Bill from NYC Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 As with the Spiller pick you were too quick to draw conclusions. Again, with the Gilmore pick you are too quick on the draw in assessing him. Be patient and you again will be pleasantly surprised with the outcome. My complaints about the draft is that the way we have drafted, year after year, has not produced wins. But this probably belongs in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 That empty backfield on the 3rd and 1 was ridiculously stupid and reckless. I don't think there is a football coach anywhere else in the United States that would do that. See entry for: Reid, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 - I asked in a different thread and didnt get an answer: why are we so ineffective in short yardage situations when we have a) near pro bowl caliber center, b) quality guards, c) premier running backs? Dont blame Chans fancy play calling, when he call straight up runs, we mostly get stuffed. We have very little blocking from the TE position. A lot of teams put one in motion and hammer open a gap. Chandler is a lousy blocker and usually out on patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hello Bill and hope you're doing fine. I really agree w/ your points 5 & 6. Also, the fact that a win is a win, period. Forget about ugly wins, pretty wins, on and on and on. But Bill, what about Leodis' TD man? Opening minutes of the game & he makes a statement like that! That's a tone - setter man. To me, that says to the Dolphins: We're hear to kick your a__ __. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 - I asked in a different thread and didnt get an answer: why are we so ineffective in short yardage situations when we have a) near pro bowl caliber center, b) quality guards, c) premier running backs? Dont blame Chans fancy play calling, when he call straight up runs, we mostly get stuffed. We have very little blocking from the TE position. A lot of teams put one in motion and hammer open a gap. Chandler is a lousy blocker and usually out on patterns. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 re: 2) I had no idea that ball was an interception...I saw Byrd leave his feet and was waiting for a flag for pass interference...the camera angle made it seem as the ball was not anywhere close to Byrd, when I saw the subsequent scramble, I was blown away. did NOT see that one coming at all! Ditto!! I couldn't believe he came away with that ball and managed to land in-bounds! A pick, a fumble recovery and on Mckelvin' PR-TD, he gets knocked down, gets up and gets THE key block to spring McKelvin by pushing his man OOB. He has an incredible nose for the ball. He is the heir apparent to Ed Reed & Troy P (Pitt) as the games best safety. He MUST be a re-signing priority for Buddy. Knowing Buddy's mantra about keeping the good guys you have, I am sure they will do whatever it takes to keep him in Bflo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hello Bill and hope you're doing fine. I really agree w/ your points 5 & 6. Also, the fact that a win is a win, period. Forget about ugly wins, pretty wins, on and on and on. But Bill, what about Leodis' TD man? Opening minutes of the game & he makes a statement like that! That's a tone - setter man. To me, that says to the Dolphins: We're hear to kick your a__ __. McKelvin is a legit home run threat on every kick. If he had better vision in terms of seeing openings, he would probably break touchdown records. Meanwhile, when he gets through an opening, he is virtually impossible to catch. It's a thrill to watch him return kicks, although I admittedly hold my breath in terms of fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 It's amazing how much better the LBs do when the DEs are setting the edge and Dareus is actually clogging the middle instead of getting taken out. That being said the Bills still need to address LB in the offseason. As for your Wood comment, he's also the one who recovered Freddie's fumble at the end of the game last week when Jackson got KO'd. The guy hustles downfield and is always looking to take on another defender which has put him in position to recover 2 fumbles in back to back weeks. I'm not sure how wise it is of Fitz to be consistently taking on defenders but it gets me pumped up when I see our QB trying to lay wood on guys then getting in their face afterwards. That said, there were open receivers all over the place last night but Tannehill had happy feet because he got whacked a few times early in the game. We'd have given up 40 to a good QB. You're right, but thankfully the Bills don't play any good QBs the rest of the way unless you count Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 - I asked in a different thread and didnt get an answer: why are we so ineffective in short yardage situations when we have a) near pro bowl caliber center, b) quality guards, c) premier running backs? Dont blame Chans fancy play calling, when he call straight up runs, we mostly get stuffed. We have very little blocking from the TE position. A lot of teams put one in motion and hammer open a gap. Chandler is a lousy blocker and usually out on patterns. Because we run block in angles and we create holes by walling off defenders instead of driving them. We practice more the former than the later, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 My complaints about the draft is that the way we have drafted, year after year, has not produced wins. But this probably belongs in another thread. There are many reasons why the Bills are a bottom basement organization and a consistently losing franchise. For sure drafting players that work out itsn't the problem for its historical failures. If the GM drafts a player at a high draft position and that player turns out to be good, then that is a positive, no matter what position that player plays. If the particular player develops into being a playmaker and the best player on the team then that is a successful transaction, no matter what the position the player plays. My basic point in the prior posting is that there is a developmental process that most young players go through. Very few players are instant successes in this very challenging field of endeavor. You have voiced a tremendous amount of skepticism and impatience with a couple of Nix's first round picks. One has developed into being the best player on the team; and the current first round pick, a CB, in my eyes, is going to be a quality player for us. As I noted in the prior post Claiborne, a highly touted prospect is having his rookie struggles, and at this very early stage is being outperformed by our rookie CB. Nix, in general, is taking the