BEAST MODE BABY! Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Who are the "they" that keep saying this? His surgeon says he can play. His own doctor says if it was his own son he would tell him to go play. So I don't know who these so called people are that says his nerves have not or will not regenerate. I think whoever gets him will be dramatically better Both those comments were regarding the fusion surgery. The question mark is the nerve regeneration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Who are the "they" that keep saying this? His surgeon says he can play. His own doctor says if it was his own son he would tell him to go play. So I don't know who these so called people are that says his nerves have not or will not regenerate. I think whoever gets him will be dramatically better He is medically cleared to play, meaning, there is no medical reason he cannot play. This is much different than being able to play. Manning had serious nerve damage resulting from a neck injury and what sounds to me like at least one botched operation. He does not have complete feeling in his right arm. How bad the numbness is I don' t know, but this would seem to be a serious problem for a right handed QB! Don't you think? He could very well be done, certainly never the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) And what do you expect "his" people to say with so much money on the line--that he'll never play again? What are you talking about? What money does his surgeon have "on the line"?? Anyway, they say it's safe for him to play. They make no claim as to whether he can throw the ball effectively or like he did in the past. All accounts so far are that he can't. Edited February 4, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Who are the "they" that keep saying this? His surgeon says he can play. His own doctor says if it was his own son he would tell him to go play. So I don't know who these so called people are that says his nerves have not or will not regenerate. I think whoever gets him will be dramatically better See below: Both those comments were regarding the fusion surgery. The question mark is the nerve regeneration. Exactly correct. I think a likely scenario is that Manning ends up sitting out the 2012 season and gives the nerves another 12 months to regenerate. He then attempts to comes back in 2013 as a high-profile free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombstone56 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I D LIKE TO SEE IT IT,, KINDA LIKE MONTANA in Kansas City,, ,,the best part of that was seeing Montana being held up on the sidelines by the KC trainers after BRUCE ,PIKE, AND I think Talley CRUSHED HIM ,ending his career on Rich stadiums turf!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Am I the only one who thought Matt Moore played very well last year? Stephen Ross is an idiot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Am I the only one who thought Matt Moore played very well last year? Stephen Ross is an idiot... I agree. Miami isn't lacking QB talent to the extent that they need to blow big bucks on Peyton. Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Am I the only one who thought Matt Moore played very well last year? Stephen Ross is an idiot... Played well, and I like his skill, but he's never done it over any real stretch.... The position is far from locked down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Careful what you wish for. Exactly. We're still talking about Peyton Manning here. The marvels of modern medicine may have him back and producing close if not at his former level. The the shoulder is more complex than the ankle joint, achilles tendon tears were career-enders not so long ago. Miami's O line is ok, and we still don't have a pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Played well, and I like his skill, but he's never done it over any real stretch.... The position is far from locked down. True. He looked good in Carolina in relief action then spit the bed when he became the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 1328386919[/url]' post='2376856']He is medically cleared to play, meaning, there is no medical reason he cannot play. This is much different than being able to play. Manning had serious nerve damage resulting from a neck injury and what sounds to me like at least one botched operation. He does not have complete feeling in his right arm. How bad the numbness is I don' t know, but this would seem to be a serious problem for a right handed QB! Don't you think? He could very well be done, certainly never the same. This. He won't play unless he regains full arm strength, accuracy and touch. And IMO thats a big 'if'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN1978 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I would think any team would have him checked out before signing him and pretty confident he can play again. I don't know why it has to set any team back. he can play for 4-5 more years. I'm sure he will get paid significantly less than the $28 million he was due in March with the Colts. This is a great move for the Fins or the Jets. What I don't understand is how the Jets move up in the draft to get Sanchez then make big splashes in free agency and supposedly now they're in the hunt for Manning? Where do they find cap room and money to spend and the Bills can't find "one" QB? Exactly. We're still talking about Peyton Manning here. The marvels of modern medicine may have him back and producing close if not at his former level. The the shoulder is more complex than the ankle joint, achilles tendon tears were career-enders not so long ago. Miami's O line is ok, and we still don't have a pass rush. If food industries can raise full grown chickens in 45 days and twice the size of natural bread chickens that grow half their size in 90 days? Then there's a cure for Peyton Manning out there... Worst case they might break out the clones for a test run... See below: Exactly correct. I think a likely scenario is that Manning ends up sitting out the 2012 season and gives the nerves another 12 months to regenerate. He then attempts to comes back in 2013 as a high-profile free agent. Yeah becuase Manning is going to red shirt himself cuz he's so young and go back to college and come back in next years draft to be a high pick on the draft board... Edited February 5, 2012 by HuSeYiN1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah becuase Manning is going to red shirt himself cuz he's so young and go back to college and come back in next years draft to be a high pick on the draft board... What other choice would Manning have? If the arm strength isn't there, he can't play effectively. So he'd have to sit-out until he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Both those comments were regarding the fusion surgery. The question mark is the nerve regeneration. Yes, but who is saying he hasn't been able to regenerate his nerves? His surgeoon says he can