Dan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yeah we do. We are about to get a new GM and HC hopefully one(s) that Ralph is going to pay to dollar for. They need a high draft pick to get the turn around of this Team started. This season is over anyway. Using logic like this, some people here have been rooting for the Bills to lose out for about 4 years now. I wonder if they even like the team they're supposedly a fan of anymore? .... Plus, I just can't root for my team to lose. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I dont know man......I am seeing both sides to this tanking thing.... - The negatives. I dont like rooting against my team. It gives me a weird feeling because I am just too vested in the team emotionally......You also run the chance of becoming a team that is USED to losing and does not know how to win (Unfortunatley I think it is too late as I think that is where this team is at) - The positives. We something for a new GM and HC to work with. When was the last time we actually had a top 3 pick? It just gives you so many options. You are going to get a blue chipper or you can even trade out of that spot down a few spots and pick up valuable picks. I think we picking top 5 this year and we will try every game. Injuries, horrid offense, and lack of making the HC move sooner have doomed this team for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's a fine line and people always get their panties in a bunch when people say "root to lose". I think that's the phrase or mentality that makes people say "you're not a real fan then!" A guy who's rooting for his own team to lose BECAUSE he wants/believes that it will ultimately lead to a better future doesn't make them any less of a fan. It's like with your kids. You never WANT them to get hurt or experience pain, but sometimes you know that those experiences are the only way for your kid to grow and learn. So you never WANT your kid to get hurt, but sometimes he/she needs to in order to mature. Personally, I don't actively root for the Bills to lose. Ever. I go into every game hoping for a win because when the ball is teed up, I get excited and just want to see them do well. But, at this point in time, when they lose, I take it WAY better because I see the positives that can come from it. In any season, loses in Weeks 1 through 5 devastate and affect me more than a grown man should admit to. Same can be said about loses when the team is in playoff contention later on in the season. But losses when the team is out of contention (like now), and when the team is in desperate need of a regime change AND a cornerstone / franchise type player that (may) be found in the draft? Those I don't mind as much. So for me it's win-win. If the Bills win, then I'm a happy guy because my team won. If they lose, I'm a happy guy because, as ICE says, it's better for the team's future in '10 and beyond. But it is ridiculous, in my opinion, to say you're not a fan if you're rooting for a better future for your team -- even at the expense of it's present. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 We very well may lose out, but it won't be on purpose. we wouldnt know what to do with a #1 pick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yeah we do. We are about to get a new GM and HC hopefully one(s) that Ralph is going to pay to dollar for. They need a high draft pick to get the turn around of this Team started. This season is over anyway. Is your avatar any kind of hint as to who you think we should take with that pick? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 we wouldnt know what to do with a #1 pick.... We would trade down anyway, RW does not want to pay #1 salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 we wouldnt know what to do with a #1 pick....If Ralph wanted to take Flutie #1 in 1985, he might also want to take Tebow #1 in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 If Ralph wanted to take Flutie #1 in 1985, he might also want to take Tebow #1 in 2010. Now that would be painful. Am I the only on who thinks Tebow will be a 2nd day draft pick based on his size and the system he played in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 rooting against your own team is sick...it'd be like sleeping with your sister. Besides, maybe Perry is the next great coach. I've been all for bringing in Shanahan since the day he was fired by Denver but if it turns out that Perry is a great head coach, why make that switch?A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush Real fans ALWAYS root FOR their teams...no exceptions to that rule....once you root against a team, you can't really call yourself a fan of that team. Losing does nothing that's positive...maybe that's just my opinion...but I'm not some phony pansy-assed quitter yes, 100% with you. I still watch the games every week--I would love to see the Bills win. It's not like there are only 9 good college players entering the draft, where we pick is fairly irrelevant. I'd rather the club become an exciting enough prospect for free agents/respected coaches and players to want to come to. Seriously, what respectable veteran is coming to a team that loses by 30 every week? You get a team that busts their a$$ for a 5-11 record, you get attention beyond Lions-esque pity. Delusional perhaps, but I still think I am right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 No, no, no. Absolutely not. Top 10 rookie contracts are death. This team will never rebound if we keep that much coin locked up on worthless rookies who are a shot in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 rooting against your own team is sick...it'd be like sleeping with your sister. Besides, maybe Perry is the next great coach. I've been all for bringing in Shanahan since the day he was fired by Denver but if it turns out that Perry is a great head coach, why make that switch?A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush Real fans ALWAYS