Draft: what do you do if at #10

[OldTimer1960]

Stop letting facts get in the way of the anti-Floyd campaign.

 

Unless Notre Dame campus police frequent Minneapolis, I don't the the "citation" was an on-campus issue.

 

I am not saying that Floyd should not be considered, only that you can't dismiss 3 incident involving the law

as a complete non-issue. Each team needs to evaluate his talent level and risk level and determine at what

point in the draft his talent outweighs their perceived risk.

[NewEra]

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I know the scenario is not probable as some have pointed out -- but the draft going like this is at least possible:

 

1) IND - Luck

2) WAS- RG3

3) MN - Kalil

4) CLE- Claiborne

5) TAM - Richardson

6) STL - Poe

7) JAX - Ingram - want a versatile pass rusher

8) MIA - Probably Tannehill -- but could be Couples if Jax starts the run on rushers which are premium

9) CAR- Cox

 

Even with this -- 4 of the 5 are possible.

 

I can't see any chance that the rams select Poe over Blackmon. It would be pure stupidity. They have to get their QB some WRs and Blackmon is a great start. Poe looked amazing at the combine.. He looked pretty good During games. His teams defense was absolutely atrocious. Point is, the rams would be idiots to draft Poe ahead of Blackmon.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Blackmon would be a steal at 10. We'd be stupid to pass on that

 

This

[NastyMan]

i say pick Tannehill. The reason being, since Nix and Co. took over they have done a good job of finding talent late in the draft or off other teams practice squad or scrubs and making something out of them. Our team is getting bigger on both sides of the ball. No LT is worthy of the 10th pick in my opinion except Kalil but he will be long gone. I believe in building a team from the inside out (meaning starting with the line)and that to me looks like the same road Nix is taking, except for the spiller pick. I mean his second pick was Troup (he hasn't come around yet but as a back up in the 4-3 he could be a force), Darues last year (nuff said that was a can't miss pick), Sheppard, and Carrington. I know there is more just can't look them up right now due to a time crunch. And most of his skill guys have been the scrubs or cast offs, and have been performing ok. Fitz, was luck, and a proven back-up before joining the Bills. I like Fitz, but he is not the answer at QB. If Tannehill is there why take him with #10. I don't think he will be around but who knows. I think if anyone trades with us it would be Cleveland with their late round pick, and the only way I would do that is this years #1 and next years #1. That would be a no brainer and a different topic all together. As for Tannehill, he proved himself at his work-out day. By far the third best QB in the draft and if there was any doubters he proved them wrong. He played in a similar system then we play while at Texas A&M, so he would instantly be an upgrade from Thigpen and push Fitz to his max while learning the pro system from him. So what do we have to lose. JMO.

[1B4IDie]

Unless Notre Dame campus police frequent Minneapolis, I don't the the "citation" was an on-campus issue.

 

I am not saying that Floyd should not be considered, only that you can't dismiss 3 incident involving the law

as a complete non-issue. Each team needs to evaluate his talent level and risk level and determine at what

point in the draft his talent outweighs their perceived risk.

I stand corrected only 1 incident was on campus, still just 1 arrest.

 

Yes the point is exactly what you made and I underlined. They incidents are definitely not little deals. They definitely need to be weighted properly.

 

It is important to know one what they are.

 

Here is a factual summary of the 3 incidents:

 

 

Incident #1 - 5/15/2009 Sited for underage drinking. According to a Hennepin County District Court, Minnesota spokeswoman Michael Floyd plead guilty through a hearing officer on June 15 2009.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523'>http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

 

Incident #2 01/08/10 - Notre Dame sophomore WR Michael Floyd, a leading prospect for the 2011 draft, was cited for underage consumption of alcohol after an altercation at a house party in Minneapolis. Floyd wasn‘t arrested, but was cited for underage consumption of liquor, a misdemeanor.

 

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Michael-Floyd.html

 

Incident #3 3/20/11 3:18 a.m - Floyd was driving a white Cadillac when he ran a stop sign about a block from the school's main entrance. Floyd failed three sobriety tests that consisted of a standing on one leg, walking and turning around, and a finger count, Daniels said. The breathalyzer test showed he had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, well above Indiana's legal limit for driving of 0.08 percent.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

 

Incident #1 & #2 I can personally attest to, can happen very commonly to almost anyone social.

