mrags Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 OK.....I VERY rarely do this.....but to the certain poster in the shout today who jumped all over me for suggesting that Nix might be looking another way for a BACKUP QB because Thigpen and Vince Young have not shown well this offseason......well.....maybe you shouldnt be so quick to jump on posters for their opinion...... This is a Buddy Nix type move......a glaring weakness shows up on the team.....it is identified.....and Nix addressed it. And they addressed it with a QB with starting NFL experience.....not over the hill.......this is the KIND of move I thought they might be talking about..... Because I couldnt provide the name of who they might get....I was attacked......perhaps your knowledge isnt so strong. No apology needed.....but maybe you should be more respectful of your fellow posters simple opinions.....apparently you do NOT know more. Not quite sure who you were speaking with but it does sound like you deserve an atta boy. I'd also like to point out that this all might not be for just the 2nd string QB. There is A LOT of shuffling at the QB position this offseason and it's no suprise Fitz has looked horrible at times. I'm not saying it will happen but I could really see this and all the other QB moves as Chan and Buddy showing thier hand that they are not sold on Fitz at this point. If Fitz is closer to the end of last season that the beginning of last season, we could see a QB controversy as soon as week 4 IMO. Again, not saying it will happen or I think it's in th works, but the whole situation just sounds fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) John, your theory makes sense. I haven't been able to watch any preseason games but from what I've read on here it would be a debacle if Fitz missed some games. Although Tarvaris won't set the world on fire, he's someone who I think Gailey can work with and hold the rains for a bit. I'd be more comfortable with him in than VY or Thigpen for sure. Honestly at this early stage, without even knowing what Gailey can do with him, I'd feel better about upgrading the back up qb situation next off season. But for now this is an upgrade and for cheap imo. I'm fine with this. Some may want Fitz to be upgraded but that is a totally different discussion. I'm curious to see if Gailey will try to mold the offense to Tarvaris' strengths if he happens to be called upon. My own personal opinion..... - The bills knew Thigpen wasnt the answer last year - They took a chance that VY might have something.......but he was slow to grasp the playbook....then in a short amount of time in the preseason game before last he looked decent......but then he fell like a ton of bricks when he got extended time against Pittsburgs backups......his body language and play looked VERY bad.....almost like it was affecting the other players I cant even describe it....... It was after that game if I wonder Nix and Gailey started talking about what happens if Fitz goes down for any period of time this year......NEITHER of our backups have shown any reason that they might be able to manage the team.....they saw an opportunity get get a QB who was young......was a recent starter.......wasnt a locker room cancer.......who has PLAYOFF experience. And they took a chance with a draft pick so late that they might not even make the team anyway Personally....I dont understand the complaint......for a 5-6th round pick you are getting a young veteran QB....for your backup......if he was a great QB then he would be starting somewhere.......even the seattle hawk fans think he is the perfect backup QB......so why wouldnt he be the perfect backup QB fo us? Kudos to Nix for trying to fix a glaring problem on this team the best way he can Edited August 27, 2012 by Pilsner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 . The Vince Young / Tyler Thigpen era is over. Have you ever seen such dreadful backup QB's? http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/image.php?productid=20704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 FWIW- I was listening to a broadcast of the Pro Football Weekly radio show, which was recorded on Friday. They were going around to their various "team insiders" and the guy who covers the Packers said that the Packers very much coveted Jackson. They are worried about their backup QB situation as well. Apparently, their coaching staff really likes Jackson... the insider guy said that if, for some reason, they were not able to get Jackson (he speculated they would trade for him, to ensure it) they would have to go to the less attractive "plan b" in Colt McCoy. The Seahawks insider indicated that Jackson really wanted out of Seattle, and told the Seahawks he would be willing to restructure his contract, for another team, and was willing to take a pay-cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 this is a good move fitzpatrick could go down at any moment and right now our backup options are TERRIBLE tarvares is above average as far as backup qbs go - he's obviously way below average for a starter but for a backup he's pretty solid a 6th rounder isn't a very high price really and if fitz misses a week or two i think tarvares would give us a little bit better chance of winning than young or thigpen it's all about winning NOW since we have the softest schedule this season that we will see for a while In the likely event that Fitz falls flat on his face trying to run our quirky offense, can we bench him and put in T. Jackson? How many wins can we expect in that scenario? This deal is the most retarded thing I've seen us do in a while. It equals more IN-security