uncle flap Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-coverage/2012/10/talent-what-talent-kyle-williams-blasts-bills-defensive-play.html http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/22/kyle-williams-lays-into-bills-defense/ Williams essentially suggested the Bills were overrated. "Well, I've got to look at it and say the talent is, uh, you know, I mean," Williams ended that thought and started over. "You're not very talented if you're doing what we've been doing, OK?," he continued. "I've said it from the very beginning when we were at training camp. Talent doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what things look like on paper, what you say. 'We're going to be good because look at this sheet of paper.' That doesn't matter. "It matters if you're playing fast, you play physical, you play together. It's everybody on defense. It starts up front, it works its way around." WIlliams basically went on to say it's a matter of execution, not game planning and scheming. IMO, there's something to say about the talent AND the coaching. Coming into the season, I definitely expected a lot more out of the D. Now it seems the players might have been overrated, but I still can't concede that there is a fundamental lack of talent. What I mean is that perhaps some of the players aren't as good as we thought they'd be, but I don't think the talent level matches up with their ranking as the worst D in the league. Sure, they don't have 11 Pro Bowlers out there, but they certainly don't have the worst 11 starters in the league top to bottom either. So, what gives? Obviously the players aren't making plays, but over rated or not, the D is not completely devoid of talent. To me, the results are indicative of poor coaching. Motivation is just as important as scheming. Wanny and Co. need to 1. put the players in a position to succeed, and 2. instill the confidence that what they're doing will work. Right now, what they're doing isn't working, and it couldn't possibly be worse. I think the players can certainly play much better individually, but I think it's up to the coaching staff to get them to do so. What do you guys think? Is Kyle Williams right? Or is he just toeing the company line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 If you don't have the talent to play the scheme at issue, then you have two options: (a) get different players; or (b) change the scheme. We are doing neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 It's just like Fitz taking responsibility for the INT, when Pears is beat clean on a 3 man rush and he misses Stevie on the out route and it gets picked off. We know Wanny sucks as a DC, or that OL mess up sometimes. They just aren't going to throw coaches / other players under the bus. They are stand up guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 http://blogs.buffalo...nsive-play.html http://profootballta...-bills-defense/ WIlliams basically went on to say it's a matter of execution, not game planning and scheming. IMO, there's something to say about the talent AND the coaching. Coming into the season, I definitely expected a lot more out of the D. Now it seems the players might have been overrated, but I still can't concede that there is a fundamental lack of talent. What I mean is that perhaps some of the players aren't as good as we thought they'd be, but I don't think the talent level matches up with their ranking as the worst D in the league. Sure, they don't have 11 Pro Bowlers out there, but they certainly don't have the worst 11 starters in the league top to bottom either. So, what gives? Obviously the players aren't making plays, but over rated or not, the D is not completely devoid of talent. To me, the results are indicative of poor coaching. Motivation is just as important as scheming. Wanny and Co. need to 1. put the players in a position to succeed, and 2. instill the confidence that what they're doing will work. Right now, what they're doing isn't working, and it couldn't possibly be worse. I think the players can certainly play much better individually, but I think it's up to the coaching staff to get them to do so. What do you guys think? Is Kyle Williams right? Or is he just toeing the company line? Not top to bottom certainly. But we would be hard-pressed to find starting spots on other teams for Sheppard, Bradham, Barnett, A Williams, G Wilson, and Kelsay/Merriman. Add a couple good players who are under-performing in M Williams and Dareus, along with a promising rookie learning on the job in Gilmore and you have a perfect recipe for suckitude. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 If you don't have the talent to play the scheme at issue, then you have two options: (a) get different players; or (b) change the scheme. We are doing neither. Well they did switch from a 4-3 to 3-4 back to the 4-3 defense. I therefore conclude the players suck moreso than the coaches. suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinWPB Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Let me help translate Kyle's presser.. The defensive scheme doesn't fit some of our talent. The defensive play selection sucks.Some of us are stupid and some of us are playing like pussys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfCRaNg5EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgbe Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) My take is..... Currently, we have some