root FOR their teams...no exceptions to that rule....once you root against a team, you can't really call yourself a fan of that team. Losing does nothing that's positive...maybe that's just my opinion...but I'm not some phony pansy-assed quitter There was one exception: Dec. 7, 1968 (!). The entire city was rooting for a loss against Houston. The Bills were 1 - 12, the Eagles were 2 - 11. BUF lost, posting a 1 - 13 record, thereby winning the OJ Simpson Derby. PHI lost the following week (the AFL started their season a week ahead of the NFL) and drafted Purdue's DB/WR Leroy Keyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Cleveland 1-9 L St Louis 1-9 L Tampa Bay 1-9 L Detroit 2-8 just beat Cleve Buffalo 3-7 L Oakland 3-7 just beat Cincy Tenn 3-6 W Washington 3-7 L Seattle 3-7 L Kansas City 3-7 just beat Pitt I'm thinking the Bills get the 5th pick, this shambles of a team really stinks, with 12 players on IR and more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 No, no, no. Absolutely not. Top 10 rookie contracts are death. This team will never rebound if we keep that much coin locked up on worthless rookies who are a shot in the dark. Yea, Payton Manning sucks... So does that Stafford guy 26/43 422 yds 5 TD's this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Am I the only on who thinks Tebow will be a 2nd day draft pick based on his size and the system he played in college? I can understand the questions about the offense he plays in, but I can't see how his being 6'3" 245lbs is a negative. He shouldn't go in the first round, but at this point, I think Tebow is almost underrated. I'd certainly rather see the Bills draft Tim Tebow than Tony Pike, Dan LeFevour or any of the other 2nd tier QBs in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 What about Billszone? Oh no you di'nt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamRoller67 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 we wouldnt know what to do with a #1 pick.... Maybe they can draft a black sheep clone of Bruce Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebe's Kid Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I will personally never root against the Bills. How could i ever root for Miami, or Brady? Rooting for them to lose is asinine. I will say that the loses are easier to take. A month or two ago yesterday rips my heart out, but I actually saw a lot of positives in that game and began to get a glimmer of hope. I know the draft pick is very important, but maybe I am confusing senility with serenity, but I have a feeling that it is all going to work out for us... This could be my typical optimism that leads to my crashing to the ground with a resounding thud around the middle of next year, but it feels a little different. I think we are on the verge, my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yea, Payton Manning sucks... So does that Stafford guy 26/43 422 yds 5 TD's this week It's a lottery and if you consistently pick in the top 10 you're doomed. Top 10 Lottery Picks since 2000. 2003 Carson Palmer QB Charles Rogers WR Andre Johnson WR Dewayne Robertson DT Terance Newman CB Jonathan Sullivan DT Byron Leftwich QB Jordon Gross OT Kevin Williams DT Terrell Subs DE 2004 Eli Manning QB Robert Gallery OT Larry Fitzgerald WR Phillip Rivers QB Sean Taylor S Kellen Winslow TE Roy Williams WR DeAngelo Hall CB Reggie Williams WR Dunta Robertson CB 2005 Alex Smith QB Ronnie Brown RB Braylon Edwards WR Cedric Benson RB Carnell Williams RB Adam Jones CB Troy Williamson WR Antrel Rolle CB Carlos Rogers CB Mike Williams WR 2006 Mario Williams DE Reggie Bush RB Vince Young QB D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT AJ Hawk LB Vernon Davis TE Michael Huff S Donte Whitner S Ernie Sims LB Matt Leinart QB 2007 JaMarcus Russell QB Calvin Johnson WR Joe Thomas OT Gaines Adams DE Levi Brown OT LaRon Landry S Adrian Peterson RB Jamaal Anderson DE Ted Ginn Jr. WR Amobi Okoye DT 2008 Jake Long OT Chris Long DE Matt Ryan QB Darren McFadden RB Glenn Dorsey DT Vernon Gholston DE Sedrick Ellis DT Derrick Harvey DE Keith Rivers OLB Jerod Mayo ILB There are as many boogers in that list than there are blue chippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's a lottery and if you consistently pick in the top 10 you're doomed. Top 10 Lottery Picks since 2000. 2003 Carson Palmer QB Charles Rogers WR Andre Johnson WR Dewayne Robertson DT Terance Newman CB Jonathan Sullivan DT Byron Leftwich QB Jordon Gross OT Kevin Williams DT Terrell Subs DE 2004 Eli Manning QB Robert Gallery OT Larry Fitzgerald WR Phillip Rivers QB Sean Taylor S Kellen Winslow TE Roy Williams WR DeAngelo Hall CB Reggie Williams WR Dunta Robertson CB 2005 Alex Smith QB Ronnie Brown RB Braylon Edwards WR Cedric Benson RB Carnell Williams RB Adam Jones CB Troy Williamson WR Antrel Rolle CB Carlos Rogers CB Mike Williams WR 2006 Mario Williams DE Reggie Bush RB Vince Young QB D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT AJ Hawk LB Vernon Davis TE Michael Huff S Donte Whitner S Ernie Sims LB Matt Leinart QB 2007 JaMarcus Russell QB Calvin Johnson WR Joe Thomas OT Gaines Adams DE Levi Brown OT LaRon Landry S Adrian Peterson RB Jamaal Anderson DE Ted Ginn Jr. WR Amobi Okoye DT 2008 Jake Long OT Chris Long DE Matt Ryan QB Darren McFadden RB Glenn Dorsey DT Vernon Gholston DE Sedrick Ellis DT Derrick Harvey DE Keith Rivers OLB Jerod Mayo ILB There are as many boogers in that list than there are blue chippers. So, the Bills shouldn't draft in the top 5 because they "might' draft a booger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 So, the Bills shouldn't draft in the top 5 because they "might' draft a booger? They shouldn't draft in the top 5 'cause it means they weren't that good the year before. Unless they're smart enough to acquire picks from other teams that weren't good the year before, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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