Incident #3 is extremely serious and show an escalated pattern of poor decision making.

 

Now it is possible for people to learn from their mistakes.

 

Buddy and the GMs of the NFL have to make the decision if Floyd is worth the risk.

 

I think we a stable Buffalo Bills locker room and stable Buffalo Bills leaders(for a change) Floyd could be a great fit.

[JoeF]

I can't see any chance that the rams select Poe over Blackmon. It would be pure stupidity. They have to get their QB some WRs and Blackmon is a great start. Poe looked amazing at the combine.. He looked pretty good During games. His teams defense was absolutely atrocious. Point is, the rams would be idiots to draft Poe ahead of Blackmon.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense

 

2nd worst rushing defense based on yards per game in the NFL.

[Kelly the Dog]

Reiff is a RT all the way.

 

There is little debate about this.

These are the people and sites that I consider to be the best. They all have Reiff playing LT, with the possibility he may play RT. If you want to show me draftniks who you think are the best that say Reiff is a RT, pleasse do.

 

Scout.com has him at LT

http://www.cbssports...players/1695597

 

Greg Cosell of NFL Films has him at LT

"I believe Reiff can play LT. Needs work + refinement. Adjustment will be sped/quickness of edge rushers, + ability to handle bull rush."

 

— Greg Cosell (@gregcosell) April 1, 2012

 

 

 

 

Mayock thinks he can't start at LT as a rookie and should start out at RT but will be a LT.

http://www.philly.co.../145490955.html

Although in this article, Mayock says he is a starting LT in the NFL, just not as good as Kalil. Duh.

http://thegazette.co...ly-top-10-pick/

 

Walter Football has him at LT

http://walterfootbal...t2012rreiff.php

 

Nolan Nawrocki at Pro Football Weekly has him at LT, and says some teams may think of him inside or to start at RT but he rates him as one of two players that can play LT right away, the other being Kalil.

http://www.profootba...-nolan-nawrocki

 

SportsXchange has him at LT

http://www.nfldrafts...=2013&genpos=OT

Len Passthepotatoes in one of the articles on that site said a couple NFL teams have him rated neck and neck with Kalil.I don't have much respect for Len P, but SportsXchange is good and in that part, amongst several articles on Reiff they had a quote from LenP, not his opinion on Reiff.

Edited April 3, 2012 by Kelly the Dog

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I'm obviously just a fan but having watched every snap from Rieff's games against Oklahoma and Nebraska this year I'm amazed that he's considered a top tackle prospect.

 

Granted it's only 110 plays over two games but you wanna talk about underwhelming?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmS0XmkMeJ0

 

To me, this must mean it's a really bad year for offensive tackles.

 

I'd be hugely disappointed if the Bills took a player with such an incredibly low ceiling with the 10th pick overall.

Edited April 3, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan

[1B4IDie]

These are the people and sites that I consider to be the best. They all have Reiff playing LT, with the possibility he may play RT. If you want to show me draftniks who you think are the best that say Reiff is a RT, pleasse do.

 

Scout.com has him at LT

http://www.cbssports...players/1695597

 

Greg Cosell of NFL Films has him at LT

 

Mayock thinks he can't start at LT as a rookie and should start out at RT but will be a LT.

http://www.philly.co.../145490955.html

Although in this article, Mayock says he is a starting LT in the NFL, just not as good as Kalil. Duh.

http://thegazette.co...ly-top-10-pick/

 

Walter Football has him at LT

http://walterfootbal...t2012rreiff.php

 

Nolan Nawrocki at Pro Football Weekly has him at LT, and says some teams may think of him inside or to start at RT but he rates him as one of two players that can play LT right away, the other being Kalil.

http://www.profootba...-nolan-nawrocki

 

SportsXchange has him at LT

http://www.nfldrafts...=2013&genpos=OT

Len Passthepotatoes in one of the articles on that site said a couple NFL teams have him rated neck and neck with Kalil.I don't have much respect for Len P, but SportsXchange is good and in that part, amongst several articles on Reiff they had a quote from LenP, not his opinion on Reiff.

 

Nice work.

