jax bill backer Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Who is better THE DOM OR MARTY... SORRY THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR BILLS FORUM I will leave you with Dom has 6 Vezina's and Marty has four. Imply all you want Bills fan 89 but Dom had a better all around game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dominik Hasek revolutionized the game with his style...he also has WAY MORE credentials than just the Vezina's. It is laughable to even think somebody compares Brodeur to the Dominator. (He "shut door!") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominik_Ha%C5%A1ek He may be the BEST Goalie of ALL-TIME. AWARDS: Hart Memorial Trophy 1997, 1998 Lester B. Pearson Award 1997, 1998 Vezina Trophy 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001 William M. Jennings Trophy 1994, 2001, 2008 NHL First All-Star Team 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001 NHL All-Rookie Team 1991–92 All-Star Game 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 (did not play due to injury), 2002 RECORDS: In nine seasons with the Buffalo Sabres, Hašek acquired over 25 franchise records, including most all-time games played, wins, shutouts and lowest goals against average.[21] He also holds the Sabres' record for most shutouts in a single season with 13 in 1997–98, and lowest goals against average in a single season with a total of 1.87 in 1998–99. During the Detroit Red Wings' championship run in 2002, Hašek set franchise records for most games played, minutes played, wins and shutouts in a playoff year. He holds several notable NHL records: Regular Season - Before retirement 3rd place — Most shutouts of all active players 4th place — Most wins of all active players All-time 1st place — Highest career save percent (.922) 1st place — Most games played by a European born goaltender (694) 6th place — Most shutouts (81) 8th place — Lowest goals against average (2.20) 10th place — Most wins (389) First European goalie to lead the NHL in GAA (1993–94) First goalie since 1974 to have a GAA below 2.00 (1993–94) Most shutouts in one month (six in 97–98) Playoffs - Before retirement 3rd place — Most shutouts of all active players (15) 4th place — Most wins of all active players (61) All-time 2nd place — Most shutouts in one season (6) 3rd place — Most shutouts (15) 10th place — Most wins (61) MILESTONES: Hašek earned his 300th National Hockey League win on October 15, 2005, in a 5–1 home victory with the Ottawa Senators over the Boston Bruins. He stopped 34 of 35 shots and was holding a shutout until Bruins forward Pat Leahy jammed a loose puck under him three minutes into the third period. He became the twenty-second goaltender to reach the milestone. He is the oldest goaltender in NHL history to post a 30-win season, and in 1997, he became the first goaltender to win the Lester B. Pearson Award for most outstanding player in the league. He is also the only goaltender to win the Hart Trophy twice for most valuable player, and was only one Vezina Trophy away from tying Jacques Plante's record of seven. Hašek's personal best shutout streak is 181 minutes, 17 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax bill backer Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 you put Gomez, Gionta, Nedier-wiener, Rafalski, with a trap game on Hasek's team he would have been truley unstopable. Some of those teams Hasek was on, were some of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hasek... obviously some bias on this board...but the Devils, who almost destroyed the NHL with their life sucking style of play, rarely left their goaltender exposed the way Hasek was the Sabres. No scientific proof, but I would drunkenly argument style say, Hasek on his own, stole about 10 victories a year for the Sabres. Broudouer is a fine goalie, but, IMO, wouldn't have near the record he has, playing on teams like Hasek played during his days in Buffalo. I will give Marty the edge in consistency. For every 5 stellar games that Hasek had, he would absolutely crap the bed on the sixth... Marty has just always been solid, if not spectacular. I think a Roy vs Hasek argument has more merit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 . . . and I thought this was going to be Dom Capers vs. Marty Schottenheimer. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I know Hasek was a ex Sabre but I think he was a ingrate dickhead. Never liked him. Would never give him any props of any kind. Brodeur every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 . . . and I thought this was going to be Dom Capers vs. Marty Schottenheimer. Seriously. why would you think that? it's not like there's a place for hockey talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I always thought Marty Biron was better than Dominic Hasek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hasek was unbelievable. Tremendous flexibility and anticipation. I never understood the circumstances of him leaving the blackhawks and winding up in buffalo. In any event, with regard to pure dominance, he's probably the best professional athlete Buffalo has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 It's too bad the Sabres cheap, embezzling owner didn't spend some money and get at least 2 to 3 quality players. With having the world's best goaltender, we should have won multiple Stanley Cups with him. Instead, Sabres ownership & management expected Hasek to carry a team of sub-par, mediocre players to the Stanley Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I know Hasek was a ex Sabre but I think he was a ingrate dickhead. Never liked him. Would never give him any props of any kind. Brodeur every time. You'd be an ingrate too if your kid popped out looking