at a vital position, and more security for a QB who DOES NOT deserve it. The only good that comes from this will be the ouster of Buddy, Chan, and their smarty-pants QB. -That's all I'm really looking forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Well I suppose that's one way to look at it. So the Bills would be more secure with VY and Thigpen as backups? You have more optimism in those two than I do. It's good to know you are looking forward to Buddy and Chan being ousted. I guess they should stop trying to improve the team pronto and give up before yet another informed fan criticizes them. In the likely event that Fitz falls flat on his face trying to run our quirky offense, can we bench him and put in T. Jackson? How many wins can we expect in that scenario? This deal is the most retarded thing I've seen us do in a while. It equals more IN-security at a vital position, and more security for a QB who DOES NOT deserve it. The only good that comes from this will be the ouster of Buddy, Chan, and their smarty-pants QB. -That's all I'm really looking forward to. Edited August 27, 2012 by Pilsner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 In the likely event that Fitz falls flat on his face trying to run our quirky offense, can we bench him and put in T. Jackson? How many wins can we expect in that scenario? This deal is the most retarded thing I've seen us do in a while. It equals more IN-security at a vital position, and more security for a QB who DOES NOT deserve it. The only good that comes from this will be the ouster of Buddy, Chan, and their smarty-pants QB. -That's all I'm really looking forward to. Wow, I just can't understand this perspective at all. Were you feeling this way during the first half of last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 There's one thing that really bothers me about this trade, if it goes through, and if it doesn't, about the attempt itself. The Bills KNEW - as others here have said - what they had in Thigpen going back to last season. One of their top priorities this offseason should have been upgrading the QB situation. Now, they brought in Young, and I'm guessing they thought he had all the skills of a franchise QB, maybe they could "FIX" him, and just have failed at the attempt. What bothers me is the Bills, for a 3rd round pick in the 2012 draft, could have taken the guy who made Jackson so expendable. We could have had a guy - who by my own, unprofessional eye, looked like he had all the skills of a franchise QB, and who looked as good as Griffin or Luck, minus the 3 or 4 inches - and they pass on him! Now, we're willing to deal a 5th, maybe, or a 6th, for a guy who is nowhere near as talented or capable. Wouldn't the 3rd round pick for a really excellent QB prospect be better spent than all the time, money, and picks we've now invested in what will be a mediocre prospect? I know hindsight is 20/20, but these guys should have known how good this kid was (Wilson), and they should have been more urgent about bringing in young talent - BUT, I THINK THE BILLS DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IN ACTUAL COMPETITION FOR FITZPATRICK - because they just gave him the mega contract, and they didn't want to make him nervous. I think they wanted to give him one year without having to look over his shoulder to prove himself. In the end it all points to one thing - the Bills need to get better at evaluating talent, or they're going to pay for it in ways like this, wasting picks, being unprepared for seasons, and having inferior talent. In the NFL the rich get richer because they tend to see the good fruit where no one else can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Can't anyone be happy that they are at least trying to improve the team at every opportunity? TJ is a great pickup at this point. Instead it's just "whinewhinewhine". I hear ya dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 There's one thing that really bothers me about this trade, if it goes through, and if it doesn't, about the attempt itself. The Bills KNEW - as others here have said - what they had in Thigpen going back to last season. One of their top priorities this offseason should have been upgrading the QB situation. Now, they brought in Young, and I'm guessing they thought he had all the skills of a franchise QB, maybe they could "FIX" him, and just have failed at the attempt. What bothers me is the Bills, for a 3rd round pick in the 2012 draft, could have taken the guy who made Jackson so expendable. We could have had a guy - who by my own, unprofessional eye, looked like he had all the skills of a franchise QB, and who looked as good as Griffin or Luck, minus the 3 or 4 inches - and they pass on him! Now, we're willing to deal a 5th, maybe, or a 6th, for a guy who is nowhere near as talented or capable. Wouldn't the 3rd round pick for a really excellent QB prospect be better spent than all the time, money, and picks we've now invested in what will be a mediocre prospect? I know hindsight is 20/20, but these guys should have known how good this kid was (Wilson), and they should have been more urgent about bringing in young talent - BUT, I THINK THE BILLS DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IN ACTUAL COMPETITION FOR FITZPATRICK - because they just gave him the mega contract, and they didn't want to make him nervous. I think they wanted to give him one year without having to look over his shoulder to prove himself. In the end it all points to one thing - the Bills need to get better at evaluating talent, or they're going to pay for it in ways like this, wasting picks, being unprepared for