 

Looks like there is a debate.

 

http://www.drafttek.com/2012-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-Right-Offensive-Tackles.asp

 

http://www.drafttek.com/2012-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-Left-Offensive-Tackles.asp

 

I personally haven't been impressed with Reiff.

Edited April 3, 2012 by Why So Serious?

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I'll post the Nebraska game link later… apparently this site doesn't allow us to link two videos in one post?

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Nice work.

 

Looks like there is a debate.

 

http://www.drafttek....ive-Tackles.asp

 

http://www.drafttek....ive-Tackles.asp

 

I personally haven't been impressed with Reiff.

Me either. But I think most teams consider him a LT prospect. And if your own link says he is the second best LT prospect in the draft, he's thought of a LT prospect.

Edited April 3, 2012 by Kelly the Dog

[KOKBILLS]

I'm obviously just a fan but having watched every snap from Rieff's games against Oklahoma and Nebraska this year I'm amazed that he's considered a top tackle prospect.

 

Granted it's only 110 plays over two games but you wanna talk about underwhelming?

 

youtube.com/watch?v=hmS0XmkMeJ0

 

To me, this must mean it's a really bad year for offensive tackles.

 

I'd be hugely disappointed if the Bills took a player with such an incredibly low ceiling with the 10th pick overall.

 

Totally 100% agree...

 

Reiff has almost zero value at #10 overall...Even less for The Bills because they already have a decent RT...And that's all Reiff is going to be in the NFL...I would be surprised if he went before #20 overall...

[Thunderstealer]

i say pick Tannehill.

 

If Philly wants Tannehill and he's there at ten, ask for Kafka and the swap of firsts.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I say Helloooo Philly......thinking one of the above will fall to #15...

 

Reasoning:

 

Blackmon and Floyd are not field stretchers and Hill or Randle are probably a better fit for what we need. You trade back into the lower first round with 41 and our first fourth and first fifth to get Hill or Randle and then use the second round pick to get Cousins. You end up with a good T at 15; a stretch the field receiver and a QB to groom.

Want there second too.

[Bill from NYC]

Yep--Philly would have to add #114 and the bills add a 7th rounder to get this done in an equitable manner. I focused on the upper round picks....

 

And the value chart was made before the new CBA. Now, draft selections cost teams far less, and imo this will drive up the price of trading up. Looking at the RG3 trade, this may have already started. And while not having checked the chart on the Julio Jones deal in 2011, it does seem like the Falcons paid a huge price.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-01/2011-nfl-draft/story/falcons-trade-up-for-julio-jones-in-draft-shocker-with-browns

 

If I was the GM, I wouldn't swap picks with Philly unless they gave up a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd round pick in 2013. But obviously, I am just a fan on a message board.

[tennesseeboy]

I stand corrected only 1 incident was on campus, still just 1 arrest.

 

Yes the point is exactly what you made and I underlined. They incidents are definitely not little deals. They definitely need to be weighted properly.

 

It is important to know one what they are.

 

Here is a factual summary of the 3 incidents:

 

 

Incident #1 - 5/15/2009 Sited for underage drinking. According to a Hennepin County District Court, Minnesota spokeswoman Michael Floyd plead guilty through a hearing officer on June 15 2009.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523'>http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

 

Incident #2 01/08/10 - Notre Dame sophomore WR Michael Floyd, a leading prospect for the 2011 draft, was cited for underage consumption of alcohol after an altercation at a house party in Minneapolis. Floyd wasn‘t arrested, but was cited for underage consumption of liquor, a misdemeanor.

 

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Michael-Floyd.html

 

Incident #3 3/20/11 3:18 a.m - Floyd was driving a white Cadillac when he ran a stop sign about a block from the school's main entrance. Floyd failed three sobriety tests that consisted of a standing on one leg, walking and turning around, and a finger count, Daniels said. The breathalyzer test showed he had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, well above Indiana's legal limit for driving of 0.08 percent.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

 

Incident #1 & #2 I can personally attest to, can happen very commonly to almost anyone social.

Incident #3 is extremely serious and show an escalated pattern of poor decision making.

 

Now it is possible for people to learn from their mistakes.

 

Buddy and the GMs of the NFL have to make the decision if Floyd is worth the risk.

