TMQ opinion

[fairweather fan]

From TMQ column: (he said that this would happen at beginning of season.)

 

Skins-Jets note: Pass rush specialist Aaron Maybin, who had zero sacks in two seasons at Buffalo, has six sacks in his first nine games with Jersey/B, leading Rex Ryan's pressure-obsessed defense in the category. Maybin hit Rex Grossman to force the fumble that turned the game in the Jets' favor.

 

 

 

Buffalo used the 11th overall selection of the 2009 draft on Maybin, then rarely let him on the field, criticized him relentlessly in public, then waived him early this season. Nonsensical? Not if Buffalo's new front office, which took over shortly after the Maybin choice, is more concerned with protecting its high-paid jobs than with winning. Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted just before Maybin became a Jet, "Making a great show of discussing how bad the previous Bills regime's high draft pick was creates an excuse for [bills head coach Chan] Gailey and [bills general manager Buddy] Nix to present a losing team in 2011 -- 'What did you expect, when the guys who came before us blew the team's 2009 first-round pick?'"

 

 

 

The Bills are 5-7 and last in the NFL in sacks. If everything about their season was the same except they'd simply kept Maybin, the Bills might be in the playoff hunt. But to the coach and general manager, lining up excuses for losing was the first priority.

[K-9]

Absolute and utter crap! Yeah, if we only had Maybin we'd be playoff bound. The Jets have the luxury of using Maybin as the one trick, situational pony he is. I'm sure the Jets are glad they realized that AFTER they cut him at the end of pre-season. He's lucky they brought him back.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[NoSaint]

That why wood called him out too?

[n3wyork13]

ive been bit*hing bou the maybon situation as of late but to say we'd be in the playoff hunt is moronic.....

[nbash]

in my line of work a new regime never wastes a second in cleaning house and trashing any thing or anyone the old regime left behind. You can't make your name on someone else's leftovers. It's a crap approach, but one that opportunists have been using for a long time. I was a full on Maybin hater, but this just does not look good for a team that can't sack the quarterback.

[st. pete gogolak]

in my line of work a new regime never wastes a second in cleaning house and trashing any thing or anyone the old regime left behind. You can't make your name on someone else's leftovers. It's a crap approach, but one that opportunists have been using for a long time. I was a full on Maybin hater, but this just does not look good for a team that can't sack the quarterback.

 

 

Great avatar/ Sweet Smell of Success!

[BuffaloBud]

Absolute and utter crap! Yeah, if we only had Maybin we'd be playoff bound. The Jets have the luxury of using Maybin as the one trick, situational pony he is. I'm sure the Jets are glad they realized that AFTER they cut him at the end of pre-season. He's lucky they brought him back.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

I'm glad you said it before me. I wouldn't have been quite so diplomatic.

[bouds]

You guys up for a good laugh.

 

TMQ article from last August.

 

In the 2008 draft, Jersey/B used the sixth selection on Vernon Gholston; in the 2009 draft, Buffalo used the 11th choice on Aaron Maybin, and Denver used the 14th selection on Robert Ayers. All are hybrid defensive end/linebacker types who specialize in rushing the passer, and the three have combined for zero career sacks in the NFL. This year, Jersey/A used the 15th choice of the draft on hybrid defensive end/linebacker Jason Pierre-Paul, who specializes in rushing the passer. Pierre-Paul had just six sacks in his sole season as a major college player, finishing a distant 69th in Division I sacks. Yet in April, no team drafted Antonio Coleman of Auburn, a three-year starter who compiled 22 solo sacks in the SEC, college football's toughest conference.

 

Drafts can be judged three years later. TMQ has a sawbuck that says in three years, the undrafted Coleman will be a more accomplished NFL player than Pierre-Paul, Gholston, Maybin or Ayers. Also undrafted in 2010 was Blue Cooper, who bested Terrell Owens' receiving records at Tennessee-Chattanooga. I would have drafted him for his name alone.

 

Easterbrook is a ****ty evaluator of talent. Someone remind him what JPP is doing. He thought all these guys, including Maybin, would get outplayed by Buffalo's Antonio Coleman. How's that working out for us?

 

LOL

 

Edit: What a hack? I'm sure he was writing about Nix/Gailey making excuses and mailing in the season when the team was 5-2. Does he mention any other injuries, no just Maybin, MVPaybin.

