understand what you're saying. That was not my sole argument against him but I do think it holds a lot of water. Edited January 14, 2013 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'd take him as the 2nd QB we draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'd take him as the 2nd QB we draft. THIS. Take him two rounds after we take our first QB in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 If memory serves, Loseman was credited with this "talent." So you're saying we shouldn't consider a QB that possesses any of the traits listed above in fear of him ending up like Losman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I will go out on a limb and say that I really like what I saw on film from this kid. If the management wants to go the Kapernick route, this is not your QB. However, a QB with a great grasp of the game, above average arm strength, adequate release, who can hit all the throws and will occasionally pick up a 1st down with his feet... this kid has the tools. What really stood out on all the film I looked at was how much he stood out with how piss-poor the Miami Ohio offense looked around him. Very average to below-average receivers who dropped balls, ran terrible routes, and none seemed to have any breakaway speed even if he hit them 10-15 yards behind the coverage. No running game to speak of, and god forbid the kid held onto the ball for over 2 seconds because their left tackle rarely could hold a block to allow anything downfield to develop. The kid must be pretty durable, because he took a good pounding over his college career and all I saw was that he had a lacerated spleen at one point - like I said, he took a pounding. What really stands out was his quick decision-making. This is a kid that with a bit of coaching up could become a QB that could call his own plays after making pre-snap reads. If the current Bills brass want someone that can run an up-tempo offense and call the correct pre-snap audibles, he may very well fit that bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) I agree with the past predicting the future. But still, put the number 1 ranked QB in this draft, Geno Smith, as QB for Miami and I highly doubt he could turn that team around. Being a leader at QB can only take you so far. He's not miraculously going to make his WR's become superstars. If you're team is lead by Joe Montana but he has a terrible O-line and WR, he's not going to take that team far into the playoffs. To dismiss a QB as a prospect simply because of his conference and W-L record is silly. The majority of QB's in each draft class lack one or two of the following: Size, arm strength, mobility, proper mechanics, pocket presence, or accuracy. Dysert has a check in all of those boxes. At the 2:56 mark of this video , Dysert does a roll out and chucks the ball 45 yards in the air while on the move and hits his WR right on the money, but he drops it. He makes a bunch of other plays in that video, but if you say you're not impressed by that, then you're just lying to yourself. I don't even know if Fitz can throw it that far, let alone accurately and on the run. I'm not saying Dysert can step in right away and become the next Jim Kelly, but if coached well along with a good supporting cast, Dysert has all the tools to be a successful QB in the NFL. I watched that video and I see a first read, dink and dunk college system QB. He seems very good at it, but so was Blaine Gabbert. I worry that the Bills would be hanging their hats on a guy with a "low ceiling". The question I have is if he could ever be any better than an Andy Dalton. I see this guy and that's the type of ceiling I see. If the Bills want to win a championship then they will have to face Brees, Rodgers, Manning, RGIII, Newton or Kaepernick in the Superbowl. I would much rather the Bills pick a guy with a "high ceiling" like EJ Manuel. He has the Newton/Kaepernick "high ceiling" skills we need to look for when we draft our elite QB of the future. We need to roll the dice on greatness, not "he's good enough to get you in the playoffs". I look at guys like Dysert and Nassib and worry that they simply just don't have the "high ceiling" needed to get the Bills a Superbowl win. Edited January 14, 2013 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Kurt Warner sat out his first 3 seasons at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, a Division I-AA. He was overlooked by division 1 programs. He did have a winning record his senior year....8-3 I think ? He went undrafted in 94. The Pack took a shot at him and cut him in a few short weeks. I'd say he turned out pretty good. Just sayin. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Kurt Warner sat out his first 3 seasons at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, a Division I-AA. He was overlooked by division 1 programs. He did have a winning record his senior year....8-3 I think ? He went undrafted in 94. The Pack took a shot at him and cut him in a few short weeks. I'd say he turned out pretty good. Just sayin. jb Could you elaborate more on where you see the connection? I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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