Rams, Redskins make a deal for the #2 pick

[turftoe]

As always, it all depends what the team does with the #1's. I would've traded Lil Donte, Marshawn, McKelvin, and Maybin for RG3 lol.

I would throw in Troup for good measure.

[NoSaint]

You make excellent points but the other thing to argue is whether they will be able to build a roster via free agency.

 

As the point has been made several times now, the Redskins roster resembles a block of Lorraine Swiss.

 

The path the Redskins have chosen has at least two pitfalls… both mentioned in this post.

 

Perhaps some of our DC guys can shed light on the state of the Redskins roster but my impression was that they have a long way to go with many holes to fill.

 

I'm not saying it's a bad trade for them but I am saying that the trade ensures nothing… even if RGIII becomes an excellent QB.

 

Realistically they gave up 3 guys- atleast 1 of which probably wouldn't do much in the NFL anyway. One or two extra signings or hitting on 1-2 exta late picks and suddenly you are back to even on the roster and have your qb (hopefully for them)

[H2o]

You make excellent points but the other thing to argue is whether they will be able to build a roster via free agency.

 

As the point has been made several times now, the Redskins roster resembles a block of Lorraine Swiss.

 

The path the Redskins have chosen has at least two pitfalls… both mentioned in this post.

 

Perhaps some of our DC guys can shed light on the state of the Redskins roster but my impression was that they have a long way to go with many holes to fill.

I'm not saying it's a bad trade for them but I am saying that the trade ensures nothing… even if RGIII becomes an excellent QB.

 

I live in VA and we are force-fed the Skins news all day long on the locals. I also get the joy of having every one of their games televised around here. The Skins' have needs on both sides of the ball. They were not just a QB away from contending. The OL could use three quality starters, as evidenced by us getting 9 sacks on them. They need help at WR. Santana Moss isn't getting any younger. They do have Fred Davis @ TE and Hankerson (WR) showed some promise before getting injured, but they could use 2 or 3 more WR's. Their secondary has question marks. They have DeAngelo Hall, but you never know what you will get from that guy. One game he's good in coverage, next game he's toast you try to scrape off with a butter knife. They do have one of the best 3-4 duos @ OLB in the game potentially in Orakpo and Kerrigan, but could use some help on the DL. With the departure of Laron Landry looming they are going to need more help @ SS. They do have many holes and it's possible they could be filled through FA, but you still have to be able to sign your targets and there is no gaurantee that you will be able to. Yes they free up 1st round money for 2 years after this, but they will have to spend even more money going after FA potentially and you can't say it's definite they will get who they want.

[NoSaint]

The Redskins? They have a lot more than 1-2 holes to fill. This will be the third "reboot" by Snyder. Starting in one direction for a year or two, then hitting the "reboot" button when they don't win. The most consistently successful teams are the ones that have the most continuity and stability.

Snyder changes front office staff and coaches like some people change shoes.

Go back and read the pre-draft hype about Jamarcus Russell. He was going to save the Raiders. I'm not saying RGIII is Russell, but three first rounders is too much for an unproven player.

Snyder thinks football is like "Madden". Just plug in some names, make a dream team and pop the chamagne. Doesn't work that way in real football, see the 2011 Eagles.

 

 

Parts are reasonable, but parts I totally disagree with. I said 1-2 EXTRA holes. In other words of the 2 firsts and a 2nd used to move up - one or two of those guys would have probably worked out. An extra signing and hitting on one extra pick elsewhere and suddenly your gutted roster is even but has it's qb.

 

And jamarcus was a story because he had a big arm and was going high. I don't know how many people would have actually bet big on him. His work ethic concerns, and low football iq were also well documented. If you show me the knocks on rg3 then I'll buy in. Size and by proxy injury risk (ala Vick) is about all I've seen. Stellar head - VERY smart- hard worker, big arm and cheetah fast. None of that fits jamarcus beyond big arm. He was a much higher risk pick even if you didn't realize it.

 

I live in VA and we are force-fed the Skins news all day long on the locals. I also get the joy of having every one of their games televised around here. The Skins' have needs on both sides of the ball. They were not just a QB away from contending. The OL could use three quality starters, as evidenced by us getting 9 sacks on them. They need help at WR. Santana Moss isn't getting any younger. They do have Fred Davis @ TE and Hankerson (WR) showed some promise before getting injured, but they could use 2 or 3 more WR's. Their secondary has question marks. They have DeAngelo Hall, but you never know what you will get from that guy. One game he's good in coverage, next game he's toast you try to scrape off with a butter knife. They do have one of the best 3-4 duos @ OLB in the game potentially in Orakpo and Kerrigan, but could use some help on the DL. With the departure of Laron Landry looming they are going to need more help @ SS. They do have many holes and it's possible they could be filled through FA, but you still have to be able to sign your targets and there is no gaurantee that you will be able to. Yes they free up 1st round money for 2 years after this, but they will have to spend even more money going after FA potentially and you can't say it's definite they will get who they want.

 

I think this might be a real VJ landing spot giving rg3 a huge target if true.

