lifefan Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJay1234 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players? NOPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If it aint a big name player that's washed up, it'll be something else... a stupid draft pick that everyone wants... like "Pusslusny", Maybin, or "Hardly"... or a new type hat, new unis.... anything to sell tickets to the stupid, but no substantive changes that would turn the franchise around to winning consistently. Look, Ralph is 92. There's no longer a fire in the belly. Winning is that last thing he gives a crap about. He knows, at his age, he doesn't have a lot of time left... that's a fact of nature. His focus is squarely exiting this world leaving his heirs with a well thought out estate with next to no headaches. Brandon's orders are to jus keep on keeping on. Sell tickets. When fans B word about the losing, Ralph will give the necessary lip service.... we've all heard it before. "This is unacceptable" "I'm going to look at the entire organization" "we're going to be a major player in free agency" All this crap about him going to pay up to $10M/yr. for a coach is BS, more lip service... ain't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got_Wood Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If it aint a big name player that's washed up, it'll be something else... a stupid draft pick that everyone wants... like "Pusslusny", Maybin, or "Hardly"... or a new type hat, new unis.... anything to sell tickets to the stupid, but no substantive changes that would turn the franchise around to winning consistently. Look, Ralph is 92. There's no longer a fire in the belly. Winning is that last thing he gives a crap about. He knows, at his age, he doesn't have a lot of time left... that's a fact of nature. His focus is squarely exiting this world leaving his heirs with a well thought out estate with next to no headaches. Brandon's orders are to jus keep on keeping on. Sell tickets. When fans B word about the losing, Ralph will give the necessary lip service.... we've all heard it before. "This is unacceptable" "I'm going to look at the entire organization" "we're going to be a major player in free agency" All this crap about him going to pay up to $10M/yr. for a coach is BS, more lip service... ain't happening. Wow, that's the spirit Ebenezer Scrooge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Wow, that's the spirit Ebenezer Scrooge. ralph is scrooge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players? Revamping the GM/FO is what this team really needs anyway and let the GM hire a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Revamping the GM/FO is what this team really needs anyway and let the GM hire a HC. Agreed. Getting a big-name coach and letting him do everything is a high-risk move. Best to get a good GM and let him put together a front office and coaching staff PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Revamping the GM/FO is what this team really needs anyway and let the GM hire a HC. good idea....GM 1st then let the GM pick the coach...-We dont want Ralph picking another coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I know the fans will keep coming back for more punishment regardless of what happens this weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 All this crap about him going to pay up to $10M/yr. for a coach is BS, more lip service... ain't happening. So sitting down with Shanahan was just lip service? Look, I understand any Bills fan being jaded, but that's just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousetrap08 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If it aint a big name player that's washed up, it'll be something else... a stupid draft pick that everyone wants... like "Pusslusny", Maybin, or "Hardly"... or a new type hat, new unis.... anything to sell tickets to the stupid, but no substantive changes that would turn the franchise around to winning consistently. Look, Ralph is 92. There's no longer a fire in the belly. Winning is that last thing he gives a crap about. He knows, at his age, he doesn't have a lot of time left... that's a fact of nature. His focus is squarely exiting this world leaving his heirs with a well thought out estate with next to no headaches. Brandon's orders are to jus keep on keeping on. Sell tickets. When fans B word about the losing, Ralph will give the necessary lip service.... we've all heard it before. "This is unacceptable" "I'm going to look at the entire organization" "we're going to be a major player in free agency" All this crap about him going to pay up to $10M/yr. for a coach is BS, more lip service... ain't happening. I could not agree with you more I'll believe it when I see it.I think RW is just blowing smoke up are you no whats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 How many "name" guys want to coach in a small market with no starting QB, a poor OL, strong safeties playing LB, and a nonagenarian for an owner who is known league-wide as the meddling decision maker. When RW said signing TO was a commitment to success I laughed and wondered: does he really have a handle on what's going on league wide? Go ahead and call fans who recognize these items as negative, but if you don't think they factor into where that "name" guy goes you're fooling yourself. I have this sinking feeling that we'll hear the Bills tried and it didn't work, so they had to fall back on a retread. Frankly, trusting 91 year old men to rebuild a franchise is worse than wishful thinking, it's insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelRipper Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 How many "name" guys want to coach in a small market with no starting QB, a poor OL, strong safeties playing LB, and a nonagenarian for an owner who is known league-wide as the meddling