Edited December 7, 2011 by bouds

[BillsVet]

You guys up for a good laugh.

 

TMQ article from last August.

 

Easterbrook is a ****ty evaluator of talent. Someone remind him what JPP is doing. He thought all these guys, including Maybin, would get outplayed by Buffalo's Antonio Coleman. How's that working out for us?

 

LOL

 

Edit: What a hack? I'm sure he was writing about Nix/Gailey making excuses and mailing in the season when the team was 5-2. Does he mention any other injuries, no just Maybin, MVPaybin.

 

Easterbrook makes a claim a year ago that hasn't proven accurate and suddenly he's a hack unworthy of forming an opinion? Typical TBD response in the face of someone criticizing an organization going on 12 season without a playoff appearance.

 

Easterbrook isn't the problem, Buffalo's spendthrift ways, inept ownership, poor coaching, and inferior talent is. The big picture is that Buffalo recycles lower management all the while being run from Detroit by individuals concerned with maximizing the bottom line at the roster's expense.

[bouds]

Easterbrook makes a claim a year ago that hasn't proven accurate and suddenly he's a hack unworthy of forming an opinion? Typical TBD response in the face of someone criticizing an organization going on 12 season without a playoff appearance.

 

Easterbrook isn't the problem, Buffalo's spendthrift ways, inept ownership, poor coaching, and inferior talent is. The big picture is that Buffalo recycles lower management all the while being run from Detroit by individuals concerned with maximizing the bottom line at the roster's expense.

 

No, Easterbrook has always been a ****ty football writer.

 

Here's another example.

 

Maybin wouldn't have made a difference on this team, that's a fact and anyone with some semblance of objectivity would know that. My beef is with his "saving their jobs" statement, it's horseshit. With or without Maybin they're fine, they have bigger issues than that scrub.

 

We got 10 sacks against the Redskins, they have the worst line in the league. And Maybin's other 3 sacks have come against ****ty tackles as well, including our beloved Pears, also Scott Chandler who can't block a thing.

 

Cutting Maybin wasn't a move to maximize the bottom line, they wanted to go with players that showed more than he did and no one could argue with that. The guy was, and stil is trash, and that block by Barber in the exhibition game summed up Maybin's career as a Bill, on the ground laying flat on his back.

 

Heck, the Jets cut him again after camp and didn't bring him back until injuries surfaced, they took a shot because they had no one else. If Thomas stays healthy Maybin's not a Jet.

Edited December 7, 2011 by bouds

[zonabb]

I think a lot of this is on Maybin really. Everyone discounts the mental side of football, the psychology. I think this is a kid (and that's intentional) who has serious maturity and self-esteem issues and was unable to deal with the pressure of being expected to be good from the get go. He obviously didn't perform well when he was told he had to EARN playing time and work to get better. He turned it around and dealt with it in a most immature way, he acted like he was being wronged. And that made a convenient excuse for him for not getting on the field. Couple that with what appears to be some issues at home with his family (a stillborn child I believe) and I think he just waunable to get focusd mentaly and lacked the maturity to rise above. This is a guy who came into the league with an attitude and a haircut stating how great he was. He felt like everyone should just assume his greatness and not question it. And when the team did, he felt attacked. And when the results never came, someone how it was the team's fault.

 

And so he goes to a team with a loudmouth coach who kisses all the players a$$es and wants to be friends first and a coach later (That'll never win then anything BTW because there is a lack of accountability and responsibility there) and suddenly that change of scenery and that "Aaron you're great" a$$ kissing did him well. I think, honestly, he needed a change of scenery. But as stated above, he dosn't have to do anything but rush the passer. Here, with a first round pedigree, he needed to get better than that and be on the field more than pass rushing downs, which the Jets don't need him for. So the Bills' first round bust is a decent situational player for someone else. Who cares.

 

And let's not let the Jets off the hook either. They cut the guy too and brought him back out after injuries. It's not like he made the team outright and they saw what the Bills missed. They could take a gamble with no lost draft pick and little money.

 

Can we end the Maybin talk?

[BiggieScooby]

PromoTheMayhem

 

BS

[Ramius]

He forgets to mention that the jets (and the NFL) thought so highly of Maybin that not only was he cut at the end of the preseason, not a single team put a waiver claim in for him.

