Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I think the Bills may end up being fortunate that they got the third pick overall instead of the second pick. - If they aren't targeting the same player as the Broncos, they will still get their player - The player will cost less - We will have the second pick in the second round, at which point it is more valuable to pick ahead of Cincinnati and Denver because Buffalo will be able to take the best player available (which is obviously important for teams with many different holes). Now, if Carolina picks Luck and Denver picks Fairley, I guess my logic kind of goes out the window (if those are our targets). But if their heart is already set on someone like Bowers, Gabbert, Peterson, Newton, etc., they will get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 We can trade a few of our previous first round picks to trade up with Carolina to get Luck. We can throw in McCargo, Maybin and Spiller to trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 1) What if Denver selects the same player the Bills want? 2) How is paying less a benefit? That just eases Ralph's pain a bit. Why would you want Ralph to have to pay less 3) Yeah, but that means the Bills select 5th in the 3rd and instead of drafing the 69th best player on the board, they will gamble because of the upside of the 143rd best player on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 1) What if Denver selects the same player the Bills want? 2) How is paying less a benefit? That just eases Ralph's pain a bit. Why would you want Ralph to have to pay less 3) Yeah, but that means the Bills select 5th in the 3rd and instead of drafing the 69th best player on the board, they will gamble because of the upside of the 143rd best player on the board. You must be a real hit at parties. the guy admitted if Denver picks the bills' man, it's tougher to swallow. But at least with comment #2 the idea is that the team has more money to spend on other players by virtue of spending less on an unproven rookie. This is especially relevant if they go back to a cap with the new CBA. As for #3, stop whining. It's tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 What if Denver and Carolina are happy with the qbs they got this year, what if for some reason they don't/can't find trades better than guys they want more. What if Luck falls to the Bills (talking about Lucky)? What if Fitz has a top 5 year next year (his contract year) and Luck has not proven anything because he is sitting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I don’t believe we will get the 2nd pick, I believe they go by worst SOS in round 1, and best SOS in round 2, worst SOS in rd 3, best SOS rd 4 and so on. That would make the 2nd go Pats (through Carolina), Cincy, Buffalo, Den. Am I wrong here? Can someone clarify with evidence please? Also, your logic is correct assuming one of the players we want falls to us. The problem with that is if we don’t want Luck and/or Fairley we are really up sh*ts creek because our scouts clearly suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb Riddick Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 What if Denver and Carolina are happy with the qbs they got this year, what if for some reason they don't/can't find trades better than guys they want more. What if Luck falls to the Bills (talking about Lucky)? What if Fitz has a top 5 year next year (his contract year) and Luck has not proven anything because he is sitting..... If Carolina and Denver don't want Luck...someone like Seattle, Arizona, or Oakland will trade up to get him. Luck will not get to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) You must be a real hit at parties Yes I am... and I get invited to a lot of em. When's your next one? Edited January 4, 2011 by Dr. Trooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Nah, I'd rather have the higher pick with an option to trade down if warranted. Denver and Buffalo may end up wanting the same player. Or maybe Denver trades with a team that wants the same player as the Bills. You want to be in control of your destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 1) What if Denver selects the same player the Bills want? 2) How is paying less a benefit? That just eases Ralph's pain a bit. Why would you want Ralph to have to pay less 3) Yeah, but that means the Bills select 5th in the 3rd and instead of drafing the 69th best player on the board, they will gamble because of the upside of the 143rd best player on the board. As fans, we can only accept what our team hands us. So until things go wrong, we always have that chance of the winds of change turning. All I am trying to say, quite simply, is that despite our draft position, things COULD work out better for us than if we picked second overall. Nah, I'd rather have the higher pick with an option to trade down if warranted. Denver and Buffalo may end up wanting the same player. Or maybe Denver trades with a team that wants the same player as the Bills. You want to be in control of your destiny. There is definatly truth to that, but I think a lot of times teams are able to control their own destiny, but in the end it doesn't matter. Statistically, there aren't a ton of trades in the top three. Obviously this drat could