decision maker. bingo... thats why I think we'd be better off with some younger coaches looking to prove themselves. If they want a place to come, recruit, coach and show the world what they can bring from nothing, then the bills are where they want... or at least it would be nice to think of it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Regardless of who the Bills pick to run the show, we will all talk ourselves into what a brilliant pick it was by training camp. It is what we do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Revamping the GM/FO is what this team really needs anyway and let the GM hire a HC. Sounds good on paper. But when the season's over there's gonna be a run on the head coaches and GMs. So if you go after a GM first, by the time he gets hired and working, the good coaches will be gone. Go for both at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players? I believe that its either going to be Shanny or a offensive coordinator type like Russ Grimm. I don't think that Ralph is going to go with a retread like Martz or Haslet. Its big name or try and strike with a coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Regardless of who the Bills pick to run the show, we will all talk ourselves into what a brilliant pick it was by training camp. It is what we do... well most of the lemmings anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I believe that its either going to be Shanny or a offensive coordinator type like Russ Grimm. I don't think that Ralph is going to go with a retread like Martz or Haslet. Its big name or try and strike with a coordinator. Shanny is by no means the only big name. There are a ton out there. Let me name a few. Cowher, Dungy, Holmgren, Billick, Fassel, Gruden, Callahan, Martz, the Mooch, Reeves, Vermiel, Capers, Marty, perhaps Fox, Lovie Smith, or Jeff Fisher. I'd take any of these guys over Grimm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If we don't get a "big name" then it's like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day or The Talking Heads lyric... "Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was." *Making choping motion across left forearm with right hand* For those who don't get the reference, forward to the 3:50 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-io-kZKl_BI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players? I would rather he spent that money on a #1 GM. I dont care if Moses was the coach, he wouldnt be able to assemble this team to win with out the nessasary players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Sounds good on paper. But when the season's over there's gonna be a run on the head coaches and GMs. So if you go after a GM first, by the time he gets hired and working, the good coaches will be gone. Go for both at the same time. That's why I stated right after DJ got fired that a new GM should be in place before the last three games. I guess we've got one week left to do the right thing.... but, Ralph don't give a crap about reshaping the organization. He'll continue to "play" us like a violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 How many "name" guys want to coach in a small market with no starting QB, a poor OL, strong safeties playing LB, and a nonagenarian for an owner who is known league-wide as the meddling decision maker. When RW said signing TO was a commitment to success I laughed and wondered: does he really have a handle on what's going on league wide? Go ahead and call fans who recognize these items as negative, but if you don't think they factor into where that "name" guy goes you're fooling yourself. I have this sinking feeling that we'll hear the Bills tried and it didn't work, so they had to fall back on a retread. Frankly, trusting 91 year old men to rebuild a franchise is worse than wishful thinking, it's insanity. good post. the answer to your first question is "no one". this is easy. until long term ownership is in place, no one you've ever heard of is running this team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players? The Bills need to be in control of their own destiny. With all due respect to Shanahan, if he wants to wait until the end of the season so that he can field the best offer FOR HIMSELF, then the Bills need to move ahead and make the best selection FOR THEM as soon as possible. No one should be bigger than the club. Anyone holding the organization in limbo until he can get the sweetest deal for himself should not be part of the equation. Rather than a Big Name coach, I truly want Ralph to step back, hire the best GM available, and allow that GM to go to work. I don't care who that GM hires as coach (as long as it is NOT Martz or Billick), providing that the GM brought in knows what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 A GM can't be hired until after the season ends, unless he goes after someone currently unemployed. So anyone complaining that he hasn't interviewed for any GM's yet, we really can't get someone until their season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 get down to basics. "Big Name" isn't the solution (can you spell Bledsoe, TO, etc?) The team starts at the top and that's the GM or head of football operations (Spell Pollian or Butler? Actually I'm not sure I'm spelling it correctly.) The GM should do what John Wooden did at UCLA. Bring the whole staff in and teach them how to put on their socks and tie their shoes. Then find a coach he is comfortable with...who will bring in the players and show THEM how to put on their socks and tie their shoes. Draft and acquire to build a team from the trenches back. Get players who want a superbowl ring and will make every sacrifice to get one. Get the whole operation on the same page. Its not brain surgery, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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