Tortured Soul Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/...-guru-mel-kiper Can Buffalo's struggles at finding a long term answer at QB be related to them consistently drafting QBs who have played for warm weather schools? Mel Kiper (1:45 PM) Not really. Jim Kelly played at Miami and he went to the Hall of Fame. He almost won them multiple Super Bowls. Should have won at least one. Trent Edwards showed flashes at times. Losman was there, but now he's in Oakland after playing in the USFL. Bernie Kosar came out of Miami and had an excellent career in Cleveland. I made a comment when the Bears drafted Cade McNown that he didn't have the arm strength to play in the wind and cold. There are times when it's valid. But Trent Edwards has a great arm. If a QB has a very average arm, then you have to worry about it. J (Milwaukee) To piggy back that last question, can Bradford, McCoy, or Claussen sling in the winds and cold of Buffalo? Mel Kiper (1:48 PM) People keep making this comment that Clausen doesn't have a good arm, he does. They keep saying he doesn't have an Elway arm, but who does? Elway and Burt Jones have the best arms I've seen. Clausen doesn't have the Elway arm, but his arm is very strong. He can make any throw you need him to make. When he had to stick it in there to a smaller receiver in Golden Tate, he did just that. Tate told me a couple of weeks ago that he can't remember a throw that wasn't precisely thrown and hit him in stride. Clausen played through adversity, the turf toe. He's the best QB in the draft. Sam Bradford is right there. Does he get a good bill of health at the combine? If he does, he's right there. The shoulder's the key thing for him. Mel Kiper (1:49 PM) After that, Colt McCoy has the biggest game in any of the bowl games. He struggled against Oklahoma's defense in October and he struggled against Nebraska. This is a great Alabama defense with Nick Saban. If he does well, he's a second round pick, maybe first. If he doesn't, he's a third rounder. Tony Pike from Cincinnati, it will be interesting to see how he plays against that Florida defense. Mel Kiper (1:51 PM) You don't always want to look at one specific game that a QB has. On the heels of Oklahoma and Nebraska, this will be the third game against a top flight defense in Alabama for McCoy. If it were one game, it wouldn't matter. This will be the third game that he'll face and in the previous two, he struggled. It's important because if he wants to go into the process with momentum, he needs to play well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Is there an archive of Mel Kiper articles from years past? I'd like to read what he's said about other QB's coming out of college and see how often he is right. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Is there an archive of Mel Kiper articles from years past? I'd like to read what he's said about other QB's coming out of college and see how often he is right. PTR He thought Leaf was a better QB coming out than Manning was. I like him for the most part but I take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He never played, coached, or worked in football at any level. I believe he just attended juco. I give him credit for conning ESPN into paying him but he is essentially an internet poster who just gets paid to watch college football. Great gig but hardly anyone I'd put any real stock into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 He thought Leaf was a better QB coming out than Manning was. I like him for the most part but I take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He never played, coached, or worked in football at any level. I believe he just attended juco. I give him credit for conning ESPN into paying him but he is essentially an internet poster who just gets paid to watch college football. Great gig but hardly anyone I'd put any real stock into. To be fair he is right at a higher rate then an internet poster BUT he is far from perfect (he sucks at scouting QB's) and the draft is a crapshoot anyway so for anyone to be a guru at it is just strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Is there an archive of Mel Kiper articles from years past? I'd like to read what he's said about other QB's coming out of college and see how often he is right. PTR Same here. I would presume he is off the mark more than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 To be fair he is right at a higher rate then an internet poster BUT he is far from perfect (he sucks at scouting QB's) and the draft is a crapshoot anyway so for anyone to be a guru at it is just strange. I agree for the msot part and he created a niche for himself. However, I'd love to challenge him for his salary and get to watch films & evaluate players to see who is more right. That would be a great reality show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 He thought Leaf was a better QB coming out than Manning was. I like him for the most part but I take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He never played, coached, or worked in football at any level. I believe he just attended juco. I give him credit for conning ESPN into paying him but he is essentially an internet poster who just gets paid to watch college football. Great gig but hardly anyone I'd put any real stock into. Last year they did a rating of the pundits who did best on draft picks in the last five years. Kiper was in the top ten. Saying that, nobody is perfect, right up to and including Polian. But Kiper is among the absolute best of the non-team-employed guys out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABills08 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Any word from Kiper on Mallet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Any