go any direction, but there is still a chance for it to play out accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Are you guys kidding me? New England has 2 First Round Picks - AND THE TOP SECOND ROUND PICK? - AGGGHHHHH!!!!! I haven't looked up the facts - but they probably have another second rounder, maybe a third or two... if they keep up like this, they'll be younger than the Bills in another couple of years, and still right on top. We've got to start building a team to win in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Are you guys kidding me? New England has 2 First Round Picks - AND THE TOP SECOND ROUND PICK? - AGGGHHHHH!!!!! I haven't looked up the facts - but they probably have another second rounder, maybe a third or two... if they keep up like this, they'll be younger than the Bills in another couple of years, and still right on top. We've got to start building a team to win in this division. It's already too late. New England, with their young guys and draft picks and excellent front office, is set to dominate for the next decade, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_phelaN1 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 We can trade a few of our previous first round picks to trade up with Carolina to get Luck. We can throw in McCargo, Maybin and Spiller to trade up. That is just flat out not going to happen. Sorry to crush your dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 What if Denver and Carolina are happy with the qbs they got this year, what if for some reason they don't/can't find trades better than guys they want more. What if Luck falls to the Bills (talking about Lucky)? What if Fitz has a top 5 year next year (his contract year) and Luck has not proven anything because he is sitting..... Didn't this happen in San Diego w/ Brees and Rivers. SD drafts Rivers. Brees had carrear year, got traded. Both teams ended up ok in the end w/ great QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Are you guys kidding me? New England has 2 First Round Picks - AND THE TOP SECOND ROUND PICK? - AGGGHHHHH!!!!! I haven't looked up the facts - but they probably have another second rounder, maybe a third or two... if they keep up like this, they'll be younger than the Bills in another couple of years, and still right on top. We've got to start building a team to win in this division. So who do we draft in your opinion then? Do we trade it away to get more picks? Sorry I knew that about NE btw they have 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, and 2 6ths I am just wondering what your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Didn't this happen in San Diego w/ Brees and Rivers. SD drafts Rivers. Brees had carrear year, got traded. Both teams ended up ok in the end w/ great QB's. Not to nitpick but Brees got franchised then got hurt in his last game as a charger and signed with the saints in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 That is just flat out not going to happen. Sorry to crush your dreams. What if both Carolina and Denver are late getting their picks in to the Commish? Do you think the Bills would have a shot at drafting Luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbyte Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 NE also has 2 4ths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I have a feeling that Denver will take Patrick Peterson. Especially if Champ Bailey decides to hang up the cleats. There is no way that Carolina does not take luck if he declares. That leaves Buffalo with option to choose the best defensive player on the board. Hello Marcel Dareus or Nick Fairley!! With regard to the OP....I don't think there are any advantages to picking 3rd as opposed to picking 2nd overall. Ralph will be able to pay a little less money than he would to the 2nd overall pick, but who really cares about that besides ol' Ralphie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrid Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 What if both Carolina and Denver are late getting their picks in to the Commish? Do you think the Bills would have a shot at drafting Luck? now THATS the best idea Ive heard. Maybe tie their shoelaces to their chairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 We can trade a few of our previous first round picks to trade up with Carolina to get Luck. We can throw in McCargo, Maybin and Spiller to trade up. "BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE"... (and I mean that in the most sarcastic way imaginable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills99999 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It doesn't matter because the for a 1st round pick, the Bills will pick somebody who is on NOBODY's radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffan00 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It doesn't matter because the for a 1st round pick, the Bills will pick somebody who is on NOBODY's radar I think this year they get it right!! We see that Chan isnt conventional in picking Spiller. So anything is possible!