KD in CA Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 In the TB/NYG game, said reciever took two steps while securing the ball, then got hit, fumbling the ball out of bounds. Which by rule is an incomplete pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Exactly right on all counts. This situation reminds me of the baseball umps (althought those guys actually resigned) in 1999 who thought that new umps would be a disaster and force MLB to give in to their demands. It didn't happen then and it's not going to happen now. IMO it's not any worse than normal. People are complaining about missed holding calls and questionable PI calls. What a joke. I haven't seen an NFL game in 30 years that didn't include those things. Is your argument that these refs are making ZERO rookie mistakes? It seems unlikely to me. I'd guess theres got to be soooome learning curve. I've seen some very good games, and some very bad ones. I think there are a few extra blown calls, but not enough to ruin the game. I'll be the first to point out that the old crews messed stuff up too, but it's not as crisp as it needs to be right now. They do have to find their feet though and start calling more confidently. That is a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 They have trouble spotting the ball and players seems to be taking a few more shots at each other than they normally would. This is the biggest difference I've noticed...It's definitely more chippy...And there are little things going unnoticed, maybe even intentionally...But overall I'm kind of surprised they have been this good...Not to say they are good...Just saying I thought this would be a disaster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I thought intentional grpunding was a loss of down?? When KC had that called against them ,there was no down loss. They did lose a down -- the ref SAID it was first down after the play, but the down markers clearly showed 2nd down, so they just announced it wrong. They did miss the call though -- it should've been a 10 yard penalty, but they only marked it back 8 yards (because that's where the grounding occurred). It's only marked at the spot of the foul if it's past the 10 yard mark. Minor issue. And to those complaining about the NYG/TB game -- the refs got that one right too. New rule as of a couple of years ago, but if you get touched, fall to the ground, and don't hang on - it's incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Is your argument that these refs are making ZERO rookie mistakes? It seems unlikely to me. I'd guess theres got to be soooome learning curve. I've seen some very good games, and some very bad ones. I think there are a few extra blown calls, but not enough to ruin the game. I'll be the first to point out that the old crews messed stuff up too, but it's not as crisp as it needs to be right now. They do have to find their feet though and start calling more confidently. That is a big deal. I'm saying I haven't seen any increase in substantive mistakes. Yes, they're a little sloppy; they take a little longer, they require a conference more often, they make minor mistakes like a guy pointing first down in the wrong direction after a turnover, or use of incorrect vernacular. So as you suggest, less "crisp", but basically all minor details. I don't think those things are a big deal at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The replacements aren't great by any stretch, but I think anyone looking at the normal refs and thinking they were perfect needs to remove their rose colored glasses. We have people on the field, watching 22 players smack into each other, errors are going to happen. I imagine, as the year goes on, the refs will continue to improve and the normal refs will have less and less leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walstib Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 It seems to me that (as was mentioned up thread) the games have become chippier and some after the whistle stuff isn't being flagged at all. As a perfect example, during the [very physical] Lions v 49'ers game last night, in the 4th quarter Alex Smith escaped the pocket for a gain, slid feet first (hook-slide = giving himself up) and got hit in the head with a forearm by a diving Lion. The Lion did not leave his feet until Smith was horizontal and sliding. The impact to his head was solid enough that it had Smith bleeding from the nose for the rest of the game...No flag. That's not the type of call that is typically missed by the regular refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Terrible phantom pass interference call in the jets steelers game a few minutes ago. Yes I saw that too. Really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Terrible phantom pass interference call in the jets steelers game a few minutes ago. Good thing that never happens in real games *cough* just give it to 'em *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 the claim was hit to the head however replay shows it was questionable. Both radio and TV guys were suprised about flag since no one was aware of the flag till well after player was being helped up. When I first heard it on the TV broadcast, it sounded to me as if the play was reviewed and then the penalty was called. We had some people over to watch the game and it was a little noisy so I just assumed that I didn’t hear it correctly because I didn’t think you could go back to review a hit to see if it was legal. Or maybe the commentators just never mentioned it. I certainly didn’t see a flag thrown when the play happened or even immediately afterwards. I may have to go check the tape to see that play again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) It seems to me that (as was mentioned up thread) the games have become chippier and some after the whistle stuff isn't being flagged at all. As a perfect example, during the [very physical] Lions v 49'ers game last night, in the 4th quarter Alex Smith escaped the pocket for a gain, slid feet first (hook-slide = giving himself up) and got hit in the head with a forearm by a diving Lion. The Lion did not leave his feet until Smith was horizontal and sliding. The impact to his head was solid enough that it had Smith bleeding from the nose for the rest of