play.Did his doctors mention he will not have nerve regeneration? Did they mention anything at all about his arm strngth and accuracy? Where is all the worry about nerve regeneration coming from? If his doctor cleared him medically, that means he's capable of playing. Would his doctors clear him if they didn't think he was going to have good results? Clearly they would have told him there are reservations if they felt that way. Unless what Payton is telling people is not exactly what his doctors told him. But i doubt that. See below: Exactly correct. I think a likely scenario is that Manning ends up sitting out the 2012 season and gives the nerves another 12 months to regenerate. He then attempts to comes back in 2013 as a high-profile free agent. Based on what do you have this "likely scenario"? Are you a specialist is this field? As far as I know, the specialists cleared him to resume playing. Based on that I expect him to play and play at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN1978 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 What other choice would Manning have? If the arm strength isn't there, he can't play effectively. So he'd have to sit-out until he can. If he sits out another year it's called retirement... Yes, but who is saying he hasn't been able to regenerate his nerves? His surgeoon says he can play.Did his doctors mention he will not have nerve regeneration? Did they mention anything at all about his arm strngth and accuracy? Where is all the worry about nerve regeneration coming from? If his doctor cleared him medically, that means he's capable of playing. Would his doctors clear him if they didn't think he was going to have good results? Clearly they would have told him there are reservations if they felt that way. Unless what Payton is telling people is not exactly what his doctors told him. But i doubt that. Based on what do you have this "likely scenario"? Are you a specialist is this field? As far as I know, the specialists cleared him to resume playing. Based on that I expect him to play and play at a high level. High Level? Ummmmmm IDK about that one there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 If he sits out another year it's called retirement... High Level? Ummmmmm IDK about that one there... He's going to be very motivated and he's arguably in the top 5 of all time quarterbacks. So yeah, I think he will play at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 SELFISH....SELFISH.....SELFISH !!! if Peyton had the "class" that everyone says he does......then why doesn't he simply refuse to talk about or be interviewed at all this week? especially about anything to do with him and his career. because he is a SELFISH...me, me, me guy, just like the rest of them. why can't he simply say.....i will be available next week to answer all your questions. he's taking the shine from his own brother.....my goodness. i think it's dispicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) SELFISH....SELFISH.....SELFISH !!! if Peyton had the "class" that everyone says he does......then why doesn't he simply refuse to talk about or be interviewed at all this week? especially about anything to do with him and his career. because he is a SELFISH...me, me, me guy, just like the rest of them. why can't he simply say.....i will be available next week to answer all your questions. he's taking the shine from his own brother.....my goodness. i think it's dispicable. I don't know about dispicable..but you make a good point, he is taking some of the shine off the game. Maybe he's being a good brother and trying to deflect some of the pressure off of Eli. Edited February 5, 2012 by first_and_ten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN1978 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 SELFISH....SELFISH.....SELFISH !!! if Peyton had the "class" that everyone says he does......then why doesn't he simply refuse to talk about or be interviewed at all this week? especially about anything to do with him and his career. because he is a SELFISH...me, me, me guy, just like the rest of them. why can't he simply say.....i will be available next week to answer all your questions. he's taking the shine from his own brother.....my goodness. i think it's dispicable. I personally haven't given a rat's ass about Peyton. I'm more concerned about the SB although I'm on this post topic talking about Peyton? Hmmmm definitely contradicted myself there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah becuase Manning is going to red shirt himself cuz he's so young and go back to college and come back in next years draft to be a high pick on the draft board... I'll try to ignore your snarkasm. My prediction is based on considering all aspects. I've had nerve damage and it's not something that you can "will" to get better or ignore the effects of. If he can't throw the ball with velocity, no team will have an interest in him. I believe that the competitive fire still burns in Manning… probably further fueled by his brother playing against Brady today. I do not think he wants to retire but I remain highly skeptical that he can regain feeling and muscle command in his arm. I think considering how well he played in 2010, that it's not the least bit of a stretch for him to spend an extra year recovering and make a comeback in 2013. Yes, but who is saying he hasn't been able to regenerate his nerves? His surgeoon says he can play.Did his doctors mention he will not have nerve regeneration? Did they mention anything at all about his arm strngth and accuracy? Where is all the worry about nerve regeneration coming from? If his doctor cleared him medically, that means he's capable of playing. Would his doctors clear him if they didn't think he was going to have good results? Clearly they would have told him there are reservations if they felt that way. Unless what Payton is telling people is not exactly what his doctors told him. But i doubt that. Based on what do you have this "likely scenario"? Are you a specialist is this field? As far as I know, the specialists cleared him to resume playing. Based on that I expect him to play and play at a high level. Some people are following the Manning saga and this thread topic closely. To re-iterate AGAIN, the doctors who commented were talking about Manning being able to play again without having to worry inordinately about an injury to his neck due to the spinal fusion surgery. They were not addressing his arm strength, tactility, sensation, or any of the things that he's lost. There have been numerous recent stories that Manning's arm strength is way below his usual level and that it has not gotten any better in the months since he resumed throwing. The regaining of feeling in his arm is a SEPARATE ISSUE from the issue of whether he can safely resume his career. What Manning's doctors said is irrelevant to him regaining the ability to throw a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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