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It doesn't matter because the for a 1st round pick, the Bills will pick somebody who is on NOBODY's radar Just like when they drafted Reggie Corner, and the commentators had no clue who he was because he wasn't in their packet of the top 300 draft-eligible players, so they just spent a minute riffing on how crazy it is that his name is Corner, and he is a CORNER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I think this year they get it right!! We see that Chan isnt conventional in picking Spiller. So anything is possible!!! As an offensive-minded coach, I wouldn't be surprised if Chan will want to draft WR A.J. Green with the #3 pick. Wether or not this would happen is up for debate, but it wouldn't totally shock me if Green is the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsadale Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 What if both Carolina and Denver are late getting their picks in to the Commish? Do you think the Bills would have a shot at drafting Luck? Noone's drafting Luck. He's choosing another year of Stanford ****y over being top dog in the draft. What would YOU do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) We can trade a few of our previous first round picks to trade up with Carolina to get Luck. We can throw in McCargo, Maybin and Spiller to trade up. Throw in Brian Brohm and Ashton Yoboty too. I'm sure that is an offer Carolina couldn't refuse. I think this year they get it right!! We see that Chan isnt conventional in picking Spiller. So anything is possible!!! unconventional = dumbass. Edited January 5, 2011 by Mr. Wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegun12 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 As an offensive-minded coach, I wouldn't be surprised if Chan will want to draft WR A.J. Green with the #3 pick. Wether or not this would happen is up for debate, but it wouldn't totally shock me if Green is the pick. I have no idea what the Bills are going to do, but PLEASE no AJ Green at #3!!! We have so many other pressing needs and WR (with Steve Johnson and Lee Evans) is FAR from our biggest. They may not be all-world, but we really need to build up our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Didn't this happen in San Diego w/ Brees and Rivers. SD drafts Rivers. Brees had carrear year, got traded. Both teams ended up ok in the end w/ great QB's. The team that let got the promising rookie(Rivers) and let the steadily improving veteran QB(Brees)go didn't get a ring. The team that got him(Brees) got the ring. That being said probably neither of our statements have anything to do with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Are you guys kidding me? New England has 2 First Round Picks - AND THE TOP SECOND ROUND PICK? - AGGGHHHHH!!!!! I haven't looked up the facts - but they probably have another second rounder, maybe a third or two... if they keep up like this, they'll be younger than the Bills in another couple of years, and still right on top. We've got to start building a team to win in this division. That's the difference between winners and losers. They are getting great picks while still good, we get meh picks while still bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Didn't this happen in San Diego w/ Brees and Rivers. SD drafts Rivers. Brees had carrear year, got traded. Both teams ended up ok in the end w/ great QB's. Not to nitpick but Brees got franchised then got hurt in his last game as a charger and signed with the saints in the offseason Also, the Chargers didn't draft Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey13 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 We can trade a few of our previous first round picks to trade up with Carolina to get Luck. We can throw in McCargo, Maybin and Spiller to trade up. People need to stop talking about giving away picks to get luck. With as many holes as we have we need every pick we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin_Bills_Fan Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) I think the Bills may end up being fortunate that they got the third pick overall instead of the second pick. - If they aren't targeting the same player as the Broncos, they will still get their player - The player will cost less - We will have the second pick in the second round, at which point it is more valuable to pick ahead of Cincinnati and Denver because Buffalo will be able to take the best player available (which is obviously important for teams with many different holes). Now, if Carolina picks Luck and Denver picks Fairley, I guess my logic kind of goes out the window (if those are our targets). But if their heart is already set on someone like Bowers, Gabbert, Peterson, Newton, etc., they will get him. Totally agree. We will have a real good shot at drafting a defensive stud by having such a great draft pick. Luck will be gone by then so that will remove any temptation for Buddy to make a boneheaded move to draft a QB. Edited January 5, 2011 by Austin_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halijack Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 IF your uncle had breasts, he'd be your aunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'd rather pick #2 and not have to hope Denver picks someone else. Ralph has plenty of people protecting his wallet already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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