dave mcbride Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 For those interested in the Seau story, I strongly recommend this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130110/fred-mccrary/?sct=uk_wr_a1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Not exactly the same but well intertwined I imagine- really interesting writeup on Jason Taylor and nearly losing a leg during his career. Painkillers, injuries, and wanting to risk a leg to avoid missing a couple weeks all covered.... Really just unbelievable. Do read the extended when you get a chance - even if you are busy now and just do the quick one.... The full only will take a few minutes later.  Cliff notes: http://deadspin.com/5975548/jason-taylor-went-through-absolute-hell-to-play-football  Full article(worth reading) http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/13/v-fullstory/3179926/dan-le-batard-jason-taylors-pain.html#storylink=cpy Edited January 14, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Not exactly the same but well intertwined I imagine- really interesting writeup on Jason Taylor and nearly losing a leg during his career. Painkillers, injuries, and wanting to risk a leg to avoid missing a couple weeks all covered.... Really just unbelievable. Do read the extended when you get a chance - even if you are busy now and just do the quick one.... The full only will take a few minutes later.  Cliff notes: http://deadspin.com/...o-play-football  Full article(worth reading) http://www.miamihera...l#storylink=cpy  WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Â Â WOW Â Yea - I'm still working on what to say about it.... It hit me hard a couple times. The imagery of the training room filled with quotes pressuring guys to play hurt (such as "be players not patients") was a bit upsetting. Â At some point.... It's just a game... Just a job.... Isn't it? It's like they don't realize there's still real life to live. I knew guys struggled with that but this one really drove it home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Peter King's column addresses this issue. He spoke with a former NFL player who now studies depression in players. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130115/nfl-playoffs-peyton-manning-peter-king/?sct=uk_t12_a5 Â With the ABC/ESPN report last week that Junior Seau's brain contained evidence of brain disease caused by multiple hits to the head, it is now imperative, obviously, that the league do as much as possible for the mental health of ex-players -- and that efforts continue to remove helmet-to-helmet hits from the game.I also think, other than chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), there are other causes to be considered -- namely, depression and post-career transition, both of which could have been major points of emphasis in the decline and death of Seau. This morning, I spoke with former Lions quarterback Eric Hipple, now an outreach specialist with the University of Michigan's Depression Center. He's a victim of depression himself, and his 15-year-old son killed himself in 2000 after suffering from depression. He was between sessions, he said, with a former NFL player who is depressed. That shouldn't be a surprise, he said, given the results of a NFL Players Association poll of former players, in which 15 percent of 1,600 players polled said they have felt moderately to severely depressed since the end of their careers; the national average for men is about nine to 12 percent. "There is no doubt in my mind that CTE creates problems with some former players, and it's a contributor to depression for sure,'' said Hipple. "CTE certainly can exacerbate depression. But CTE has become a catch-bag for every problem now, and I don't think it should be. Jovan Belcher happens [the murder of his girlfriend, and Belcher's suicide], and everybody wonders if CTE did it. There is simply no data to confirm that CTE is the dominant reason for suicide.'' Hipple believes the transition from a football life to a civilian one is the most difficult one to handle. "When players leave football, I've found almost every one goes through a process of thinking, 'What do I do now? What's my identity now?' Their support system was taken away. All of a sudden, the support system, the friends, the money, the identity, is gone. If I want to see a doctor, I've got to make an appointment; I don't have a doctor available to me at all times. It's pretty devastating when you get cut. Or you get injured, and you're released. But nobody ever talks about it. It's a traumatic event. Look at research on ostracism. Psychologically, it's tough. That in itself can lead to depression. "Then you get out in the world, and, let's say you've been in the NFL for eight years. You find yourself competing for a job against people who have been in the line of work for eight years. You've been working hard on football, and now you're way behind everyone when you go out in the field. Then you add the chronic pain, which some players have. And people saying to you, 'You played the greatest game in the world? I would have done anything to be able to do that. What can be wrong with you?' '' Hipple's advice to the NFL (and he has spoken to commissioner Roger Goodell about this): The day a player gets cut, debrief him -- tell him about the post-career resources available to him, and emphasize mental health care; connect him to a post-career support system. "I'm as mentally healthy as I've ever been, and it's because of education,'' he said. He wishes he could have had a chance to speak with Seau before his suicide last May -- but he says he wishes he could talk to every former player to tell them there's hope, even if a player has a brain injury, to deal with the depression that might be plaguing them. CTE, Hipple believes, should be part of a mosaic of the post-career player issues. But it shouldn't be the only thing experts study when lives go so tragically wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Yea - I'm still working on what to say about it.... It hit me hard a couple times. The imagery of the training room filled with quotes pressuring guys to play hurt (such as "be players not patients") was a bit upsetting. Â At some point.... It's just a game... Just a job.... Isn't it? It's like they don't realize there's still real life to live. I knew guys struggled with that but this one really drove it home. No, this isn't pressuring guys to play hurt. Playing hurt is the general standard set as early as high school. It's football. You're always going to be hurt. Â This is about pressuring players to play injured, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Â No, this isn't pressuring guys to play hurt. Playing hurt is the general standard set as early as high school. It's football. You're always going to be hurt. Â This is about pressuring players to play injured, Â a fair correction to the language i used.... Â rough article all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 My brain is damaged leaving san diego for the charlotte metro area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ucla researchers think they've found a way to detect CTE in living patients  http://news.discovery.com/human/health/football-brain-injuries-imaged-130122.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ucla researchers think they've found a way to detect CTE in living patients  http://news.discover...aged-130122.htm You really shouldn't let them hook a turbo-powered vacuum to your ear though.  http://instantrimshot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 @ProFootballTalk Seau estate sues NFL http://wp.me/p14QSB-6YDH Â Â Could see this coming from 10 miles away since the CTE announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Assumption of the Risk. Â Either play and make millions with the understanding you might be injured or go work as a television announcer. The choice is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Assumption of the Risk. Â Either play and make millions with the understanding you might be injured or go work as a television announcer. The choice is yours. Â The NFL denied any link between brain injury and football for many years. There has to be some liability on the part of the NFL given the lack of candor on the issue. Edited January 23, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Opportunism at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 This is really just about money isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 This is really just about money isn't it? Â Well, I bet they're not suing for the NFL to make it safer. Although we'll hear a lot of comments about that being the case. Then they'll say something along the lines, "The only way to make the NFL take this seriously is to make them pay!". If they manage to win, they'll make a token donation and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 This is really just about money isn't it? It usually is. But the choice is to play football and take the risk, or not to play (or be a kicker I guess). The problem is that decision generally comes at a very young age and is driven not by the kids themselves, but by their parents. By the time they hit high school they continue to play because that's what they have done their entire lives up to that point. Â The NFL is trying to do something about it now. But without game altering rule changes nothing is going to help very much, Â My sons both asked to play when they were young. Mainly because of watching the Bills games with me. They were never allowed to. They did not like it at the time, but they are getting old enough now to understand the reasoning behind the decision and are grateful for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 1. Fraudulent Concealment 2. Fraud 3. Negligent Misrepresentation 4. Negligence 5. Negligent Hiring 6. Negligent Retention 7. Wrongful Death – NFL Defendants 8. Wrongful Death – Riddell Defendants  http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/!invesitgations%20and%20enterprise%20docs/seau_complaint_-_superior_court.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Absolutely ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Probably the same family that pushed him to be a pro football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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