bobobonators Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Quinn is a great story too. He overcame a brain tumor when he was in H.S. He was suspended, like half the entire N.C. team was, for receiving improper benefits. I'd have no issue whatsoever if we take him at #3 depending on his interviews/physical shape at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloha22 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Quinn is a great story too. He overcame a brain tumor when he was in H.S. He was suspended, like half the entire N.C. team was, for receiving improper benefits. I'd have no issue whatsoever if we take him at #3 depending on his interviews/physical shape at the combine. Pretty sure he was suspended for improper tutor help, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbuck3 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Pretty sure he was suspended for improper tutor help, no? No, he was suspended with Marvin Austin and Greg Little for improper contact with an agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I've been talking about QUinn for months now, and he has got all the tools to be a top pass rusher in this league. Btw, he has a great inside move, so he's not just a speed rusher. WHen the combine comes, he won't run a 4.38, probably will be closer to mid 4.5's which would still be a phenomenal time for some one of his size. He's strong, agile, fast and productive, what's there not to like other than him missing football last year? Btw, his teammate Bruce Carter. Will probably be an even better pro who is stronger and faster than Quinn. Not a passrusher, but just a good overall LB. Edited February 24, 2011 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I've been talking about QUinn for months now, and he has got all the tools to be a top pass rusher in this league. Btw, he has a great inside move, so he's not just a speed rusher. WHen the combine comes, he won't run a 4.38, probably will be closer to mid 4.5's which would still be a phenomenal time for some one of his size. He's strong, agile, fast and productive, what's there not to like other than him missing football last year? Btw, his teammate Bruce Carter. Will probably be an even better pro who is stronger and faster than Quinn. Not a passrusher, but just a good overall LB. If not for suspensions that defense might have had a few first rounders this year. If we get 1-2 of them I won't complain one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 He was suspended last year for breaking NCAA rules. Next he will be mowing down old ladies on Niagara Falls Blvd. Just pass. Remember talent without character will not cut it in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Does anyone know if he's running at the combine? (Or if he already did?) I absolutely love Quinn. I love the size, the speed. If he runs anywhere near a 4.38 at the combine he could very well go #1. Originally I wanted the bills to possibly trade down to 7 or 8 with some team that fell in love with Newton/Peterson & pick up an extra 2nd & still be able to grab Quinn, but I do not think he will be around past #5 now. Quinn has been on my radar since around December as I started digging into the draft a bit. I had the same hopes as you, that the Bills might be able to slide back a spot or three, pick up an extra pick or two, and still grab Quinn who I think might be one of the most impressive defensive players in the draft. But you're right -- a good combine will eliminate that shot. And let's face it, he's a beast physically, there's no way he's not going to put up good numbers. The beauty of picking 3 is that there's no real bad player right now. If you think about it, the Bills can't really screw it up. I'd be happy with Quinn, Fairley, Bowers, Darius or Newton. I'd be disappointed if they took Green or Peterson -- but I think they're so gifted athletically that I could learn to live with it down the line. I am not a huge fan of Cam Jordan or Von Miller -- but I think they could be solid players even if they aren't as sexy as the other picks. I have eight players that I'd be fine with -- players that I think could really step in and help the Bills pretty quickly. And, with the possible exception of Newton (since QBs are a different breed), all eight of those guys seem to be pretty safe bets to be at the very least solid NFL starters. So really, unless the Bills go way off script and trade completely out of the top 10, I can't see a way they miss that badly. They certainly could pass up a super star for a solid cog in the machine (which is why I am no longer an advocate of trading back, take a shot that there's a super star at 3 and roll the dice) -- but that's true of everyone in the draft. I don't think though that there's a real big bust potential with this first pick. People here are just overly gun-shy about it because the front office has been so bad for so long. I've been one of the biggest critics. Yet, it's going to take record level incompetence on behalf of Wilson, Nix and Gailey to fug the first pick up. Of course, that doesn't mean there won't be (possibly large) sections of the population here on TSW screaming it's the end of the world regardless of who's picked ... but so long as it's one of those 8 dudes, I'm cool with it. Edit: I should note that when compiling those 8 guys I was thinking about the future of the team more so than just the next season. A guy like Newton