[aristocrat]

I would rather do this type of skins deal in a year or two. Build up the defense and get some pieces on the offense. If we can do that we can get a qb next year at the top of the draft by trading up. There are qb's that come out every year that supposedly are "franchise qb's" We need a team and then have a qb come in and not have all the pressure on him.

[NoSaint]

I would rather do this type of skins deal in a year or two. Build up the defense and get some pieces on the offense. If we can do that we can get a qb next year at the top of the draft by trading up. There are qb's that come out every year that supposedly are "franchise qb's" We need a team and then have a qb come in and not have all the pressure on him.

Unfortunately the league(fans) has gone wacky and thinks a guy is supposed to come in first year. If we build a team up THEN get the guy, the team will often be dismantled by the time he's ready to make a run.

Edited March 10, 2012 by NoSaint

[H2o]

I would rather do this type of skins deal in a year or two. Build up the defense and get some pieces on the offense. If we can do that we can get a qb next year at the top of the draft by trading up. There are qb's that come out every year that supposedly are "franchise qb's" We need a team and then have a qb come in and not have all the pressure on him.

Next year, Matt Barkley. I would take him over RGIII and Luck if had a choice between the 3.

[purple haze]

Wow. And ppl here thought 2 first rounders would get the job done. Yeah right. We would have had to give up 4 first rounders probably. Jesus

 

It is two first rounders. They are swapping firsts with the Rams in April and that's counted as one of the "3" first round picks. Really

they are giving up a 2nd and two 1sts.

 

Next year, Matt Barkley. I would take him over RGIII and Luck if had a choice between the 3.

 

You would? Why? I wouldn't. He's a good player though, but he doesn't bring close to RIII"s athleticism. RGIII has a stronger arm.

Luck and Barkley I could see being a choice. Those two are very similar. But I think Luck is a better athlete.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I live in VA and we are force-fed the Skins news all day long on the locals. I also get the joy of having every one of their games televised around here. The Skins' have needs on both sides of the ball. They were not just a QB away from contending. The OL could use three quality starters, as evidenced by us getting 9 sacks on them. They need help at WR. Santana Moss isn't getting any younger. They do have Fred Davis @ TE and Hankerson (WR) showed some promise before getting injured, but they could use 2 or 3 more WR's. Their secondary has question marks. They have DeAngelo Hall, but you never know what you will get from that guy. One game he's good in coverage, next game he's toast you try to scrape off with a butter knife. They do have one of the best 3-4 duos @ OLB in the game potentially in Orakpo and Kerrigan, but could use some help on the DL. With the departure of Laron Landry looming they are going to need more help @ SS. They do have many holes and it's possible they could be filled through FA, but you still have to be able to sign your targets and there is no gaurantee that you will be able to. Yes they free up 1st round money for 2 years after this, but they will have to spend even more money going after FA potentially and you can't say it's definite they will get who they want.

Thanks for weighing in!

 

That was my impression too… that the Skins are 6-7 players away.

 

As I stated earlier, an RGIII deal by a team like the Seahawks (or even the Niners) makes a lot more sense in that those teams have pretty much everything except a quarterback.

 

I would rather do this type of skins deal in a year or two. Build up the defense and get some pieces on the offense. If we can do that we can get a qb next year at the top of the draft by trading up. There are qb's that come out every year that supposedly are "franchise qb's" We need a team and then have a qb come in and not have all the pressure on him.

I agree although in my eternal optimism I see the Bills as being closer than they probably are and wouldn't have been upset had they made a move for the Rams' pick.

 

But in principle I agree with your thought.

 

Next year, Matt Barkley. I would take him over RGIII and Luck if had a choice between the 3.

If one year from now, Barkley is viewed as that type of player, absolutely, yes.

 

And there might be more QBs who emerge as elite prospects between now and then. Things change a helluva lot in one year.

 

But again in principle, yes, I agree.

 

 

[aristocrat]

Unfortunately the league(fans) has gone wacky and thinks a guy is supposed to come in first year. If we build a team up THEN get the guy, the team will often be dismantled by the time he's ready to make a run.

 

Well, the idea is that if you have a smart gm who built the team in the first place that he would continue to draft well and replace the guys that are cap casualties.

[H2o]

You would? Why? I wouldn't. He's a good player though, but he doesn't bring close to RIII"s athleticism. RGIII has a stronger arm.

Luck and Barkley I could see being a choice. Those two are very similar. But I think Luck is a better athlete.

Watched Barkley get absolutely nothing but better since walking on campus @ USC as a Freshman starter. His football IQ is off the charts. He can make every throw you could ask for, inside or outside the numbers. He knows when to put a little extra heat on the ball and when to use more touch. He breaks down the defense quickly and gets the ball out to the right guy pretty much every time. He may not run a 4.6 40 yard dash, but he feels the rush and is able to move around in the pocket to buy himself time to get the ball out. When forced to throw on the run, he is STILL almost just as accurate. Look at the TD-INT ratio, Comp %, and QBR. Next year, watch a few games for yourself and you will see the guy is going to be a Franchise QB. The footwork, throwing motion, intangibles, the guy has it all. I also don't believe that RGIII has a stronger arm than Barkley. I said Luck was the best QB prospect since Manning, believe that, and think that Barkley is better than Luck.