talent, but Def coaching is not very good. When fewell was here, we had good coaching, but no talent. I think this describes the trouble with the Bills.... They can't seem to put together talent and coaching... It seems they can't identify what type of problem they have in the heat of it. Edited October 22, 2012 by markgbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) My take is..... Currently, we have some talent, but Def coaching is not very good. When fewell was here, we had good coaching, but no talent. I think this describes the trouble with the Bills.... They can't seem to put together talent and coaching... It seems they can't identify what type of problem they have in the heat of it. well, i think they know the problem is centered right up in the LBs and middle of the field, but i dont think theres a good situation short of cheat and hope you dont get exploited elsewhere. talent issues are pretty tough to fix midseason. im still surprised morrison hasnt gotten a shot - how in the world did he fall so far so fast? good for the raiders, and then doesnt do much for the jags and then cant even dress here. he was a hot commodity just 2-3 years ago (i know thats forever in nfl years but still) Edited October 22, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 My take is..... Currently, we have some talent, but Def coaching is not very good. When fewell was here, we had good coaching, but no talent. I think this describes the trouble with the Bills.... They can't seem to put together talent and coaching... It seems they can't identify what type of problem they have in the heat of it. Boy do I miss Perry Fewell.... He certainly looks good for the Giants. I would be very happy with Gailey as OC and Fewell as DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Boy do I miss Perry Fewell.... He certainly looks good for the Giants. I would be very happy with Gailey as OC and Fewell as DC You miss Fewell? I even miss George Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I have to question a play call that has Kyle Williams dropping in to pass coverage. Any coach that calls that sucks and not the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I have to question a play call that has Kyle Williams dropping in to pass coverage. Any coach that calls that sucks and not the player. Titans were covering Scott Chandler w/ a DT.... See the 2nd down play on the last drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I have to question a play call that has Kyle Williams dropping in to pass coverage. Any coach that calls that sucks and not the player. Yeah. Merriman fine as he is used to doing that. Even a Maybin type as he is at least built for it. But Kyle Williams of all people? Maybe will see Gilmore as a nose tackle next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Bronson Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I never thought I would be saying this, but I would rather have George Edwards coaching this defense at this time. Wannstedt has the attitude of a mule, and that will continue to maintain our position at the bottom. I as many thought he would turn this defense around for the better. We got the total opposite.. Edited October 22, 2012 by Roc Bronson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Well they did switch from a 4-3 to 3-4 back to the 4-3 defense. I therefore conclude the players suck moreso than the coaches. suck Organizationally, the GM has waffled on decisions and used resources to cover up his bad decisions. Going from a cover 2 4-3 to a 3-4 and back to a 4-3 under scheme eats up a lot of resources. They tried to accelerate the defensive scheme change and inevitable growing pains by going after UFA's Williams and Anderson. That hasn't worked either. An organization that commits to something as mammoth as a defensive change (or a QB) that fails will always be on the treadmill to nowhere. It's why the Buddy Nix rebuild has failed already: he himself set it back with horrible decisions he needed to get right. And people wonder why real HC's don't want to come to Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Williams is right. The Bills do not have the talent to play completely vanilla passive defense and stop NFL offenses circa 2012. PS: A good question though is what team does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Titans were covering Scott Chandler w/ a DT.... See the 2nd down play on the last drive Doesn't make it right. Titans D blows too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Coaching call's the wildcat and passes out of the wildcat... coaching decides when to go for 2 points instead of 1.. In last nights Steelers game.. they didn't !@#$ around and go for 1.. the tied it going for 2.. Coaching decides when to blitz.. I see plenty of problems with coaching.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 If you don't have the talent to play the scheme at issue, then you have two options: (a) get different players; or (b) change the scheme. We are doing neither. I don't think we have the linebackers to play any scheme. I thought we had the defensive lineman to play the 4-3, but it hasn't worked out that way. Our inexperience at CB would be a problem in any defensive system. So I somewhat agree with you, they need more players. I feel their talent is better suited for the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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