SDS Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Way to hold that lead Bum, errr Wade. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Ralph just refused to pay him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Way to hold that lead Bum, errr Wade. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: 179339[/snapback] When did Wade ever screw us? He got screwed by the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 When did Wade ever screw us? He got screwed by the Bills. 179360[/snapback] How about his "infamous" speech he made before the Colts game in 2000 where he said that neither the Bills nor the Colts were going to the playoffs, as we both were eliminated. Yet, the Colts went on the win a few more (we lost to the Colts) and made the playoffs. He was a dumb jerk. Sure, a decent defensive coordinator, but a lousey HC. Let's not forget his wonderfuul staff. Carl Mauck come to mind? Or how about the Bills TE coach under Wade. Hhe was a assistant to an assistant (exaggeration, but not much) who got the Bills job because he was Wade's neighbor? Or what about Pendry....No, Wade did plenty of damage. Plenty. Seriously poor HC. Piss on Wade. Oh, and let's not forget Ronnie Jones....jeez....give us a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 what about starting the RJ era in the wc playoff game after flutie lead the team to the playoffs after starting 0-3...great coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 what about starting the RJ era in the wc playoff game after flutie lead the team to the playoffs after starting 0-3...great coach 179423[/snapback] Sounds like some here that want to start the JP era? People will be people... The want to see future... Out with the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 San Diego offense lost that game, they're were in field postion to try a FG and instead of running LT up the middle they ran a fake reverse, result: Brees sacked (Freeney) fumbled the ball and they recovered the ball at Indy's 40, then they had to punt with a FG the Colts would have had to score twice to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 what about starting the RJ era in the wc playoff game after flutie lead the team to the playoffs after starting 0-3...great coach 179423[/snapback] as horrible as rob johnson was...................he had that game won!we lost on a trick play.i thought rob played a hellava game that day.the next season well that was a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The "speech" you refer to was an offhanded comment in an interview. Not a good move, but it wasn't a speech. Second, his record was 29-19. 2 playoff appearances. Bad head coach? Think again. Gregg Williams was a bad head coach. Wade puts him to shame. How about his "infamous" speech he made before the Colts game in 2000 where he said that neither the Bills nor the Colts were going to the playoffs, as we both were eliminated. Yet, the Colts went on the win a few more (we lost to the Colts) and made the playoffs. He was a dumb jerk. Sure, a decent defensive coordinator, but a lousey HC. Let's not forget his wonderfuul staff. Carl Mauck come to mind? Or how about the Bills TE coach under Wade. Hhe was a assistant to an assistant (exaggeration, but not much) who got the Bills job because he was Wade's neighbor? Or what about Pendry....No, Wade did plenty of damage. Plenty. Seriously poor HC. Piss on Wade. Oh, and let's not forget Ronnie Jones....jeez....give us a break. 179399[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Wrong again. Wade wanted to start Flutie... it was Ralph Wilson who demanded that Rob Johnson start the game after watching him play lights out against Indy in a meaningless game. That is fact. I have even spoken to Wade about this personally. As for us starting 0-3 that year, think again. That was the season prior to the Tennessee game. what about starting the RJ era in the wc playoff game after flutie lead the team to the playoffs after starting 0-3...great coach 179423[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 How about his "infamous" speech he made before the Colts game in 2000 where he said that neither the Bills nor the Colts were going to the playoffs, as we both were eliminated. Yet, the Colts went on the win a few more (we lost to the Colts) and made the playoffs. He was a dumb jerk. Sure, a decent defensive coordinator, but a lousey HC. Let's not forget his wonderfuul staff. Carl Mauck come to mind? Or how about the Bills TE coach under Wade. Hhe was a assistant to an assistant (exaggeration, but not much) who got the Bills job because he was Wade's neighbor? Or what about Pendry....No, Wade did plenty of damage. Plenty. Seriously poor HC. Piss on Wade. Oh, and let's not forget Ronnie Jones....jeez....give us a break. 179399[/snapback] As it has been said elsewhere in the thread. Wade was 29-12 with 2 playoff appearences. How does that constitue screwing the Bills? I was pissed at his playoff remark (it wasn't a speech) about the Colts game, but that still doesn't amount to much when you consider his whole tenure as a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 John Butler and Wade Phillips are the two most misunderstood good guys in Bills history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Way to hold that lead Bum, errr Wade. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: 179339[/snapback] Boy your mister positive tonight too much ICE in your drink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 as horrible as rob johnson was...................he had that game won!we lost on a trick play.i thought rob played a hellava game that day.the next season well that was a different story 179457[/snapback] Exactly. That may have been the high point of the RJ era. He actually looked Kelly like in that game. As for Wade, he was a incompetent head coach pure and simple. As a DC he is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 How did Indy winning screw the Bills? I had it figured that them winning would help the Bills in the fact that at the time then it would have been OK for the Pats to lose to the Jets. That would have given the Colts incentive for next week because they could have reached the #2 seed. So, how does it hurt us that Indy won? What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 what about starting the RJ era in the wc playoff game after flutie lead the team to the playoffs after starting 0-3...great coach 179423[/snapback] Constantly struggling to score 17 points each and every week is not something to gloat about. Besides, it was the D that carried us 1999. Let's not forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 So, how does it hurt us that Indy won? What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 So, how does it hurt us that Indy won? What did I miss? 179576[/snapback] c'mon man - we're ranting here - don't make us discuss facts and reality... (I thought I heard second hand that if SD won - Indy would be playing for a better seed position next week. Is that incorrect?