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We weren't keeping Marshawn. I didn't want to believe it myself and thought we would be stupid to get rid of him but I was wrong. One of the popular phrases of the era is "it's a passing league". Also popular is the "2 back system". We have have 2 great ones. One just starting his career and one closer to the end. I don't quite understand this debate as I am REALLY glad we have them both. Now Gailey just needs to find each of them enough touches for the sake of the team not for their individual egos.

Guys with Hill's measureables come along very rarely. Buddy was at GT's proday. They discussed Hill and Floyd at yesterdays presser and it was said that they think Hill can run the route tree but he wasn't in a system that allowed those talents to be displayed. He is a solid character guy who would seem to fit all of our needs with the exception of experience. That being said I don't think he will be the pick at #10. Would I be pissed? Not really but we could definitely make a pick with more "certainty". We could go for what we hope is a base hit double or we could swing for the fences. Maybe we fly out. Maybe we knock it out of the park. As I have said I really want this guy on our team but I think the only way we get him is a trade down in the first to the middle or late teens or we try to jump back into the first using some of our extra picks to move back up. Hill making it out of the 20's is a fantasy much less the 2nd round. If he won't make it out of the 20's or teens which I think 90% would agree with, is it really a stretch to take him at #10 if the front office has a strong feeling that this is the guy? I doubt it happens but I do feel that it is an option especially if Blackmon and Floyd are gone by #10 and we really want a WR.

Riiiight. What I am doing is giving you a forum to explain how this whole thread is useless by educating me to how mathematical coincidence explains this all away. I'm not a statistics or math major. I don't want to guess or infer what your point is which is why I asked you to enlighten me. So, here is your chance to explain your stated opinion. Remember, if you can't explain something simply, you probably don't understand it that well. The fact that you dodged the question in the way you did makes it seem very suspicious.

BB Staff members talking about Hill and Floyd. http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Whaley-and-Cook-on-WR-depth-Floyd-and-Hill/45d1470f-67ea-41f7-aa6c-415c2cff5ef5

So enlighten us oh wise one. How does mathematical coincidence explain an incredible statistic improbability if this coincidence is based on chance?

I've done it previous years and stopped because I saw the same type of pattern and it just made me angry.

Part of that history is us almost always playing the Pats after their bye week

This is my point. This tendency to always play the Pats after their bye week is not random it is premeditated. The benefit to the Pats is that they get to play a division rival almost every year after 2 weeks to prepare and rest. The cost to us is that we have had to play a division rival and division leader almost every year for the last 8. It's tough enough to take away a game from a division leading rival and much tougher after they have 2 weeks to rest and prepare. Teams don't get rusty middle of the season with an additional week of rest playing at home. It's pretty simple in my eyes.

4 out of the last 5 years and 6 of the last 8 I think. I would say that defies the statistical chance of it being just a "coincidence". If it were relatively random we should get the Pats after OUR bye week 50% of the time when it does happen. This also defies incredibly that statistical possibility. The reality of the situation makes it HIGHLY "suspicious" in my opinion.

Boning us over of course!

THIS IS THE PROBLEM WHEN THREADS GET MERGED! About 5 - 6 pages of this 8 page thread were regarding "How do we get Stephen Hill?" not "He will be the pick at #10". Hill WILL go in the 1st there is no doubt. #10 would be early and it would be based on speculation about his potential as well as his SICK measureables. If we move around in the draft it's possible that we might end up getting him. Picking Kendall Wright at #10 would be something that Al would do because he is undersized and plays fast!

Uh ....YES! Seriously it feels like every year they have 2 weeks to rest and prepare for us. This is what it is to be a Bills fan to have that perception and persecution complex. You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you!

It's a good sign but it's based only on last years schedule. If you have been a fan of football for any length of time you know some teams get better and some teams get worse. Injuries, free agency, breakout players, etc. Your own expectations of our team speaks volumes. Based on our 6-10 record last year we look like an easy out but we all feel we have made some significant improvements and we haven't even reached the draft yet. I think you have to have a little more patience than to expect a 180 next year solely based on strength of schedule which is based on last year's record. Personally I do fully expect us to make the play offs as I did last year IF WE STAY HEALTHY! When we were firing on all cylinders we looked like a play off team. Once the injuries started piling up and hit deep at positions like WR and CB, we fell off. Take a look sometime if you can find the "strength of schedule" for previous years and see how that compared to end of season record. Strength of schedule before a single game has been played is not meaningless but it is sometimes far from accurate.

ARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH How does my month old 5 page thread on "How do we get Stephen Hill?" get merged and replaced by a 2 page thread on "Stephen Hill WILL be the pick at #10" that hasn't been posted to in forever? Apparently we can have 10 different threads addressing the minutia of why somebody thinks Fitz sucks but these 2 separate threads, mine being the longest (*grin*) gets merged because it is a related topic? *sigh*. I guess someone wanted this thread dead as you have to search through your own previous posts to find out where it went. Maybe I am on to something!!!!

Thomas went 22 over all in the first round in the 2010 draft. I have no reason to think that Hill won't go around or before then. The "experts" would tend to agree with me.