approach of drafting according to the ranking on his draft board. That is the right approach to take. He did it with the Spiller pick and he did it with the Gilmore pick. In the long run that is the right approach to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hello Bill and hope you're doing fine. I really agree w/ your points 5 & 6. Also, the fact that a win is a win, period. Forget about ugly wins, pretty wins, on and on and on. But Bill, what about Leodis' TD man? Opening minutes of the game & he makes a statement like that! That's a tone - setter man. To me, that says to the Dolphins: We're hear to kick your a__ __. Kudos on using the spelling that Leodis would have used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Spiller just isn't that guy. Freddie is pretty good at finding that little crack that's going to be available but CJ is like Barry Sanders in those situations. For every home run he hits, he's going to get crushed 5 or 6 times. The best thing the BILLS can do to resolve this next offseason is find a real short yardage guy who can move the pile. Note to Chan: Stop taking Spiller off the field in the red zone. The damn football isn't heavy. My sentiments exactly...CJ is your best weapon and you continuously take him off the field in the red zone. Look, I'm not angry, because we won the game. However, this could lose us the game in the future. Keep the best play maker on the field ESPECIALLY when you're inside the 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 - I asked in a different thread and didnt get an answer: why are we so ineffective in short yardage situations when we have a) near pro bowl caliber center, b) quality guards, c) premier running backs? Dont blame Chans fancy play calling, when he call straight up runs, we mostly get stuffed. We have very little blocking from the TE position. A lot of teams put one in motion and hammer open a gap. Chandler is a lousy blocker and usually out on patterns. The NFL is all about deception. Throw from your run sets and vice-versa. I'd like Chan to be more creative on 3rd and short....but maybe he has been and the problem is all execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 In regards to point #10: This call drove me mental. I am still considering making it a separate thread. WHY HAVE NO ONE IN THE BACKFIELD? Going further, if I remember the play right, they split Spiller out to the left and had only one WR to the right. This essentially is a double tight end formation. What most playbooks call a "big" or "goal line" formation. I understand it is a 3rd and 1, but the big formation does NOTHING if you can't run it down their throat. Gailey can be such a BUM at times. In regards to point #10: This call drove me mental. I am still considering making it a separate thread. WHY HAVE NO ONE IN THE BACKFIELD? Going further, if I remember the play right, they split Spiller out to the left and had only one WR to the right. This essentially is a double tight end formation. What most playbooks call a "big" or "goal line" formation. I understand it is a 3rd and 1, but the big formation does NOTHING if you can't run it down their throat. Gailey can be such a BUM at times. I take it back.... there is already a thread about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Joe-the-Sixpack, Spiller's rushing was far from pedestrian. He was averaging 5 yards a carry until the 4th quarter. His average ypc decreased after some clock-eating runs, but prior to that he was ripping off 5-, 7-, and 10-yard runs. He was dynamic all night long. I liked the offensive and defensive performances. The play calling, as always, was flat out stupid at times. 3rd and a short 1 inside Miami's 30 and you throw from an empty backfield? C'mon, Chan, put your thinking cap on! This is the #1 problem - Chan thinks too much and calls the bizarre instead of what will work with the talent we have, i.e., a goal line slant/in to a 6'7" TE.....duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 In regards to point #10: This call drove me mental. I am still considering making it a separate thread. WHY HAVE NO ONE IN THE BACKFIELD? Going further, if I remember the play right, they split Spiller out to the left and had only one WR to the right. This essentially is a double tight end formation. What most playbooks call a "big" or "goal line" formation. I understand it is a 3rd and 1, but the big formation does NOTHING if you can't run it down their throat. Gailey can be such a BUM at times. I take it back.... there is already a thread about this. AT the time I remember thinking that maybe the call was going to be a QB draw or a bootleg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 That empty backfield on the 3rd and 1 was ridiculously stupid and reckless. I don't think there is a football coach anywhere else in the United States that would do that. My guess is that Chan is out-coaching himself. It looks like he's trying to make the defense think too much, when in fact, he's hurting the offense by putting in Choice and/or emptying the backfield on 3rd & 1. Maybe he does know that Spiller isn't exactly Earl Campbell out there, but at least put him in the field as an option. If you don't have your best player on the field at that point, then what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanofFredJackson Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 It was a cheesy win filled with too many costly as well as stupid penalties. A game in which the Bill's offense couldn't even score a single touchdown. The second hand offensive play calling was even stupider. Nevertheless a win is still a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 If not for the Defense we wouldn't haven't have won (yes I said it) 4 chances in the redzone & come out with just 12 points not good against a bad Dolphins team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Chan knows we can’t line up in the big formation and just pound it for that yard, even with Fred. He did try a few times and we got stuffed…although one was due to a missed block by Cory Mac. On 3rd and 1 last week, we ran it out of the shotgun. He knew it last season too which is why I believe we saw a lot of Brad Smith in the wildcat…speaking of, BS was fairly good at picking up those 1st downs so why was Choice running it last night? To make it worse, on the 3rd and 1 last night Stevie was wide open but Fitz decided to go deep to Jones, who I’ve yet to see actually go up and get a ball. I’ve seen Fitz do that a few times recently. With how bad his deep ball is, he should be taking those shots on 1st down, not 3rd and short. Edited November 16, 2012 by cnico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts