Captain Hindsight Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) 2010 Dwan Edwards Kyle Williams Marcus Stroad Chris Kelsey Andra Davis Paul Posulsny Chris Ellis Terrance McGee Donte Whitner Jarius Byrd Leodis McKelvin 2011 Dwan Edwards Kylw Willams Marcell Dareus Chris Kelsey Andra Davis Nick Barnett Shawn Merriman Terrance McGee Leodis McKelvin Jarius Bryd George Wilson 4 new starters and much much better IMO GO BILLS Edited September 11, 2011 by Captain Hindsight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 19 and 0 baby!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 2010 Dwan Edwards Kyle Williams Marcus Stroad Chris Kelsey Andra Davis Paul Posulsny Chris Ellis Terrance McGee Donte Whitner Jarius Byrd Leodis McKelvin 2011 Dwan Edwards Kylw Willams Marcell Dareus Chris Kelsey Andra Davis Nick Barnett Shawn Merriman Terrance McGee Leodis McKelvin Jarius Bryd George Wilson 5 new starters and much much better IMO GO BILLS One of us can't count ... but I'm thinking it's me. Four or five? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 One of us can't count ... but I'm thinking it's me. Four or five? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Plus everyone has familiarity with the 3-4 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Didn't florence start last year? I may be wrong, but I thought he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) The starters are much better. Further improvement will also come from the development of 2nd year players Moats, Batten, Troup, Carrington. Further improvement will also come from highly-regarded rookies (not mentioned in original post) Williams, Sheppard, Searcy, Chris White, and Justin Thomas. Further improvement will also come from new veteran depth in the form of Kirk Morrison. Defensively the team has upgraded 4 starting positions and 4-5 backup positions. Just to balance out the optimism a bit… The last piece the team needs to have a great defense IMO is another premier pass rusher. I'm on board with the Aaron Williams pick in the 2nd round but prize pass rushers drafted by other teams this year have looked excellent in preseason… Jabbal Sheard and Brooks Reed were both available at the Williams pick. I wanted Sheard with our 2nd pick. I'm also on board with the Kelvin Sheppard pick in the 3rd round but prize pass rusher Justin Houston was available when we picked Kelvin Sheppard. Houston, like Sheard and Reed, has looked good and we'll see him first hand tomorrow when he suits up for the Chiefs. Edited September 11, 2011 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Plus there are some of those guys that were playing hurt and severely limited their effectiveness...... Also....while the intent of this thread is the starters i think its important to point out that the direct backups are upgraded as well.....Danny Batten should be starting over kelsay.......williams is a quality corner off the bench........we have a solid starting backup free agent behind davis....... So its even better then that.....if we unfortunately take a hit we have some quality BEHIND the improved starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Why is everyone forgetting about Kirk Morrisson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Why is everyone forgetting about Kirk Morrisson? HA....beat ya to it Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Why is everyone forgetting about Kirk Morrisson? The starters are much better. Further improvement will also come from the development of 2nd year players Moats, Batten, Troup, Carrington. Further improvement will also come from highly-regarded rookies (not mentioned in original post) Williams, Sheppard, Searcy, Chris White, and Justin Thomas. Further improvement will also come from new veteran depth in the form of Kirk Morrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The starters are much better. Further improvement will also come from the development of 2nd year players Moats, Batten, Troup, Carrington. Further improvement will also come from highly-regarded rookies (not mentioned in original post) Williams, Sheppard, Searcy, Chris White, and Justin Thomas. Further improvement will also come from new veteran depth in the form of Kirk Morrison. Defensively the team has upgraded 4 starting positions and 4-5 backup positions. Just to balance out the optimism a bit… The last piece the team needs to have a great defense IMO is another premier pass rusher. I'm on board with the Aaron Williams pick in the 2nd round but prize pass rushers drafted by other teams this year have looked excellent in preseason… Jabbal Sheard and Brooks Reed were both available at the Williams pick. I wanted Sheard with our 2nd pick. I'm also on board with the Kelvin Sheppard pick in the 3rd round but prize pass rusher Justin Houston was available when we picked Kelvin Sheppard. Houston, like Sheard and Reed, has looked good and we'll see him first hand tomorrow when he suits up for the Chiefs. I likes sheard too but I trust that Wanny had a good read on him. If they truly liked anyone to get after theqb consistently I think they wouldve been the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I likes sheard too but I trust that Wanny had a good read on him. If they truly liked anyone to get after theqb consistently I think they wouldve been the choice. Absolutely… Wanny is undoubtedly a Sheard authority seeing as he recruited and coached him. OTOH, Sheard is starting in Cleveland so Wanny's input may or may not have had to do with the Bills 2nd round decision. My point is that while I like Williams, it bears watching Sheard and Brooks just as I will always compare Sheppard's career to Justin Houston's. I sure hope Williams and Sheppard are special players. You DO have to draft at least one cornerback every year because 60% of all plays from scrimmages are passing plays. The Bills didn't draft a cornerback last year so this year they drafted two. I get it and I hope we took the right player. Early returns are encouraging. Williams made some acrobatic interceptions in camp and he looks to be a cross between Antoine Winfield and Nate Clements… very physical and athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Absolutely… Wanny is undoubtedly a Sheard authority seeing as he recruited and coached him. OTOH, Sheard is starting in Cleveland so Wanny's input may or may not have had to do with the Bills 2nd round decision. My point is that while I like Williams, it bears watching Sheard and Brooks just as I will always compare Sheppard's career to Justin Houston's. I sure hope Williams and Sheppard are special players. You DO have to draft at least one cornerback every year because 60% of all plays from scrimmages are passing plays. The Bills didn't draft a cornerback last year so this year they drafted two. I get it and I hope we took the right player. Early returns are encouraging. Williams made some acrobatic interceptions in camp and he looks to be a cross between Antoine Winfield and Nate Clements… very physical and athletic. I agree as well with Williams. I think he's going to be really good but understand the Sheard and Reed arguments. Even more I am not sure why we wouldn't take a shot at DQuan Bowers. This guy was projected to be top 5-10 if not for the injury. It was a reap home run pick IMO. Not much to lose IMO. If you miss on a 3rd round pick then no big deal, if you hit on it it's HUGE. It's ok at this point because we really needed more solid players to come in and be players not hopefulls. Maybe next year were in a position to take a few more shots like this. Anyway. I'm so stoked for 1pm it's not funny. Kill the Chiefs!!! Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I agree as well with Williams. I think he's going to be really good but understand the Sheard and Reed arguments. Even more I am not sure why we wouldn't take a shot at DQuan Bowers. This guy was projected to be top 5-10 if not for the injury. It was a reap home run pick IMO. Not much to lose IMO. If you miss on a 3rd round pick then no big deal, if you hit on it it's HUGE. It's ok at this point because we really needed more solid players to come in and be players not hopefulls. Maybe next year were in a position to take a few more shots like this. Anyway. I'm so stoked for 1pm it's not funny. Kill the Chiefs!!! Go Bills!!! Wouldve had to take bowers at 34, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I agree as well with Williams. I think he's going to be really good but understand the Sheard and Reed arguments. Even more I am not sure why we wouldn't take a shot at DQuan Bowers. This guy was projected to be top 5-10 if not for the injury. It was a reap home run pick IMO. Not much to lose IMO. If you miss on a 3rd round pick then no big deal, if you hit on it it's HUGE. It's ok at this point because we really needed more solid players to come in and be players not hopefulls. Maybe next year were in a position to take a few more shots like this. Anyway. I'm so stoked for 1pm it's not funny. Kill the Chiefs!!! Go Bills!!! Bowers was a 2nd rd pick. Missing on them hurts. Badly. I would've been happy if we drafted bowers, as he is talented. The problem with him is his motor and injury. He was the #1 player coming out of HS, but wasn't an impact player til his final year. He was the one guy I didnt want in the first round, but his potential in the 2nd was intriguing. In retrospect, I'm happy with the pick. I think Williams will make some big plays for us in the future. Great cover corners are just as important as a good pass rusher in today's game. Im sure people will disagree with that statement, but that's how I see it. If he can be a #1, it'll be a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Plus there are some of those guys that were playing hurt and severely limited their effectiveness...... Also....while the intent of this thread is the starters i think its important to point out that the direct backups are upgraded as well.....Danny Batten should be starting over kelsay.......williams is a quality corner off the bench........we have a solid starting backup free agent behind davis....... So its even better then that.....if we unfortunately take a hit we have some quality BEHIND the improved starters Tell me why everybody but the coaches think anybody but Kelsey should be starting? I like Batten, and he has shown some flashes, but really? Another point ... Drayton Florence will be the first CB off of the bench if he is not starting within a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 4 Funny thing is I really wasn't sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The starters are much better. Further improvement will also come from the development of 2nd year players Moats, Batten, Troup, Carrington. Further improvement will also come from highly-regarded rookies (not mentioned in original post) Williams, Sheppard, Searcy, Chris White, and Justin Thomas. Further improvement will also come from new veteran depth in the form of Kirk Morrison. Defensively the team has upgraded 4 starting positions and 4-5 backup positions. Just to balance out the optimism a bit… The last piece the team needs to have a great defense IMO is another premier pass rusher. I'm on board with the Aaron Williams pick in the 2nd round but prize pass rushers drafted by other teams this year have looked excellent in preseason… Jabbal Sheard and Brooks Reed were both available at the Williams pick. I wanted Sheard with our 2nd pick. I'm also on board with the Kelvin Sheppard pick in the 3rd round but prize pass rusher Justin Houston was available when we picked Kelvin Sheppard. Houston, like Sheard and Reed, has looked good and we'll see him first hand tomorrow when he suits up for the Chiefs. I'd have to include second year in the defense as a helper too, even though there was no offseason. Wanny may help the game planning a little bit, but without the offseason I think he won't have the effect he could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Bowers was a 2nd rd pick. Missing on them hurts. Badly. I would've been happy if we drafted bowers, as he is talented. The problem with him is his motor and injury. He was the #1 player coming out of HS, but wasn't an impact player til his final year. He was the one guy I didnt want in the first round, but his potential in the 2nd was intriguing. In retrospect, I'm happy with the pick. I think Williams will make some big plays for us in the future. Great cover corners are just as important as a good pass rusher in today's game. Im sure people will disagree with that statement, but that's how I see it. If he can be a #1, it'll be a steal. that's the same way I feel. Personally I think Williams will be the better pick of the 2 players Im just saying Bowers was a potential dominant pass rusher and was available on the cheap. I'm glad it was Williams and I wasn't one of those "what are you doing drafting another CB" people. Truth is well probably grab one in rounds 2-3 next year as well as they will see that McKelvin isn't better than average and McGee will most likely be done with ANOTHER injury this year. I hope I'm wrong though. Happy Football Day!!! Best holiday of the year. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I gotta say I do love every part of the defense but Drayton Florence.........the guy can tackle.......maybe i just catch his bad games but every time i look up he is getting beat........San Diego days now days with us......Prove me wrong Drayton.......Lets go Bills! I am ready to lose my sh^% over Dareus's first sack soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 2010 Dwan Edwards Kyle Williams Marcus Stroad Chris Kelsey Andra Davis Paul Posulsny Chris Ellis Terrance McGee Donte Whitner Jarius Byrd Leodis McKelvin 2011 Dwan Edwards Kylw Willams Marcell Dareus Chris Kelsey Andra Davis Nick Barnett Shawn Merriman Terrance McGee Leodis McKelvin Jarius Bryd George Wilson 4 new starters and much much better IMO GO BILLS Along with all this, you can't overlook the effectiveness Dave Wannsteadt(however the hell you spell his name) is going to have on the defense as a whole, compared to last year. I like what I see and a lot of people are going to have the shiit surprised right out of them with this years defensive unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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