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I don't know that this is evidence of a change in mindset, McDermott has always been willing to start a rookie... if they've penciled in to do so from the start. See: Tre White, Edmunds, Ed Oliver, etc. An anomaly might be Christian Benford, who wasn't drafted to start but did so after beating out a rookie who was: Kaiir Elam. What McDermott has traditionally resisted is moving a rookie up into a primary playing position after the season starts, unless forced into action by injury. For example not giving Shorter a chance this year, despite the struggles of receivers in front of him on the depth chart who were ineffective all year. And I'm not saying whether that's the right or wrong mindset for a coach to have late in the season, just making the observation that I think he's been consistent with that approach from day one.

Poyer and Hyde were not superstars when they joined the team in 2017, as I'm sure you know. Hyde was learning a new position. Poyer underperformed in Cleveland. Babich was Assistant Defensive Backs coach in 2017 and moved to Safeties coach in 2018. You really don't want to attribute any success to him? Tremaine Edmunds underperformed for most of his time in Buffalo. Matt Milano was great, but not known as the best OLB in the league prior to 2022. Babich moved to Linebackers coach in 2022. The result was an All-Pro season for Milano and by FAR Edmunds best year as a Bill. Is that not enough for you? How about Terrel Bernard blossoming into a stud MLB under Babich? Or Tyrel Dodson turning into a legit starter after Milano went down, after doing nothing the 3 previous years with the Bills? Klein coming in off the street and having a great game vs the Steelers when the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd OLB went down? Is that all luck as well? Babich might not turn out to be a great defensive coordinator, but success has legitimately followed him at every position he's coached with the Bills.

@khlax3 & @BillsFanForever19 the team currently has 9 draft picks, but will have 10 when the draft comes around because we will be awarded with a 3rd round draft pick after losing Edmunds. NFL teams can't extend players on rookie contracts until the last day of their 3rd season. We can't extend Shakir, Benford or Bernard until after NEXT season. Also, cutting Bass would bring a very large dead CAP hit after this year. I believe we will likely extend Brown this offseason, but that's just going to add to our CAP.

Tremaine Edmunds sucks. Milano was a 5th round pick. Bernard was a 3rd.

If we let this kid walk and McD runs it back as "DC" next year, I'll be finding a better use for my time on Sundays. Inherited Milano and Edmunds, but developed Dodson and Bernard into playing well above expectations. Spector and Williams look to be coming along nicely too.

Trying to be objective here. He also had Poyer and Hyde in their prime when they were fully healthy and available. Then inherited Milano and Tremain Edmunds in their prime. So is he one of our best coaches, or luckiest?

Since Beane and McDermott began to control our drafts [2018] we have drafted 45 players. 21 are currently on our roster, 2 on IR, 15 on other teams rosters, and 7 are either street free agents or out of football. Notable Bills draft choices on other teams rosters include: 2018 6 187 Ray Ray McCloud - SF 2018 1 16 Tremaine Edmunds - CHI 2018 5 166 Wyatt Teller - CLE 2018 3 96 Harrison Phillips - MIN 2019 2 38 Cody Ford - CIN 2019 3 74 Devin Singletary - HOU 2020 3 86 Zack Moss - IND 2020 6 207 Isaiah Hodgins - NYG

He played some great games for us. WR is also a position that can be feast or famine from game to game. I think certainly there are upgrades from Gabe Davis, but there are a lot of downgrades also. All that said, they haven't handed him an extension, and it looks like he'll be walking in free agency. I see him as another Tremaine Edmunds - probably not worth his "market value."

Gabe's value on his rookie contract was great for us. Let him go get an Edmunds contract. He was a good teammate and provided some value to this team. He just proved he wasn't "the guy".

He'll do well in FA. Much better than he'd do with the Bills offer. He is this year's Edmunds. Good for him. I hope he goes and gets paid well somewhere else. Moving on.

McD and Beane should be held for their terrible decision making. They brag and rave about the D-Line they assembled, I beg to differ. The Von Miller signing is detrimental on more than just one level. He has had a total negative ROI for this team, both money wise and performance wise. Its been 2 years now going into a 3rd year now for the upcoming 2024 season. This team is now in regression, our current CAP situation leaves no way out because of Von Miller and some other signings that should have never happened. That money tied into Von, Knox and also White is going to prevent this team, from getting better this upcoming year. We have needed a stud LB for years now. Edmunds wasn't it, Milano although really good has had a past issue with injuries and they were not his fault and I am not blaming him just stating the facts. When he goes down there is no one else to back him up. Even Terrel Bernard is not the stud LB that is needed to get by the competition at this level. We got pushed off the ball all over the place on D last night, In all of the divisional losses the last 4 years we have allow a averaged 34 points given to our opponents, and they all have been losses. That is not championship D... This is why once again why this team will not win with this D, and McD and Beane in charge. When you watched KC last night and their running game move Taron Johnson and Williams and Dodson off the ball with their O Guards & Tackles blocking during their running plays in the game yesterday, it is the same thing we did to Dallas last month. This team for the past 4 seasons has failed because of the D, and McD is a Defensive coach. There is no excuse. They have put tons of money on the D side of the ball and it has been a epic failure. Sorry both McD and Beane need to go. Until these two guys realize that Josh Allen can not play defense, we are never going to win a SB with this team.