 

I think we a stable Buffalo Bills locker room and stable Buffalo Bills leaders(for a change) Floyd could be a great fit.

Let's see...that is two misdemeanor charges at a minimum and I suspect the first charge of underage drinking is a misdemeanor as well. I said the guy had issues. I think this number of charges, convictions, and pleas would kind of bear that out. He might be the next Donte Stallworth.

[JohnC]

And the value chart was made before the new CBA. Now, draft selections cost teams far less, and imo this will drive up the price of trading up. Looking at the RG3 trade, this may have already started. And while not having checked the chart on the Julio Jones deal in 2011, it does seem like the Falcons paid a huge price.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-01/2011-nfl-draft/story/falcons-trade-up-for-julio-jones-in-draft-shocker-with-browns

 

If I was the GM, I wouldn't swap picks with Philly unless they gave up a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd round pick in 2013. But obviously, I am just a fan on a message board.

 

If the Bills thought they could get a similarly rated player with a trade down then it would be a reasonable move. Why pursue a ransom deal that won't be made when a more reasonable deal with your trade partner should net you another contributing player?

 

Let's say a trade down deal could get you a quality but a little lower rated OT such as Cordy Glenn and a very good LB prospect. Why wouldn't you find such a trade-down transaction very appealing?

 

I understand Nix's more conservative appraoch to the draft i.e. pick when your turn comes up. But when a team has a variety of needs sometimes a little more creativity in maneuvering in the draft could be used to add more talent to the roster.

[BuffaloBillsSD]

Let's see...that is two misdemeanor charges at a minimum and I suspect the first charge of underage drinking is a misdemeanor as well. I said the guy had issues. I think this number of charges, convictions, and pleas would kind of bear that out. He might be the next Donte Stallworth.

 

Underage drinking was only a violation when I got my ticket. The DUI is a big deal the other two, not so much. Comparing Stallworth to Floyd is absurd.

[tennesseeboy]

Underage drinking was only a violation when I got my ticket. The DUI is a big deal the other two, not so much. Comparing Stallworth to Floyd is absurd.

 

depends on where you are. In Tennessee underage drinking is a misdemeanor. Maybe being twice the legal limit for drinking is a safe activity where you come from, but Stallworth's blood-alcohol level after the crash was .126,while Floyd was .19. If comparisons are going to be made, I think the only difference is Floyd was lucky enough not to kill someone.

[yungmack]

i say pick Tannehill. The reason being, since Nix and Co. took over they have done a good job of finding talent late in the draft or off other teams practice squad or scrubs and making something out of them. Our team is getting bigger on both sides of the ball. No LT is worthy of the 10th pick in my opinion except Kalil but he will be long gone. I believe in building a team from the inside out (meaning starting with the line)and that to me looks like the same road Nix is taking, except for the spiller pick. I mean his second pick was Troup (he hasn't come around yet but as a back up in the 4-3 he could be a force), Darues last year (nuff said that was a can't miss pick), Sheppard, and Carrington. I know there is more just can't look them up right now due to a time crunch. And most of his skill guys have been the scrubs or cast offs, and have been performing ok. Fitz, was luck, and a proven back-up before joining the Bills. I like Fitz, but he is not the answer at QB. If Tannehill is there why take him with #10. I don't think he will be around but who knows. I think if anyone trades with us it would be Cleveland with their late round pick, and the only way I would do that is this years #1 and next years #1. That would be a no brainer and a different topic all together. As for Tannehill, he proved himself at his work-out day. By far the third best QB in the draft and if there was any doubters he proved them wrong. He played in a similar system then we play while at Texas A&M, so he would instantly be an upgrade from Thigpen and push Fitz to his max while learning the pro system from him. So what do we have to lose. JMO.

Doesn't seem like you do, damning with faint praise. So I was wondering if you could explain how drafting a QB that, as far as I know, every pundit, Mayock included, feel is at best a "project" who is far away from being NFL-ready, is a step up from Fitz? And if you do put in the effort to develop Tannehill, assuming anyone would want to do that, what you're likely to wind up with is a younger version of Fitz. That is, a good, middle of the pack, QB. Frankly, I don't see how that makes sense.