the game...No flag. That's not the type of call that is typically missed by the regular refs. This play came to my mind as well, I don't know how the Refs don't see that.. For one, he is a ball carrier in the open field. Second, he is the freaking QB... The only positive that I have noticed is the lack of super team calls... teams like NE aren't getting every critical call in a tight game. Edited September 17, 2012 by kobe808lak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffmonster Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 When I first heard it on the TV broadcast, it sounded to me as if the play was reviewed and then the penalty was called. We had some people over to watch the game and it was a little noisy so I just assumed that I didn’t hear it correctly because I didn’t think you could go back to review a hit to see if it was legal. Or maybe the commentators just never mentioned it. I certainly didn’t see a flag thrown when the play happened or even immediately afterwards. I may have to go check the tape to see that play again. That is why I was asking. I haven't reviewed the game, but being there live I did not see any flags, nor did anyone around me. It appeared after a review or something they came out and called for the penalty, which I did not think was even possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 at the game on one of cj runs he ran outta bounds not tackled never hit the ground stayed on his feet but the clock kept running Clock only stops when players run out of bounds in certain situations. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think it's the last 2 mins of the first half and the last five minutes of the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I believe if there was an illegal hit on the injured player, there isn't a timeout called. And the TB-NYG call was awful. Changed the outcome of that game completely. Former head of officials Mike Pereriaalso said he would have called it incomplete. Not that it means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Watching a lot of other NFL games not just the Bills does anyone feel that the Replacement Refs are letting a little more go as far as pass interference, holding, and generally letting the game get a little more physical esp compared to the last two seasons where it seems like they have been trying to limit the physical nature of defense. Although they are still protecting the QB's and calling head hit but I feel like the game is a little more loosely called. Anyone else feel this watching these games. Agree, especially Pass Interference and holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I know that some in here think it's not a problem. I disagree. It's a crapshoot out there. It's like a box of chocolates. You don't know what you're gonna get. But there's a pretty good chance it won't be very good. The media is all over this. Get the real blind men back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm saying I haven't seen any increase in substantive mistakes. Yes, they're a little sloppy; they take a little longer, they require a conference more often, . So as you suggest, less "crisp", but basically all minor details. I don't think those things are a big deal at all. I doubt they're a big deal to the players either, but to me as a viewer they are becoming annoying. I love the game of football but I have absolutely zero interest in watching guys standing around trying to figure out what they're supposed to be doing or shutting a game down for 3+ minutes to review multiple spurious calls. I'll deal with it in the short term as they are batting .500 right now ( 1 good week, 1 very bad week) and I'm not so spoiled I can't tolerate it; but I know myself well enough that if it continues in the vein that it did this week, there's no doubt in my mind that I'll be watching less ball because of it. I can't be the only one that feels that way and if the league recognizes that fact they'd be wise to be more willing to move a little in their ongoing negotiations with the experienced officials. The people complaining about the replacements are the same who moan about the "real refs" every week. Little credibility here. So even though I clearly stated in my title that the refs were good in Week 1, I have little credibility because I moan about the refs every week? Since I've been posting here for well over 10 years, there's probably about 200 regular season games that have occurred in that time. Which according to you mean's that you should be able to find 200 posts of me moaning about officiating. Being that you are a poster with zero credibility who never manages to contribute anything to this forum but rude commentary and insults towards others, I certainly don't expect you to be willing to find the 200 examples of my moaning which you claim to exist. So instead I will make it much easier for you; how about if you go and find just one of the 200 examples of me moaning about officiating every week. If you can do so, then fine. If you cannot, then shut your ignorant mouth and keep your repetitive, insulting garbage out of my threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Really don't see much difference between the replacement refs & the regular refs. Holding, Pass Interference, Out of Bounds Hits, "Late" hits, & Roughing the QB have ALWAYS been very subjective......and they continue to be so with these replacement guys. I have always contended that Holding could be called on EVERY play, if the refs wanted to call it. Even with the regular refs, Pass Interference has ALWAYS been called VERY inconsistently from game to game, week to week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) And the refs just lost control again Did one just get hit in that fight? That's a BIG mistake by the officials and goes back to control, respect and confidence issues I was speaking about earlier. Can't control guys when your busy figuring out the calls. And I still think that was Denver's ball. How'd Atlanta get it?!? Edited September 18, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 They look pretty bad tonight. I dont envy being in their shoes, but this is looking ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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