wouldn't see the field in '11 but would become vital down the line. Edited February 24, 2011 by tgreg99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 its so stupid how people say oh he was suspended so he has major character issues!!! dont take him. there are many many different cases and not all are the same. AJ green was suspended for selling HIS jersey i repeat HIS OWN JERSEY for $1000. Nebraska sold multiple game worn jerseys at the same time but they kept the $. what does this teach the players. its ok for us not for you so your suspended? its weak. Quinn has also been labled a strong team leader who leads by example and his play. always in the gym as well. hes credited that with his recovering from the brain tumor his senior year in highschool. teammates and coaches love the kid. im not %100 but i think he was part of that group of players who went to cali for training and the agent paid for it or something like that. i think he would be a great player for the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloha22 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 He was suspended last year for breaking NCAA rules. Next he will be mowing down old ladies on Niagara Falls Blvd. Just pass. Remember talent without character will not cut it in this league. Niagara Falls Police Blotter on 103.3 The Edge. Ha, no - but in all seriousness, Quinn is a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) The beauty of picking 3 is that there's no real bad player right now. If you think about it, the Bills can't really screw it up. I wish that were true, but have you followed the Bills over the last 10 years? If there is one thing the Bills do "well" it's F up their 1st round draft pick... I have been trained by Ralph Wilson's front office to believe the Bills will take the WORST possible player at #3...And I'll believe that until I'm proven wrong... Having said that, Quinn is a beast and I hope we take him Edited February 24, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Quuinn probably won't be the number one pick, unless he shows something absolutely stellar in the combine. I would see him going in the top 5 though... and Buffalo may be the team to grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) its so stupid how people say oh he was suspended so he has major character issues!!! dont take him. there are many many different cases and not all are the same. AJ green was suspended for selling HIS jersey i repeat HIS OWN JERSEY for $1000. Nebraska sold multiple game worn jerseys at the same time but they kept the $. what does this teach the players. its ok for us not for you so your suspended? its weak. Quinn has also been labled a strong team leader who leads by example and his play. always in the gym as well. hes credited that with his recovering from the brain tumor his senior year in highschool. teammates and coaches love the kid. im not %100 but i think he was part of that group of players who went to cali for training and the agent paid for it or something like that. i think he would be a great player for the bills I agree that college rules are too strict, and Quinn shouldn't be judged as a "bad guy" because of the suspension....However the AJ green thing was just STUPID. AJ HAD to have known the selling property provided to him by the team for money during the season was against the rules (and if he didn't, he is even dumber than I thought). I have no doubt he did this knowing the rules. Again, having said that I'd still be happy with AJ on my team Who cares about character at this point, we need TALENT! Trent was a great high character guy...too bad he SUCKED. Edited February 24, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) He was suspended last year for breaking NCAA rules. Next he will be mowing down old ladies on Niagara Falls Blvd. Just pass. Remember talent without character will not cut it in this league. He was suspended for receiving improper benefits from an agent. Do you know what those benefits were? It was a free plane ticket to Miami and lodging so that he could work out and train at a special facility with current NFL players who are also clients of the agent during the offseason. I think he also was given some diamond earrings. Im not passing on a guy who could be the next Demarcus Ware because he went to the wrong gym. Edited February 24, 2011 by Thoner7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I think Quinn is going to be a good player, but for me, he's an even greater risk than Von Miller--the other pass rusher that's been hotly debated on this board. Think of it this way: if you're Buddy Nix, and you have to get this pick right, how can you possibly feel comfortable about drafting a guy with 1 productive season, who played in the ACC (not exactly a source of NFL-caliber competition), who produced 8 of his 11 sacks in that season in only 3 games, with off-field issues (whether you think they're serious or not, they're there), who's never played in a 3-4, benefitted from playing on a loaded defense (NFL prospects like Bruce Carter, Quan Sturdivant, Marvin Austin, and Deunta Williams), and who is 15 months removed from having played his last snap of competitive football? Like I said, I do think he'll be a good player, but this player is hardly the slam-dunk that many here are making him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Quinn is better than Bowers..... watch the tape.....Quinn can physically