seasons, and having inferior talent. In the NFL the rich get richer because they tend to see the good fruit where no one else can. Stop with the could have had Wilson nonsense I believe he was looked at as a person who would be available when they picked in the fourth round and so did most draft gurus. Yes Wilson would have been a good pick but I will bet my communion dollars that if the bills had drafted him the third the board would have gone insane or should I say continue the insanity that seems to have affected this place more and more each day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 In the likely event that Fitz falls flat on his face trying to run our quirky offense, can we bench him and put in T. Jackson? How many wins can we expect in that scenario? This deal is the most retarded thing I've seen us do in a while. It equals more IN-security at a vital position, and more security for a QB who DOES NOT deserve it. The only good that comes from this will be the ouster of Buddy, Chan, and their smarty-pants QB. -That's all I'm really looking forward to. wow.... and on a school night no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hplarrm Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 My GUESS is that what this trade likely means is a large devaluation of the hope that VY or Thigpen is a hoped for answer IF Fitzy goes down AND for immediate use as a back-up for Smith in the Wildcat. Does anyone disagree with this after 2 INTs for VY against Pitts? Getting a former starter in this role only likely makes the team better so whats the problem here with this? The best thing to hope for here is that Gailey sees some specific main problem with Jackson's game that the thinks he can solve (word is that Jackson hangs onto the ball too long and perhaps Gailey will work to have Jackson adopt a 1.2.3 clock in his head and it is emphasized he is better off throwing an incompletion than holding onto the ball after a count of 3 fixes this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) In the likely event that Fitz falls flat on his face trying to run our quirky offense, can we bench him and put in T. Jackson? How many wins can we expect in that scenario? This deal is the most retarded thing I've seen us do in a while. It equals more IN-security at a vital position, and more security for a QB who DOES NOT deserve it. The only good that comes from this will be the ouster of Buddy, Chan, and their smarty-pants QB. -That's all I'm really looking forward to. Holy cow, some fans that still don't get that the ONLY reason the Bills "quirky" offense works is because of Fitz. Here is the reason that the Seahawks made him expendable..."But he also had no TD passes, six interceptions and nine sacks in the final two minutes of halves, which helped prompt the club’s search that led it to Wilson and Flynn" http://blog.seahawks...off-to-buffalo/ Doesn't it strike anyone else as odd that Chan Gailey couldn't get. Trent Edwards- Brian Brohm- Levi Brown- Tyler Thigpen- Brad Smith- Vince Young to flourish in his system. All round pegs being forced into square holes.Thigen has got to be the biggest enigma of the bunch as he played almost full year under Gailey back in 08 when Gailey was the OC for the Chiefs. I only agree to the first half of that second statement,and only agree with part of the final. I think this is the last year for Chan Gailey / Buddy Nix...unless they manage to get Fitz killed behind that line and in that constantly shotgun passing scheme. Edited August 27, 2012 by Fear the Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 pft says a 5 or 6 round pick Why give up a 5th or 6th pik for a medicore QB like the current ones we already have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I like it. VY has clearly been mediocre. We didn't pay much for him, so I don't feel bad about ditching him. TJ looks...well, I would be furious if he was the starter. But I don't have a problem with him as backup yet. Let's see how he does in game 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Man Vince Young blew it. I was hoping he make it . But my question is when will the Bills draft a QB that has some REAL skills. Trading for some team retreads is getting old to me. Still not convinced Fitz is the guy. I hope he can do it. The Bills really ought to invest in a QB high next year it seems to be working for lets see.. Bengals, Vikings,Fins( hope not ) Jags, Colts, Redskins,Seattle has all drafted QBs for the future. Our scouts have missed on these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Hopefully now this proves to the Bills FO that they need to draft a QB within the first 3 picks in next years draft. *fingers crossed* CBF Edited August 27, 2012 by Canadian_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I checked the Seattle boards, and they feel pretty happy with things. They would be happy with a 5th round pick, and they think that TJ, while a decent player, would be a lockerroom cancer with Flynn and their new rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 if the titans can get to a superbowl with mcnair, then the bills can with tavaris if fitz goes down... hes an incredible athlete with a much more cerebral approach... great pickup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Wouldn't he have been cut anyways? Granted it wouldn't be till after the Detroit game but still possible. Would there have been a rush to get him? They would probably want to bring him in now so he can get as much time as possible to learn the Bills offense CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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