Mark Vader Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) I never mentioned "franchise" anything. I like Spiller and think he is a solid player. Was he a bad pick for the Bills at #9? HELL YES. We already had Freddy and Marshawn. Does Spiller have potential to be better than both, probably yes. Has he accomplished it, HELL NO. I would much prefer that the Bills had kept Lynch and Jackson and used the 9th pick on another need. So you were willing to risk the chance on Marshawn making another big off-the-field violation. Which would have resulted in a suspension for a WHOLE YEAR! Edited December 14, 2012 by Mark Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I would say that we are marginally better talentwise. But we still lake playmakers/stars at the important positions and our coaching is horrible. Precisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 So you were willing to risk the chance on Marshawn making another big off-the-field violation. Which would have resulted in a suspension for a WHOLE YEAR! Clearly, superior coaching could have helped Marshawn Lynch and not just a change of scenery. The man is a beast and would have been a major power back to offset Fred Jackson as the 3rd down back similar to Darren Sproles.A former #1 pick in 2007, a 1000 yard RB for a 5th round pick Superior coaching also would have made a better choice then to stick with Trent Edwards all pre season and then cut him after two games. Bringing in an unprepared Fitz to run for his life for half the season. If in that first year Nix had drafted a LT to replace Jason Peters, and had found a better RT then Cornell Green to start the year that offensive line would have been so much better then it was Jeez, look at the Patriots for 2010 drafting @ 27th their #1 pick was CB Devin McCourty,and #2 was TE Rob Gronkowski... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I am amazed at the confidence that the Bills are a better, 5 win team. I would have thought the "benefit of doubt" would have been used up 5 years ago. This is why this team thrives in Bflo. Nobody really cares if they WIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 3 years ago a win came from overachieving. Now wins come from scratching the surface of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The Bills are a better team than three years ago, same results Galley is why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Talent is considerably better. Coaching is considerably worse. Gailey/Wannstedt being worse than DJ/Fewell/Van Pelt is quite telling after 3 years of rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The Bills are a better team than three years ago, same results Galley is why! Baffling how people can say this. You can point to a few positions and say they are better now. But when you look at the overall is the team better question ... 2008 record 7-9 2009 record 6-10 2010 record 4-12 2011 record 6-10 2012 record If they are lucky, 7-9. But probably 6-10 or even 5-11. So no, the Bills are not a better team now than 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Produce on the field like marshawn? You mean being within 100 total yards despite 100 fewer touches? Thats the point. Spiller in his best year of his career still has not achieved what Lynch has. Lynch has more yards and almost twice as many TD's as Spiller. Picking Spiller was a complete waste. We are no better off with him now than we were with Lynch 3 years ago. We should have used that pick on an OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Baffling how people can say this. You can point to a few positions and say they are better now. But when you look at the overall is the team better question ... 2008 record 7-9 2009 record 6-10 2010 record 4-12 2011 record 6-10 2012 record If they are lucky, 7-9. But probably 6-10 or even 5-11. So no, the Bills are not a better team now than 3 years ago. You basically proved the point. No improvement due to coaching. Talent improved, yes. Edited December 14, 2012 by 87168 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Thats the point. Spiller in his best year of his career still has not achieved what Lynch has. Lynch has more yards and almost twice as many TD's as Spiller. Picking Spiller was a complete waste. We are no better off with him now than we were with Lynch 3 years ago. We should have used that pick on an OL Spiller has 100 fewer yards, and 3 less touchdowns on 100 less touches. Hes achieved plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Levy/Jauron 2008, 3rd year: Offense: Edwards, Lynch, Jackson, Evans, Reed, Royal, Schouman, Peters, Dockery, Preston, Butler, Walker Defense: Kelsay, Stroud, Williams, Schobel, Denney, Ellison, Poz, Mitchell, McGee, Greer, Whitner, Simpson Smithers/Jauron 2009: Offense: Edwards, Jackson, Evans, Owens, Nelson, Bell, Levitre, Hangartner, Wood, Chambers Defense: Kelsay, Stroud, Williams, Schobel, Ellison, Poz, Mitchell, McGee, Florence, Wilson, Byrd