beat his blocker...Bowers can NOT. bowers relies on his speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Also, a point about the off-field issues: to me, are the transgressions themselves a big deal? Not really. However, there's no possible way that these kids don't know that what they're doing is against NCAA rules, which to me shows bad judgement. Bad judgement on the part of a draft prospect--whether you like the player or not--is a character issue. Kids all around the country have opportunities to take benefits, but many are smart enough to pass them up, knowing that their gratification will be delayed until they get to the NFL. If the choice comes down to a guy that's smart enough to wait for his money, versus the guy that jeopordizes his future by taking a benefit when it's against the rules, give me the former. Quinn is better than Bowers..... watch the tape.....Quinn can physically beat his blocker...Bowers can NOT. bowers relies on his speed. Not to sound snarky (although this probably will), but I'm pretty sure that nobody on this board has access to the coaches' tape; youtube maybe, but that's hardly "watching the tape". Nevertheless, I agree with you, Quinn's one good season was more impressive to me than Bowers' one good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I think Quinn is going to be a good player, but for me, he's an even greater risk than Von Miller--the other pass rusher that's been hotly debated on this board. Think of it this way: if you're Buddy Nix, and you have to get this pick right, how can you possibly feel comfortable about drafting a guy with 1 productive season, who played in the ACC (not exactly a source of NFL-caliber competition), who produced 8 of his 11 sacks in that season in only 3 games, with off-field issues (whether you think they're serious or not, they're there), who's never played in a 3-4, benefitted from playing on a loaded defense (NFL prospects like Bruce Carter, Quan Sturdivant, Marvin Austin, and Deunta Williams), and who is 15 months removed from having played his last snap of competitive football? Like I said, I do think he'll be a good player, but this player is hardly the slam-dunk that many here are making him out to be. That is a pretty tough argument to buy. Von Miller weighs 35-40 pounds less, and Quinn has similar or possibly more speed. True Miller played in a 3-4, but it is doubtful that at ~235 lbs he would be able to play OLB in the NFL, he would probably play ILB in a 3-4. Also, plenty of great top round talent has come out of the ACC..Julius Peppers, Mario Williams...When Quinn was playing he showed very rare domination, not just against the pass, but against the run too. Miller got pushed around when he wasn't speed rushing, especially against the run. I can't emphasize this enough, not only does Quinn have rare talent, but its combined with rare athleticism and size...Something the Bills desperately need... Many of the great 3-4 OLB's today were 4-3 DE's in college. Ware, Suggs, ect... Edited February 24, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm the resident UNC homer, so I'll bite. Quinn is a good kid -- no character issues. The NCAA violations were legitimate but nothing of the sort that should cause an NFL team to have concern. I would be thrilled with this pick at #3 for Buffalo. The Bills need a stud DE -- here's your stud DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) My understanding is that the shuttle drill is far more important for assessing DEs than the 40. Defensive ends don't run 40 yards unless something really bad or - more rarely - really good (turnover return) is happening. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/introducing-sackseer Maybin's short shuttle time was very average (4.38) and his vertical leap was 38 inches. I advise focusing on these things rather than the 40 time, which ultimately doesn't mean much. EDIT: Schobel had a blistering 4.03 time in the short shuttle. Terrell Suggs, who had a slow 40 time, ran a very strong 4.14 in the shuttle. He's turned out OK. Edited February 24, 2011 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coseybedaman Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Im not concerned with these NCAA regulations at all. Bottom line is this, the NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes yet excepts these guys to walk around dead broke all the time. As a college athlete, yes you get a free education and that is great, however football practice, meetings, functions, and games take up SOOO much of these guy's time. They should be paid something in my opinion. Of course I mean something small, and the same to every player. If these guys who mostly grew up poor, were given a few dollars so that they can live decent lives, then I think the whole money issue with college players would be cut down considerably. They arent even able to get part times jobs. Thats totally not right. Thats like saying "you have to pass all of your exams, but your not aloud to study". Its just not realistic. We only hear about 10 percent of the athletes who take money for something, the rest go under the radar. P.S. If this guy runs a 4.38 at the combine he probably will go #1. The chances of that happening in my opinion are ZERO! He is simply too big and too tall Edited February 24, 2011 by coseybedaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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