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/480322/matt-barkley

Edited March 10, 2012 by H2o

[BuffaloBillsSD]

Watched Barkley get absolutely nothing but better since walking on campus @ USC as a Freshman starter. His football IQ is off the charts. He can make every throw you could ask for, inside or outside the numbers. He knows when to put a little extra heat on the ball and when to use more touch. He breaks down the defense quickly and gets the ball out to the right guy pretty much every time. He may not run a 4.6 40 yard dash, but he feels the rush and is able to move around in the pocket to buy himself time to get the ball out. When forced to throw on the run, he is STILL almost just as accurate. Look at the TD-INT ratio, Comp %, and QBR. Next year, watch a few games for yourself and you will see the guy is going to be a Franchise QB. The footwork, throwing motion, intangibles, the guy has it all. I also don't believe that RGIII has a stronger arm than Barkley. I said Luck was the best QB prospect since Manning, believe that, and think that Barkley is better than Luck.

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/480322/matt-barkley

As a Notre Dame fan I hate USC but you are spot on with the assessment. There is very little chance the Bills will get a shot at him without trading up.

[H2o]

As a Notre Dame fan I hate USC but you are spot on with the assessment. There is very little chance the Bills will get a shot at him without trading up.

I'm a Notre Dame fan too and say these things knowing how much I hate the Trojans. He will be the #1 pick in the 2013 Draft, hands down, barring serious injury of course.

[NoSaint]

Well, the idea is that if you have a smart gm who built the team in the first place that he would continue to draft well and replace the guys that are cap casualties.

 

That cuts both ways and you'd have to assume he'd draft well while you build around that qb.

[DanInUticaTampa]

I don't know if Nix will draft well. I personally still find his drafting suspect. I liked his draft from last year overall, but that first draft was atrocious. Not sure what to expect this time around, expecially with the new personell guys. Hoping it is more like last year or better, but I do have some fear of them totally screwing it up.

[The Senator]

As a Notre Dame fan I hate USC but you are spot on with the assessment. There is very little chance the Bills will get a shot at him without trading up.

From this week's 30 Rock...

Hank's granddaughter, Kaylie Hooper (Chloe Grace Moretz) is pleased upon destroying the America's Kidz finale, thereby tarnishing Jack's reputation. Jack has every intention of destroying Kaylie until her tiny tears reveal a neglected, scared little girl. Accompanying the abandoned girl to the principal's office Jack quickly catches Kaylie in her web of lies and encourages her expulsion...

 

"I could get her expelled, sent off to some second rate boarding school, then onto that last bastion of the incompetent rich, U.S.C."

 

 

 

That said, I LOVE Matt Barkley - it is an absolute, incontrovertible statement of FACT that he will be FAR superior to both Andy Luck AND RGIII.

 

For the Bills to have a shot at him, we would have either suck this season, or trade away multiple future top draft picks for the next 3-4 drafts, or some combination of both.

 

I do not want us to suck, nor trade away our future draft picks. Fitz is our QB for the forseeable future, and I am more than fine with that. We CAN go all the way with Fitz at QB.

 

We'll just have to find our future Tom Brady* or Kurt Warner buried deep in this draft or next year's. Obviously, it has been done before - and most certainly will happen again.

GO BILLSSS!!!!

 

"I expect to win every game." - Chan Gailey

 

19 and 0 baby!!!!!

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I don't know if Nix will draft well. I personally still find his drafting suspect. I liked his draft from last year overall, but that first draft was atrocious. Not sure what to expect this time around, expecially with the new personell guys. Hoping it is more like last year or better, but I do have some fear of them totally screwing it up.

Just a friendly and optimistic reminder that :

 

1) Nix was promoted to GM about 2 months before that first draft and he still had to work with all the holdovers in the scouting department including Tom Modrak.

 

2) While the 2010 draft isn't looking great (except for the promise of Spiller), the jury is still out.

 

3) It's possible or likely that the 2011 draft was a big improvement over the 2010 draft and with the dismissal of Modrak that the 2012 will hopefully be his best ever.

Edited March 10, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan

[Rob's House]

I hope Luck & RG3 both bust & are out of the league in 5 years.

[Passepartout]

Let's face it, if the Skins don't go after and get RG3, then their trading to the Rams will come back and bite them in the rear baby!

[DanInUticaTampa]

Just a friendly and optimistic reminder that :

 

1) Nix was promoted to GM about 2 months before that first draft and he still had to work with all the holdovers in the scouting department including Tom Modrak.

 

2) While the 2010 draft isn't looking great (except for the promise of Spiller), the jury is still out.

 

3) It's possible or likely that the 2011 draft was a big improvement over the 2010 draft and with the dismissal of Modrak that the 2012 will hopefully be his best ever.

 

I think those are all pretty close to accurate. Another little cog I think is gailey had a lot of input based on his senior bowl coaching. I'm hoping for a good draft, and there is good reason for optimism. But I would be lying if I said I was fully confident of a great draft