[Coach Tuesday]

THE PREVIOUS REGIME BROUGHT IN RYAN FITZPATRICK

 

...whom the new regime just locked up as its franchise QB. Now can we move on from this garbage? The new regime isn't conspiratorial or vindictive - they're just incompetent. More of the same at OBD, nothing to see here...

Edited December 7, 2011 by Coach Tuesday

[Guffalo]

I think a lot of this is on Maybin really. Everyone discounts the mental side of football, the psychology. I think this is a kid (and that's intentional) who has serious maturity and self-esteem issues and was unable to deal with the pressure of being expected to be good from the get go. He obviously didn't perform well when he was told he had to EARN playing time and work to get better. He turned it around and dealt with it in a most immature way, he acted like he was being wronged. And that made a convenient excuse for him for not getting on the field. Couple that with what appears to be some issues at home with his family (a stillborn child I believe) and I think he just waunable to get focusd mentaly and lacked the maturity to rise above. This is a guy who came into the league with an attitude and a haircut stating how great he was. He felt like everyone should just assume his greatness and not question it. And when the team did, he felt attacked. And when the results never came, someone how it was the team's fault.

 

And so he goes to a team with a loudmouth coach who kisses all the players a$$es and wants to be friends first and a coach later (That'll never win then anything BTW because there is a lack of accountability and responsibility there) and suddenly that change of scenery and that "Aaron you're great" a$$ kissing did him well. I think, honestly, he needed a change of scenery. But as stated above, he dosn't have to do anything but rush the passer. Here, with a first round pedigree, he needed to get better than that and be on the field more than pass rushing downs, which the Jets don't need him for. So the Bills' first round bust is a decent situational player for someone else. Who cares.

 

And let's not let the Jets off the hook either. They cut the guy too and brought him back out after injuries. It's not like he made the team outright and they saw what the Bills missed. They could take a gamble with no lost draft pick and little money.

 

Can we end the Maybin talk?

 

Excellent analysis, all that I can add is even with additional "motivational" coaching from D Talley and other former Bills, Maybin assumed he knew it all and dismissed their help. In a new, "ass-kissing" environment, he thrived. Good value for the Jets, they pay a small contract pro-rated since it didn't include the first 2-3 games.

[Ramius]

Easterbrook makes a claim a year ago that hasn't proven accurate and suddenly he's a hack unworthy of forming an opinion? Typical TBD response in the face of someone criticizing an organization going on 12 season without a playoff appearance.

 

Easterbrook isn't the problem, Buffalo's spendthrift ways, inept ownership, poor coaching, and inferior talent is. The big picture is that Buffalo recycles lower management all the while being run from Detroit by individuals concerned with maximizing the bottom line at the roster's expense.

 

It has nothing to with Easterbrook being/not being a hack writer, nor does it have anything to do with the Bills. It has everything to do with him playing captain hindsight. He bashed them for drafting a crappy Maybin, and now bashes them for releasing Maybin, a move that not a single person questioned at the time. He does deserved to be called out for that.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Ramius

[Cash]

It has nothing to with Easterbrook being/not being a hack writer, nor does it have anything to do with the Bills. It has everything to do with him playing captain hindsight. He bashed them for drafting a crappy Maybin, and now bashes them for releasing Maybin, a move that not a single person questioned at the time. He does deserved to be called out for that.

Easterbrook constantly cherry-picks to "prove" his points, and frequently bashes teams in hindsight for weak reasons, and he does so in the most haughty, pompous way possible. Good example: he frequently calls out teams for having too much turnover in the front office/coaching staff, and points to Indy's stable FO/coaching situation as a reason why they're always so good. So what, if the Bills had never fired Gregg Williams, they'd be a perennial Super Bowl contender by now? No, dum-dum, winning teams have continuity *because* they're winning, not the other way around. No one gets fired after winning the Super Bowl. The worst is, Easterbrook is smart enough to know better, and not use such garbage arguments, but he keeps doing it anyway. I used to be a fan of his, but once I caught on to his game, he got tiresome really fast.

[CodeMonkey]

ive been bit*hing bou the maybon situation as of late but to say we'd be in the playoff hunt is moronic.....

Agreed. The Bills would have not put him on the field much, and when they did it would have been at LB.