word from Kiper on Mallet? from the same chat: Scott (Fayetteville, AR) Ryan Mallett submitted his NFL Evaluation Papers this week...What are they going to tell him? If he comes out, where does he get drafted? Mel Kiper (1:11 PM) The advisory board is a great thing to have, but it tends to be ultra conservative with their ratings. Ultimately, they would like to see these kids go back and they don't want to see a kid go lower than where they said he would go because they would throw it back in their face. People jump on me, Todd and other analysts, but the advisory board has been wrong at times too. It's not perfect. It's a nice tool to have for the players, but it's not perfect. Jake Locker went back, perhaps because they didn't tell him he was going to be a first round pick. He would have been a top 10 pick. Mallett needs another year, just like Locker, for his football development. But both are too good to overlook in the first round. Mallett, with his size and arm, he would be in the discussion about being in the top 10. I think he would have been in the early to mid first round. He has all of those sophomore WRs. His main RB returns. He has a lot of talent around him coming back. We'll have to wait and see on his decision. With Locker going back, if Mallett goes back, they'll be competing for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Eric Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Kiper Profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Kiper Profile. Are those "proof of genius" quotes true? Jeebuz. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Who the hell is Mel Kiper JR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Credibility lost, Melvin. I made a comment when the Bears drafted Cade McNown that he didn't have the arm strength to play in the wind and cold. There are times when it's valid. But Trent Edwards has a great arm. If a QB has a very average arm, then you have to worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Not really. Jim Kelly played at Miami and he went to the Hall of Fame. He almost won them multiple Super Bowls. Should have won at least one. Trent Edwards showed flashes at times. Losman was there, but now he's in Oakland after playing in the USFL. Bernie Kosar came out of Miami and had an excellent career in Cleveland. I made a comment when the Bears drafted Cade McNown that he didn't have the arm strength to play in the wind and cold. There are times when it's valid. But Trent Edwards has a great arm. If a QB has a very average arm, then you have to worry about it.J (Milwaukee) Jim Kelly went to Miami, but he's from PA. Bernie Kosar is from Ohio. Cade McNown is from Oregon. I don't care so much where they went to school as I do where they're from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbuk3 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/...-guru-mel-kiper Not really. Jim Kelly played at Miami and he went to the Hall of Fame. He almost won them multiple Super Bowls. Should have won at least one. Trent Edwards showed flashes at times. Losman was there, but now he's in Oakland after playing in the USFL. Bernie Kosar came out of Miami and had an excellent career in Cleveland. I made a comment when the Bears drafted Cade McNown that he didn't have the arm strength to play in the wind and cold. There are times when it's valid. But Trent Edwards has a great arm. If a QB has a very average arm, then you have to worry about it. J (Milwaukee) Yes, Kelly played at Convict U, but grew up in Western PA, so he was no stranger to foul weather. Ditto for Kosar who grew up in the Youngstown, OH area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyng1 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Kiper Profile. I had never heard of www.dickipedia.org - Frigging Genius. There are some excellent entries besides Mel Kiper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I say leave all the QB's alone and pick up a LT. Better bet to not be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 He thought Leaf was a better QB coming out than Manning was. I like him for the most part but I take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He never played, coached, or worked in football at any level. I believe he just attended juco. I give him credit for conning ESPN into paying him but he is essentially an internet poster who just gets paid to watch college football. Great gig but hardly anyone I'd put any real stock into. I just opened Kiper's 1998 Draft Report and it had Manning #1, not Leaf (who was #2). He had them both graded at 9.7 but he had Manning ahead of Leaf. So, you take what he says with such a huge grain of salt, you don't even know what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I just opened Kiper's 1998 Draft Report and it had Manning #1, not Leaf (who was #2). He had them both graded at 9.7 but he had Manning ahead of Leaf. So, you take what he says with such a huge grain of salt, you don't even know what he says. He also had J. Russel at #1. Half the time I think these guys just rate the players as to where they will be drafted, no when they should be drafted. Thats my only explanation to them rating Maybin so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 arm strength is needed but not the most important...hell look at boller who could kneel down at the 50 and clear the uprights...russell could do it from even further but i never saw the video. we need a qb in the worst way...schaub gets sacked constantly, so did palmer, and rodgers but they still are gamers and can win em for you. you can build a line if the defense respects your qb...if you dont have a qb your line will look awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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