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Something that's been on my mind for a while now is that while Beane has done a fairly good job of cutting losses and getting something for a guy we don't need/want anymore, he hasn't ever really "sold high" on an upper shelf type of player -- the sole exception being the fire sale we had year 1 / 2017 when McD and Beane decided to dump anyone who wasn't buying into their culture immediately. That's fine. But consider that we might have identified TreMaine Edmunds as someone we weren't going to make the top paid linebacker in the NFL before the '22 season started -- might we have traded him and gotten something back? Instead we spent all off-season monitoring whether we spent ourselves out of a comp pick for the guy. Consider that Gabe Davis never turned it on last year and moving him prior to this past season for a day 2 pick and signing Hopkins in his place would have had a huge effect on this season -- how many interceptions wouldn't have been thrown? How many big plays might D Hop have made for us? AND we could have possibly had a future pick to help restock moving forward. (maybe I'm overvaluing him going into this season, but I think his big games and big play potential could easily have gotten a rd3 out of someone) Unfortunately most of our "top shelf" type of talent right now is buried into their contracts with dead money. Diggs and Miller are unmovable, even if a team wanted them. Honestly coming into this off season we might not even have anyone of intrinsically high value -- those "pro bowl snubs" outside of Allen don't look like they were snubbed very much at this point. Might be we just don't have that level of talent some of us thought we did. But going forward McBeane might benefit from identifying they aren't going to keep a guy and making a move for top value while they can -- it certainly hasn't hurt KC after they did so with Tyreek.

JUST like he caught all the prior deep balls? Did you forget two games where he and Josh “ were not on the same page”? Come on , that’s total denial of a huge issue regarding the lack of talent ,AND PRODUCTION, that plagued this wr crew all season. Shakir and Kincaid were the only consistent , reliable targets for josh this season. Every other receiver , Diggs , Knox, cook , sherfield , etc all had multiple drops and lacked consistent production , and Davis was the poster child for inconsistency going multiple games with 0 receptions. So to expect him to have produced now , when his peak was one game two years ago, is pure fantasy and not based on his current level of production. Could he have been better than sherfield ,,,maybe ,,,but there is no way you can say that with any certainty and i bet the front office will see it the same way when they let him walk. He is another motor, moss, boogie, Edmund’s type of player you can replace as we’ve easily seen , and is overrated compared to other teams receivers such as the packers younger wr corp. This team needs to quit holding on to mediocre talent while wasting a rare franchise QB’s prime years because we all know how rare it is to actually land that important piece in the draft.

He jsut cant play youngs guy. Look how much better terrel Bernard is than Edmunds

I see your points, but I feel like Andy and Mahomes would absolutely toy with dorian Thinking of that gives me Flashbacks of Tremaine Edmunds rookie year against Philip Rivers in the home opener

Chase Edmunds find holes like Tremaine Edmunds.

We beat the Chiefs with Edmunds at MLB so we should be fine with Klein today. Did I do this right?

Well the high profile thing i guess doesn't hold any weight but I know there is some kind of formula for losing players & that is what i meant . Last season we got or supposedly got a comp for Edmunds so that is what i was referencing . I didn't realize he was with the Eagles when Foles was there . Has he been with the Eagles his entire career i don't follow other teams that close that's why i depend on other fans like you to point some of these things out . I'm not as they say a rabid Bills fan . But i'm working on it .

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I was not a Tremaine Edmunds truther whatever one of those is. But that is irrelevant to this conversation. McDermott is not getting fired.

Tremaine Edmunds “Truthers” often spoke in absolutes too. Truth is, we have no idea what Terry thinks or what he would think if the unthinkable happened.

A couple things here. I feel sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bills plan to replace Milano seems to have been to use Dodson on possible run downs (about 65-85% of the snaps) and replace him on obvious passing downs by bringing Poyer into the box as a sort of "dime" back, and backfilling at safety, usually with Rapp. What we don't know, is if even a healthy and two-armed Dodson can play MLB capably for the Bills, let alone with one arm supported by a sling and maybe not able to lift it to tackle. That's been Terrell Bernard, then Klein moved over and played very well for him. In 2020, when the Chiefs beat us at home, Allen's L arm was in a sling and it affected his throwing motion. We were also trying to replace Milano in "next man up" fashion by plugging in AJ Klein. Eventually, Klein played admirably in relief of Milano, but Frazier talked about how Milano-Edmunds-Johnson were interconnected and they had to re-distribute coverage responsibilities with Milano out. It took them a couple of games to work it out. I *think* that McDermott is less conservative and more willing to re-work the defense on a game-by-game basis for injuries than Frazier was, but I do think McDermott sometimes gives injured players too much "benefit of the doubt" in whether they're able to play or not, when they really want to and say they're good. Thus we get Milano allowed to play against the Jets and NWE in 2020 when he was unable to lift his arm to tackle with his torn pec and brace; Cody Ford allowed to play when he couldn't lift his arm to punch against the Titans etc etc. We especially need realistic assessments of capability from the trainers this week, because it's a playoff game and everyone is going to want to be out there. That's hopeful, actually.

Maybe it had to do with no fans in the stands, but it may have had more to do with the fact that Allen was 2 games out from an AC joint sprain suffered in the Raiders game, and was playing in a linebacker brace. In fact, the Bills moved the ball and scored a TD when Allen insisted on taking it off in the 4th Q, but our defense gave up a 12 play, 6 minute drive that used all our time outs and ended in a FG, putting it back to a 2 score game. Which brings me to what I think might be the real concern. We had Tre Edmunds, but we were playing without Matt Milano, starting AJ Klein at OLB in his place, and starting Josh Norman in place of Levi Wallace. It's really critical what happens on the injury front this week.

Somehow, this is probably Edmunds' fault... * 😁