Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Since the second half of last season I have been critical of Fitzy's arm strength and accuracy. However with QB coach Lee working on his mechanics for the first time ever I am hopeful that he can overcome his flaws and be the franchise QB that we have long waited for because he has decision making and mobility of the top QBs already. I was on the bandwagon last year because I wanted Fitz to be good but then reality hit and got thrown off like a bad accident with no seatbelt. So now I'm officially back on, don't let me down Fitz. Edited May 30, 2012 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Since the second half of last season I have been critical of Fitzy's arm strength and accuracy. However with QB coach Lee working on his mechanics for the first time ever I am hopeful that he can overcome his flaws and be the franchise QB that we have long waited for because he has decision making and mobility of the top QBs already. I was on the bandwagon last year because I wanted Fitz to be good but then reality hit and got thrown off like a bad accident with no seatbelt. So now I'm officially back on, don't let me down Fitz. I think we all hope he can improve. He shows flashes of being really good and then he makes some really bad throws at very inopportune times. Hopefully the coaching will help his mechanics and he can get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivermont Mike Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Since the second half of last season I have been critical of Fitzy's arm strength and accuracy. However with QB coach Lee working on his mechanics for the first time ever I am hopeful that he can overcome his flaws and be the franchise QB that we have long waited for because he has decision making and mobility of the top QBs already. I was on the bandwagon last year because I wanted Fitz to be good but then reality hit and got thrown off like a bad accident with no seatbelt. So now I'm officially back on, don't let me down Fitz. You're taking into consideration the broken rib in the second half of last season, right? The work on his mechanics should help--making a throw to the left with more accuracy = fewer DBs jumping the route and taking it to the house. Right there with you on wanting him to be the guy. He's got that workmanlike quality that fits the Bills and Buffalo. Save me some room on the FitzWagon--I'm climbing back on with my #12 jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) I just don't ever see him throwin the ball like a Brady,manning, Rodgers, etc. where we're ultimately headed with him I just don't know. Edited May 30, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 where we're ultimately headed with him I just don't know. Great point and exactly how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) I just don't ever see him throwin the ball like a Brady,manning, Rodgers, etc. where we're ultimately headed with him I just don't know. No, you're right. And there 20+ other teams in the league that would say the same thing about their QB. But is he "good enough?" I do think so. Let's Hope! Edited May 30, 2012 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy G Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 with mechanics fine tuned and protection and weapons in place Fitz will be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Maybe you missed out when Fitz played with cracked ribs last season. I know it's a lameass excuse and all. Did you also know Fitz went to Harvard? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 He played well during the first 7 games, until injury/injuries hit. If he's been throwing all this time without proper mechanics, there's reason to believe he can improve. This is the first time in his NFL career that he's had a full off-season as the undisputed starter going into a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan369 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 There is little doubt that with this defence he should have more chances to get er done!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 On top of the mechanics, I think he needs more control over the huddle. He's a smart man and has the capability to call his own plays, if there's such a thing. I think more input on the plays in the playbook would help, too. Just more overall control on the offensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivermont Mike Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I just don't ever see him throwin the ball like a Brady,manning, Rodgers, etc. where we're ultimately headed with him I just don't know. Yeah, minus the fabulous hair, super-model wife, and 'lil Wes Welker to dink and dunk to 700 times a game, there is no way he can throw like a Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Since the second half of last season I have been critical of Fitzy's arm strength and accuracy. However with QB coach Lee working on his mechanics for the first time ever I am hopeful that he can overcome his flaws and be the franchise QB that we have long waited for because he has decision making and mobility of the top QBs already. I was on the bandwagon last year because I wanted Fitz to be good but then reality hit and got thrown off like a bad accident with no seatbelt. So now I'm officially back on, don't let me down Fitz. Fitz didn't let me down last season, the play calling did! Then after the season when I found that Fitz was honestly injured during the Redskin game in week 8, it even magnified the situation in my view. How does the playcaller keep calling for shotgun, empty backfield 4-5 WR sets with one good WR and a banged up QB the last half of the season? Even when RB Freddy Jackson was healthy and doing good during some games he was underutilized in games, as was Spiller later on. It seemed that every time the Bills would lose the lead the play caller would go in an all out desperation mode trying to catch up or get the lead. The opponent would then pin their ears back and blitz Fitz and go into constant nickle and dime coverages. So Fitz was constantly throwing right into the teeth of the defense. This constant pass happy tactic was the very last thing I expected out of an experienced NFL play caller and was exactly the same stuff we all saw with rookie OC's in Turk Schonert & AVP. It was particularly disappointing considering how the season started with Fred Jackson dominating games on the ground. I realize the LT position was banged up early on, but it should be far easier to run block then to pass block. The wheels came off completely against the Jets in week 9 when center Eric Wood went out for the year, the Bills were never the same after that game. It looked like opposing teams had figured out how to defend the Bills short, quick passing scheme and the Bills OC had no plan B, and didn't want to build a dedicated running attack. It was the same stuff almost every game after that, the Bills lose the lead and go into complete desperation passing mode, and don't use the running game very often.... even when its working very well. I gotta hand it to Fitz that he was able to even play at all. Cracked ribs are the most painful injury, you can't even breathe. Every move is painful. I can't imagine trying to throw so much and so often. Both Fitz and Stevie Johnson get the iron-man award for last seasons gut it out performances while playing with very difficult injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Since the second half of last season I have