exactly like your coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Ok the Chief argument for Dom over Marty is that Dom never played on a great team but yet he was a great goalie despite that. Now Marty was just a great guy on a great team. Now before the 2004-2005 lockout that would have been correct and I would have agreed with that argument. HOWEVER I have watched the Devils and Marty almost every game post lock out (2005-2006 to present) and he has played great even in front of a mediocre team. The post lock out era has been geared for offense they even made a rule to hurt Marty's game the trapazoid in addition they are strictly enforcing clutching and grabbing rules and have made the offensive zones bigger. The Devils in 2005-2006 lost Hall of Fame D-men in Scott Stevens and Scott Niedermayer and Marty was still great even without the talent and a more offensive game. Oh yeah he won a Vezna that year. Now it gets better for Marty the next year (2006-2007) he lost all-star defensemen Brian Rafalski and top offensive guys like Brian Gionta, Patrick Elias, and Jamie Langenbruner were all having down years (And Zack Parise wasn't the guy he is now). Despite less offense and a defense core that featured guys like Mike Mottau and young guys still learning in Johnny Odyua and Andy Greene. So despite all that Marty won another Vezna. To this day Marty at age 37 is the best goalie in the league. Marty will continue to add to his own records and might even eclipse the 700 win mark (Which is more impressive considering he lost 1 and a third year to work stoppages). Odds are Marty will add 1-3 more Vezna trophies to his resume when all is said and done. He has 3 titles and could get another one by the end of his career. The guy has proven he isn't the product of a system or the beneficiary of a defensive era. In the end he will go down as the greatest ever without a doubt. The dominator is the second greatest ever (Much greater then Roy) but what Marty has done in the last 3 plus years has proven he could be great without HOF talent around him or in the trap era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KD in CA Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 It's too bad the Sabres cheap, embezzling owner didn't spend some money and get at least 2 to 3 quality players. With having the world's best goaltender, we should have won multiple Stanley Cups with him. Instead, Sabres ownership & management expected Hasek to carry a team of sub-par, mediocre players to the Stanley Cup. And he came damn close.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 that goal he let in to lose the pens series the next year was a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hasek was unbelievable. Tremendous flexibility and anticipation. I never understood the circumstances of him leaving the blackhawks and winding up in buffalo. In any event, with regard to pure dominance, he's probably the best professional athlete Buffalo has ever had. 1.HASEK/OJ 2.BRUCE 3.GIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Ok the Chief argument for Dom over Marty is that Dom never played on a great team but yet he was a great goalie despite that. Now Marty was just a great guy on a great team. Now before the 2004-2005 lockout that would have been correct and I would have agreed with that argument. HOWEVER I have watched the Devils and Marty almost every game post lock out (2005-2006 to present) and he has played great even in front of a mediocre team. The post lock out era has been geared for offense they even made a rule to hurt Marty's game the trapazoid in addition they are strictly enforcing clutching and grabbing rules and have made the offensive zones bigger. The Devils in 2005-2006 lost Hall of Fame D-men in Scott Stevens and Scott Niedermayer and Marty was still great even without the talent and a more offensive game. Oh yeah he won a Vezna that year. Now it gets better for Marty the next year (2006-2007) he lost all-star defensemen Brian Rafalski and top offensive guys like Brian Gionta, Patrick Elias, and Jamie Langenbruner were all having down years (And Zack Parise wasn't the guy he is now). Despite less offense and a defense core that featured guys like Mike Mottau and young guys still learning in Johnny Odyua and Andy Greene. So despite all that Marty won another Vezna. To this day Marty at age 37 is the best goalie in the league. Marty will continue to add to his own records and might even eclipse the 700 win mark (Which is more impressive considering he lost 1 and a third year to work stoppages). Odds are Marty will add 1-3 more Vezna trophies to his resume when all is said and done. He has 3 titles and could get another one by the end of his career. The guy has proven he isn't the product of a system or the beneficiary of a defensive era. In the end he will go down as the greatest ever without a doubt. The dominator is the second greatest ever (Much greater then Roy) but what Marty has done in the last 3 plus years has proven he could be great without HOF talent around him or in the trap era. thats all nice--but DOM is the better goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsZubaz Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Marty is a GREAT goalie. However, anyone that would argue he is better than Hasek just plain doesn't know hockey. -for all of the awards, stats and accomplishments given in the above posts- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 thats all nice--but DOM is the better goalie. I thought this was about AiO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I thought this was about AiO? Associazione Italiana Odontoiatri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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