He would have had no positive impact on the Bills. He needed to be used as the Jets use him to be effective.

 

He forgets to mention that the jets (and the NFL) thought so highly of Maybin that not only was he cut at the end of the preseason, not a single team put a waiver claim in for him.

Why would any team put in a claim? No teams got to see Maybin much, and when they did he was misused. Ryan saw the potential and game him a shot. As far as claiming him off waivers, don't be silly. The Bills drafted him WAY too high and he was grossly overpaid for a situational player. It made way more sense for the Jets to make him a reasonable offer, and it is paying dividends for them at the moment.

 

Don't hate on sexy Rexy or Maybin for the Bills coaching shortcomings.

[KOKBILLS]

Absolute and utter crap! Yeah, if we only had Maybin we'd be playoff bound. The Jets have the luxury of using Maybin as the one trick, situational pony he is. I'm sure the Jets are glad they realized that AFTER they cut him at the end of pre-season. He's lucky they brought him back.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Maybin came to the Jets WAY late in Camp and got caught up in a temporary numbers Game...The fact that they immediately brought him back shows Ryan thought he had enough ability to work with...And that "luxury" stuff, assuming the Jets have SO much talent and that's the reason Maybin is getting his sacks and FF's, is unfounded...It's just another way of saying he could not rush the passer as well in Buffalo if given the opportunity...He would be single blocked in Buffalo most of the time too...He can rush the passer...The Bills have NO ONE that can rush the Passer...Even if Maybin is double teamed in Buffalo on every obvious passing down it would help...

 

This article aside (the theory about Maybin being cut to make Gailey and Nix look better by comparison is a bit ridiculous), there is a bigger problem, or maybe even more than one big problem concerning Maybin's release...And Bills Fans should look into knowing the truth instead of belittling Maybin and his one-trick-pony-self...

 

Tim Graham was on WGR Monday Morning and said he talked to Gailey face to face right after Maybin was cut...And even though Gailey would not come out and say it directly, he STRONGLY inferred that Maybin was cut because he lacked the talent to play in the NFL...This coming from a HC who has a Team with ZERO Pass Rush (yes I know Merriman was fairly healthy at the time...SO WHAT?)...They felt as a Coaching Staff that Maybin lacked talent...Now...Maybe Maybin lacks the talent overall to be a Starting 3-Down NFL 3-4 OLB...That can certainly be argued...But he definitely has enough talent to rush the passer...That has been pretty much proven...But this Defensive Coaching Staff, in there expert evaluation and developmental capabilities, did not think Maybin had the talent...That is a HUGE problem...

 

The secondary problem here is that Maybin may very well have been pushed out the door because he simply made too much money to be situational player...The call may have come from above...And if that was the case(which I have no idea if it was or not), for a team that needs pass rush as badly as the Bills do...It's inexcusable...

 

Just another Chapter in the complete joke of a story The Buffalo Bills have become...

[K-9]

Why would any team put in a claim? No teams got to see Maybin much, and when they did he was misused. Ryan saw the potential and game him a shot. As far as claiming him off waivers, don't be silly. The Bills drafted him WAY too high and he was grossly overpaid for a situational player. It made way more sense for the Jets to make him a reasonable offer, and it is paying dividends for them at the moment.

 

Don't hate on sexy Rexy or Maybin for the Bills coaching shortcomings.

 

Any team could have claimed Maybin off of waivers and not had to pay him any more than the Jets currently do which is the league minimum. Maybin was lucky that Thomas got hurt or the Jets wouldn't have brought him back after they themselves waived him at final cuts. The fact is that EVERY team in the league had TWO shots to claim Maybin after he was placed on waivers by the Bills and Jets. There's a reason only one team gave him a shot and it wasn't because there was nothing to see. It was because what little there was to see was woefully bad. Plus, he wasn't a special teams player which hurt his value a little.

 

I can't put any blame on the Bills' coaches over two different staffs for not finding a way to use Maybin other than for the one-trick, situational pony he is. Rexy has the luxury of great defensive personnel, chiefly his two CBs, that allows him to scheme Maybin and the rest of his defense for that matter. I'm happy for Maybin that he's in a better situation and just as happy the Bills parted ways with him.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited December 7, 2011 by K-9