been critical of Fitzy's arm strength and accuracy. However with QB coach Lee working on his mechanics for the first time ever I am hopeful that he can overcome his flaws and be the franchise QB that we have long waited for because he has decision making and mobility of the top QBs already. I was on the bandwagon last year because I wanted Fitz to be good but then reality hit and got thrown off like a bad accident with no seatbelt. So now I'm officially back on, don't let me down Fitz. So since Tally whacker is a dolphin your back with Fitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Well there was a headline linked to tbd yesterday titled FITZ LEARNS HOW TO THROW. It's a Little late for that IMO. Put up or shut up or ride the pine is my advice for fitz. He is average, hopefully he plays well enough for buff to win. I root for the guy but he needs an arm replacement His ribs....his wrs....his defense....no more excuses......Show me the money fitz ! Fitz is terrible prove me wrong ya bearded big bang theory castoff. Run run and then run again Chan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Well there was a headline linked to tbd yesterday titled FITZ LEARNS HOW TO THROW. It's a Little late for that IMO. Put up or shut up or ride the pine is my advice for fitz. He is average, hopefully he plays well enough for buff to win. I root for the guy but he needs an arm replacement His ribs....his wrs....his defense....no more excuses......Show me the money baby fitz ! Fitz is terrible prove me wrong ya bearded big bang theory castoff. Run run and then run again Chan I think that's the saying, right? Edited May 30, 2012 by Teen Insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Since the second half of last season I have been critical of Fitzy's arm strength and accuracy. However with QB coach Lee working on his mechanics for the first time ever I am hopeful that he can overcome his flaws and be the franchise QB that we have long waited for because he has decision making and mobility of the top QBs already. I was on the bandwagon last year because I wanted Fitz to be good but then reality hit and got thrown off like a bad accident with no seatbelt. So now I'm officially back on, don't let me down Fitz. See this is where I fundamentally disagree with the "bandwagoners" actually. His "decision making" is much more of a myth than a fact. People just assume he is this great decision maker because he went to Harvard and the staff says he is smart. This is a radical difference in being very intelligent (which I have no doubt he is) and a good decision maker. He makes a lot of POOR decisions on the field and it leads to a lot of turnovers, 3 and outs, incomplete passes, dropped gimme INT's by the D, bad sacks, etc. In fact, I would argue that its been his decision making a lot more than his arm strength that has led him to be such a high INT guy. Frequently, he throws into double and triple coverage when better throws were there. Frequently, he makes a throw too soon or too late. Frequently, he tries to force throws to guys who are not open...etc, etc. I would love to see this QB coach fix his mechanics, as that would be a big step in the right direction because he is woefully inconsistent with his accuracy. But to say his decision making is already among the top QB's around the league is just not true at this point. He needs to start making better decisions as well. I hope that a better all around team and better mechanics will help in his decision making where he can make smarter throws and not feel the need to push, but only way to know is to get out in the game with the bullets flying. I remain cautiously optimistic, but still have a lot of concerns over him. Edited May 30, 2012 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 So since Tally whacker is a dolphin your back with Fitz? Damn I came to this thread just to post this... beat me to it! As for Fitz I'm not on the bandwagon yet. Seems every time I climb on he falls off the wagon (see what I did there). Last year the injury def had an effect, as did the injuries around him but I've only ever seen flashes of him being good not long stretches (yes they went 5-2 last year but he wasn't good in all of those games i.e. Giants game). I want to believe and he plays for the Bills so he gets the benefit of the doubt but I'll wait to get on the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Maybe you missed out when Fitz played with cracked ribs last season. I know it's a lameass excuse and all. Did you also know Fitz went to Harvard? PTR Cracked ribs didn't do him any favors for sure. If Fitz can consistently hit the deep ball and keep defenses honest, I think he will have a big year. Obviously you need protection for the deep route to develop and receivers that can get off the line and actually catch. Last year it seemed to me that opposing defenses dared Buff to beat them over the top. The Jets drew the blue print. Jam our WRs at the line, sit on the short routes, and blitz. Fitz isn't afraid to pull the trigger, but those passes need to be completed to back off the D and open up the underneath stuff that Fitz thrives on. A few of those passes went through D. Jones fingers, too many were badly underthrown. Was it ribs, was it poor protection, poor receiver play, or is the deep ball Fitz's fatal flaw? All of the above? One thing is pretty clear, for the last 4 years, once theres a little game tape, defenses dare us to go deep and we haven't been able to make them pay. Why does it feel like every year is the make or break year for a Bills QB, and after the season we are no closer to knowing whether the guy can play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 See this is where I fundamentally disagree with the "bandwagoners" actually. His "decision making" is much more of a myth than a fact. People just assume he is this great decision maker because he went to Harvard and the staff says he is smart. This is a radical difference in being very intelligent (which I have no doubt he is) and a good decision maker. He makes a lot of POOR decisions on the field and it leads to a lot of turnovers, 3 and outs, incomplete passes, dropped gimme INT's by the D, bad sacks, etc. In fact, I would argue that its been his decision making a lot more than his arm strength that has led him to be such a high INT guy. Frequently, he throws into double and triple coverage when better throws were there. Frequently, he makes a throw too soon or too late. Frequently, he tries to force throws to guys who are not open...etc, etc. I would love to see this QB coach fix his mechanics, as that would be a big step in the right direction because he is woefully inconsistent with his accuracy. But to say his decision making is already among the top QB's around the league is just not true at this point. He needs to start making better decisions as well. I hope that a better all around team and better mechanics will help in his decision making where he can make smarter throws and not feel the need to push, but only way to know is to get out in the game with the bullets flying. I remain cautiously optimistic, but still have a lot of concerns over him. I think it's more accurate to say he makes quick decisions. He gets the ball out quickly often and that helps keep the sacks down. But, yeah, sometimes you wonder what the heck he's doing. He'll never be a Brady or Brees, but I do think he can a contributing member of a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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