Hill ran at 215lb at the combine and maintained his speed. It's also mentioned in the video I posted earlier in the thread. Randy Moss, Plaxico Burress have been some VERY successful bean poles as you put it in the NFL. Compared to Thomas Hill is taller and much faster which are even greater positives. Thanks for pointing that out. Thomas came out at 224lbs and didn't even run the 40 if I am not mistaken so his 4.5 is likely a proday friendly time. I agree they aren't the same type of player. I think Hill could be better as he has better measureables. The only thing that Thomas has over Hill is weight. Every other measureable Hills has it over Thomas. Hill's college production is lacking but who was throwing the rock at GT for Hill vs Thomas? They all sucked but in 2010 the 2 QBs who split time combined for a whopping 9 TDs for the entire season with 7 INTs and in 2011 they made a huge jump to a gaudy 11 TDs and 8 INTs. That is piss poor terrible. The problem isn't the low numbers for the WRs, it's the triple option scheme and the QBs throwing the ball.

Oh ya. Let's not forget that Tebow was his QB for a good portion of his time which doesn't help any WRs stats or growth! The odds are against it but the odds are against almost any player becoming a Bill. I don't know if you read any of the 5 pages or are just dumping on the thread because it is 5 pages long but Buddy Nix was at GT's pro day personally to watch Hill. I don't think ole Buddy hops on a plane and flies around the country for fun unless there is some real interest or fact finding going on. There is some information out there that Stephen Hill is supposed to make a visit at some point before the draft. This was based on some speculation of identifying 26 of the 30 player visits we allow. The resume is short from a receptions stand point but he has to be a blocker having been in the 3 option system for years. The only knock on him is GT didn't throw much and the hometown kid wanted to stay in Georgia. He has things you can't teach like 6'5", 215 and running in the low 4.3s. Oh...lets not forget a ridiculous vertical leap. Seems to be exactly what Nix and Co are looking for. A big fast field stretcher who is open when he is not. Floyd is a much more obvious choice but has off field issues and is not nearly as gifted as Hill. I really think that Hill may end up being the best WR out of this draft in the long run.

What are your thoughts on Demarius Thomas? I believe he was in the same situation and he didn't have a lot of stats but has turned into a #1 for Denver after dealing with some health issues. As a side note it was also mention in an article from the GT coach if I am not mistaken that says having worked in the triple option he is well experienced at all the other things WRs do like blocking for ball carriers and read and react type stuff. A WR's primary job of course is to run routes and catch the ball but apparently he has a good deal of experience with all the other things a WR has to do.

Great points except for the fact that Buddy Nix was sighted at his pro day. I don't think Buddy does much traveling unless there is some serious consideration. I was being honest. Great point. I don't see this happening unless there is some movement in the draft. I would not poop a brick if we took him at #10 but I find it highly unlikely. It would be considered one of the bigger "reaches" in recent history. If I'm not mistaken this was post combine after his measureables made him a consensus first round pick. Consensus first round pick meaning he will "go" in the first round. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/3/9/2856717/2012-nfl-draft-stephen-hill-buffalo-bills If it happens I would imagine that it would be due to a trade back or a trade up back into the 1st round. 22 might be a bit late though. For what it's worth he was interviewed and featured on Sports Center and seems like a solid well spoken character guy. First thing he plans on doing with his money when asked was to give his tithe to the church and take care of his parents.

More Stephen Hill news. Working out with Calvin "Megatron" Johnson CAN'T be a bad thing! http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/15/georgia-tech-coach-says-stephen-hill-is-ready-for-an-nfl-offense/ By the way does anyone know if we have had this guy in for a visit?

Stephen Hill! Anyone deep into football and other teams for whatever reasons, fantasy being one of them, knows GT has put out two really good WRs in Calvin Johnson and Demarius Thomas. If Blackmon and Floyd are gone we would catch major hell for taking him but the guy could be the best out of the class. It might not happen day 1 but I think he will be the best of the bunch. I would really like us to trade down or trade back into the first to get him.

Good points. If you agree with some fans that Hairston did just fine at LT we could take Glenn and let him compete with Hairston. Whichever one wins out is the starter the other becomes a swing tackle/guard as depth on the line. Guys need a rest and people get hurt. Fantasy.

I don't see much risk with Floyd on the field. If his alcohol issues, which any one of us on this board could have gotten caught for, are behind him. I not only have no worries about Floyd I would be ecstatic that he fell to us and we picked him. Give Fitz a real #2 not the bums we had playing the spot last season. I like Nelson and have big hopes for Easely if he can ever get on the field but Floyd is a day 1 starter at the very least a #3 and quite possibly a #2 if we have the same injuries we seem to have every year. The only guy on our roster that I feel is worthy of being a #2 is Easely and as mentioned he has yet to play a regular season down for us. Floyd would be such a good fit.

It doesn't change my mind as I was already convinced. The only problem is that he is listed at MLB. Wansted has already said that Sheppard is his guy at that spot. That being said I don't have much doubt Keuchly could play OLB with all of his speed and skill. Some have mentioned that we play nickel defense quite a bit but with a guy like this we might be able to stay in our base defense as he can cover TEs and defend the run. If we stay in our base defense more Keuchly might be able to cover the likes of Gronkowski and Hernandez considering our expected much improved pass rush. If we get him I assume he going to play OLB because Wanny likes Sheppard. WR, LT and "possibly" CB are just as big needs but we likely have a plethora of 3-4 LBs that might not fit in the new 4-3 scheme. As Nix said we need LBs and more than one.

Sort of. We actually moved up to get Poz in the second and he was OK. Lynch has been a workhorse NFL RB. Despite neither being on the team anymore those were two decent picks. I'm not saying best ever but good. Lynch had off field issues which eventually got him run out of Buffalo and Poz couldn't cover a TE to save his life but they were good starters.