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 I don't see how this is possible, SDS. The winner of SD-Indy would get the 3 seed, unless the Pats lost their last three games, right? So, the loser would be the 4 seed, no matter what. Division winners can be no less than the 4 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 Indy was playing for home field advantage in that 31-6 psting of the Colts. 179754[/snapback] of the many things that piss me of about the Flutie era, it's the Fluite supporters who ALWAYS get the: we started 0-3 (not 1-3) and went to the playoffs, and that the Indy game was "meaningless" facts wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 what about starting the RJ era in the wc playoff game after flutie lead the team to the playoffs after starting 0-3...great coach 179423[/snapback] That wasn't Wade's choice and blaming him doesn't make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolly Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Ya Wade Phillips really screwed us coaching our team to a winning record and taking them to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The "speech" you refer to was an offhanded comment in an interview. Not a good move, but it wasn't a speech. Second, his record was 29-19. 2 playoff appearances. Bad head coach? Think again. Gregg Williams was a bad head coach. Wade puts him to shame. 179464[/snapback] The major difference between Wade and GW was that Wade still had some horses to run with. GW had none. They both had basically crap for a staff (with notable exceptions, that being their Defensive coordinators). As for the "speech", maybe that was a bit strong, but it certainly got better mileage than most speeches do so maybe "speech" wasn't strong enough. Would I take Wade over GW as HC, yes, but not without thoroughly scouring the football playing world first. P.S. Max Bowman was the schmuck Wade hired as assistant to the HC and TE coach, who's only claim to fame was that he was Wade's neighbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Wrong again. Wade wanted to start Flutie... it was Ralph Wilson who demanded that Rob Johnson start the game after watching him play lights out against Indy in a meaningless game. That is fact. I have even spoken to Wade about this personally. As for us starting 0-3 that year, think again. That was the season prior to the Tennessee game. 179468[/snapback] Whoops. But Flutie did take a 1-3 (yes i know RJ beat the Niners) team and turn them into a playoff team two years in a row. And I don't care what the hell Ralph told WP to do. He was the coach and should have put his foot down, gutless fat ass. RJ was not the leader of that team like Flutie was, and you cannot argue that Flutie is a winner and always has been (except for that stint with the Pats of yesteryear). Even if Indy wasn't a throw away game, RJ has had about 2 1/2 good games in his NFL life and is a rich man for it...I bashed the trade to get him then and I will still bash it now. He was unproven and had done nothing to warrant giving up a number 9 pick and $25 million. BTW its also amazing that so many people on this board have personal relationships with Bills players and staff, I'm not saying you don't I just think its pretty cool, but I don't think Wade would just say that about his former employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 That wasn't Wade's choice and blaming him doesn't make it so. 179788[/snapback] He was the coach of course it was his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Way to hold that lead Bum, errr Wade. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: 179339[/snapback] Keep in mind if BOTH the Jets and Broncos lose, and the Bills win, Buffalo is the #5 seed and gets to play SD. Defend this, Wade! PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Exactly. That may have been the high point of the RJ era. He actually looked Kelly like in that game. As for Wade, he was a incompetent head coach pure and simple. As a DC he is fantastic. 179502[/snapback] The guy took us to two playoff games in 3 years and you call him incompetent....And in both the games, he almost won them....If Thomas picksup the blitz then Flutie throws that TD to win against Miami. Even in the final year he had the team up for the playoffs before we lost 3 starters in the 1st quarter sickeningly to the Tampa Bay Bucs and lost a close game.....Then Cowart was out with a high ankle sprain for the next 6 weeks and we Rosened down in the rest of the 5 games of the season. And the front office turmoil that year was a distraction with Butler refusing Wilsons offers and getting fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 He was the coach of course it was his choice. 180014[/snapback] You keep telling yourself that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 The guy took us to two playoff games in 3 years and you call himincompetent....And in both the games, he almost won them....If Thomas picksup the blitz then Flutie throws that TD to win against Miami. Even in the final year he had the team up for the playoffs before we lost 3 starters in the 1st quarter sickeningly to the Tampa Bay Bucs and lost a close game.....Then Cowart was out with a high ankle sprain for the next 6 weeks and we Rosened down in the rest of the 5 games of the season. And the front office turmoil that year was a distraction with Butler refusing Wilsons offers and getting fired. 180240[/snapback] The guy fired Bruce DeHaven after the Tennessee game and replaced him with Ronnie Jones. That tells you all you need to know about him as a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 By meaningless, I mean the game was meaningless to the Bills. Indy was playing for home field advantage in that 31-6 pasting that the Bills laid on them. 179754[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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