Nix/Gailey 2012, 3rd year: Offense: Fitz, Jackson, Spiller, Johnson, Graham, Jones, Chandler, Glenn, Levitre, Wood, Urbik, Pears Defense: Williams, Dareus, Williams, Bradham, Shepherd, Barnett, Williams, Gilmore, Wilson, Byrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) The talent on the roster from top to bottom is most certainly better. Unfortunately, the glaring inability to upgrade at QB, combined with dubious roster management and play calling, has led to a record that does not accurately reflect this talent. ^^^ This I'll add to this statement by saying the opinion of Fitz by Nix/Gailey is what disabled the upgrade at QB...Nix said it in his interview this AM on WGR when asked about Russell Wilson...He said they liked Wilson a lot, but felt the need for a speed WR was greater in the 3rd Round...That statement speaks volumes about the way Nix/Gailey evaluated the QB position here...Sure it's time to Draft a QB now...Their backs are against the wall and they know it...It's got nothing to do with solidifying the future and blah, blah, blah...It's got everything to do with the fact that they now know internally Fitz is not gonna be the guy for long...And now, after 3 years, they have laser focus...That's fine when you're fortunate enough to get in a position to Draft a Luck, RGIII, Cam Newton...We'll see if The Bills get lucky enough in this next Draft...But to be perfectly honest I'm concerned about how they have backed themselves into this QB corner...That's why I think they should take two in 2013...Just my opinion... Edited December 14, 2012 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Spiller has 100 fewer yards, and 3 less touchdowns on 100 less touches. Hes achieved plenty. Right, but he is not markedly better. Lynch has made a probowl and been to the playoffs, Spiller has not. We should have kept Lynch. The Spiller pick was stupid. If Spiller was blowing away Lynch and scoring a bunch more TDs then I could justify the pick. He was supposed to be the "home run" back. He isn't. Chan doesn't use him enough. Is that because Chan doesn't trust him? Spiller doesn;t know the playbook? Spiller gets winded? Not sure. The point is, We are not better off today than we were 3 years ago. Spiller is roughly equivalent to Lynch and cost a top ten pick. That's a high price for little no improvement. Levy/Jauron 2008, 3rd year: Offense: Edwards, Lynch, Jackson, Evans, Reed, Royal, Schouman, Peters, Dockery, Preston, Butler, Walker Defense: Kelsay, Stroud, Williams, Schobel, Denney, Ellison, Poz, Mitchell, McGee, Greer, Whitner, Simpson Smithers/Jauron 2009: Offense: Edwards, Jackson, Evans, Owens, Nelson, Bell, Levitre, Hangartner, Wood, Chambers Defense: Kelsay, Stroud, Williams, Schobel, Ellison, Poz, Mitchell, McGee, Florence, Wilson, Byrd Nix/Gailey 2012, 3rd year: Offense: Fitz, Jackson, Spiller, Johnson, Graham, Jones, Chandler, Glenn, Levitre, Wood, Urbik, Pears Defense: Williams, Dareus, Williams, Bradham, Shepherd, Barnett, Williams, Gilmore, Wilson, Byrd You forgot: Levy/ Jauron 7-9 Nix/Gailey will be lucky to hit 7-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) Yes the Bills are improved. But the teams ranked ahead of us are imporved more. The teams ranked behind us are improving at a faster rate than we are. What does that get us? It's like we are on an escalator moving at a faster rate downwards while we sluggishly move upwards. Futility squared! It's funny how as the team continues to lose people search for a differnt metric to measure success. How about the standard way of judging success in the NFL? Wins vs Losses. Edited December 14, 2012 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Weare what are record says we are despite more talent. Coaching, then obviously has been issue. Need a new coach with energy and motivating skills to take this team to next level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 You forgot: Levy/ Jauron 7-9 Nix/Gailey will be lucky to hit 7-9 Didn't forget; it's been mentioned a few times already. I thought it might be instructive to use actual names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Don't confuse MORE talent with DIFFERENT talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibranHamdansGhost Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Chan Gailey is dilusional. The Bills have swung and missed on so many first round draft picks that they are constantly starting from square one. Have you guys seen next years schedule? In addition to the AFC East, they get the NFC South, AFC North, and probably Tennessee and Oakland. 5-11 here the Bills come again. At least we'll get to see Cam Newton in person at the Ralph next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Don't confuse MORE talent with DIFFERENT talent. That's actually a good way of putting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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