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Edmunds' crime was always being in position to watch the opponent make a play, but never preventing it. If he had turned into the player the Bills hoped he'd be as a first round pick, he'd still be here.

Well, Edmunds is a good counterexample because now we've seen the sorts of big play opportunities that exist for the MLB in this defense if they are up to the task. The INT that Bernard had to end the Chiefs game, Edmunds never did anything like that in his time here. Same with the sack Bernard had on Mahomes while spying him. Those sorts of plays were there to be had when Edmunds was our MLB but they weren't being made. So it isn't just crapping on Edmunds, it's pointing out that Bernard by comparison is a big step up at the position. And I recognize Edmunds did his 1/11 while he was here but Bernard is going above and beyond, so fans are going to comment on it.

What the hell is this Edmunds truthers thing? Couple thoughts. - why do the best fans need to crap on a guy who is no longer here? - Bernard and Edmunds both would think fans are dumb for using them against each other. - true or false, the Bills had a top 5 defense basically every year TE was here. Should a MLB of a consistent top 5 defense get credit? I know we are in one of the dumbest generations in human history. But you can think Edmunds was a solid player (I thought he would have been a better OLB); celebrate TB and how good he has been; and not feel the need to put down a guy who did nothing wrong expect get paid a lot of money. putting down your ex while you claim you have a better partner now is weirdo behavior.

I've followed Derrik for a while, even before he was a writer for The Athletic. He was the first draft analyst I saw who gave high marks to Keon Coleman as a prospect, this convinced me to look into him more and he ultimately grew to be my #1 draft target for the Bills. With Bernard I think it is just stylistic preference. Derrik values LBs that can shed blocks and play through contact. That isn't Bernard's game at all. My response of course would be that McDermott's defense doesn't need him to do that. McDermott puts his LBs in a good position to create plays, and Bernard has done that way better than Edmunds ever did for example. He also QBs the defense which is incredibly important given the complexity of our scheme. As a playmaker and an extension of McDermott's brain, I think Bernard is critical to our defensive success and I expect us to eventually sign him to a long-term deal. I think Derrik's concerns are valid, and luckily that should help us lock him up for what will look like a hometown discount just like we did with Milano. Not every defensive scheme could make use of Bernard's skill set. For our defense however he's a perfect fit IMO.

I went and looked at Beane’s drafts and I need to revise my comment above. They have nearly every year drafted 3 or more starters and these guys have been very good to excellent as starters. 2018- was a surprising exceptional draft. Allen & Taron Johnson are the studs for the Bills. Edmunds has been pro-bowlers for the Bills, but moved on. Wyatt developed into an all-pro OL but sadly elsewhere. Phillips, depth in Buffalo, is now a quality NFL DL starter. Neal and McCloud are good depth players. 2019 - 3 Starters - Oliver, Singletary and Knox. Oliver is the only VG player. Knox is now high quality depth and Ford is a depth lineman 2020 - 2 Starters in Epenesa and Gabe Davis. Moss and Jackson are quality NFL depth plus PK Bass 2021 - 2 Excellent starters in Rousseau and Brown. Hamlin is good depth and now a starter. Maybe our weakest draft under Beane except the 2 stars. 2022 - 4 exceptional starters - Cook, Shakir, Benford and Bernard. Spector is decent depth and Elam may still become something, maybe. 2023 - 3 starters already in Kincaid, Torrence and Williams, but nothing behind them 2024 - 8 players already contributing with Coleman the only starter so far. Bishop and SVPG are likely future starters with Davis and Grable possible as well. Carter and Solomom are already good depth. UDFA Andressen and traded for UDFA Codrington already contributing as well.

tremaine edmunds sucks!

Because his defenders were silly and completely wrong. The most embarrassing part for his defenders was watching Klein come in and start making plays but simultaneously watch ppl try to twist themselves into a pretzel that we weren't really seeing that and Edmunds impact is not always seen etc lol

The most ridiculous part of watching Bernard be awesome and make big play after big play is remembering just how inept and ridiculous the Edmunds truthers were. Aj Klein at the end of his prime was literally better than Edmunds in 20 and 21 and cover 1 would make excuses over and over lol. It was embarrassing. Constant rhetoric about taking up space because of his arm length 😭 Edmunds was drafted with Allen in the first Rd and for the big moments. Ppl constantly bring up McDermott and the 13 seconds game but Edmunds didn't make one single play all game and was completely invisible. Not a tfl, not a sack, not a big hit, not a tipped pass, literally nothing. So glad he's gone The Edmunds truthers were worse than the losmanites

The 3rd and 18 completion by Desean Watson in the playoffs was enough to show that Edmunds was an average Linebacker.

I talked to Cornelius Bennett once about Tremaine Edmunds once and he said if he had arms as long as him he would have twice the number of interceptions.

Every thread about Bills LBs is still secretly a Tremaine Edmunds thread.

agreed… let’s wait until Edmunds is old enough to legally drink before we crap on him, please.

You can’t blame Edmunds for that, he wasn’t even born yet. Someone shoulda taught his mama to diagnose offensive plays better to put her womb in a better position to make the tackle.

I remember wanting the Bills to draft Devin Lloyd in the first round that year as the Edmunds replacement, but they took Kair Elam with that pick....then they took Bernard in the 3rd. It's clear that Bernard is a better player than Lloyd at this point....in Beane I trust!!

TB is a special player, and doesn't get enough recognition. Out of all the players that were out during the playoff game last year, I told my son going in, that he was the one player we needed the most. I forget who, but I believe it was Orlovsky who watched the tape, and said that TB was calling out the plays, and knew exactly what KC was going to do, before they did it. Mentioned that TB got upset with Taron on the TD, because he knew what was going to happen before it happened. This is what makes me feel different about us going forward with a true QB on defense. My intent wasn't to bash Edmunds, but since others are still defending him, I have to say, that Edmunds was the def of average. Elite Physical traits, but below average instincts = average linebacker. Yes.....he took up space, but more is needed out of the QB of your defense, so much more.

Well, I don’t think people were wrong. They were concerned about him because he only managed to start 1 game out of a possible 6 that Milano or Edmunds missed. He wasn’t beating out Klein or Doson when 49 was out. His only start came with Edmunds. He was now going to be taking sole control of MLB responsibilities. Better yet, would we know what we have if Milano wasn’t oft-injured and Edmunds getting that big money offer that we wouldn’t match from Chicago? Probably not. Blessing in disguise not being able to retain 49. TB had the pedigree at Baylor to make you believe he has a place in the league, the forced opportunity just wasn’t there until 2023. Tremaine is a solid LB but 43 makes game changing plays.

Lets make this more real... less than two years of starting and has already made more big plays than Tremaine Edmunds will make in his entire career.

Without looking, I feel I might be the guy who said 6th rounder and possible Edmunds replacement

Dorian Williams is better than Edmunds... Even Spector has real instincts The Edmunds truthers are silly

Some replies from draft night are below (names redacted, but there are some great posters amongst the quotes below. These are only from the first 10 pages of the 36 page thread). Key takeaways: Instant draft night takes are usually bad, most of us have no idea what we're talking about, and sometimes we SHOULD trust the scouts. Oh, and apparently Dylan Parham was a very popular choice for the Bills in 2022. "Midget." "Joe marino is not having it at all. HATES the pick lol" "Bernard I had as a 6th round guy. If this is the future replacement for Edmunds then yikes. Not too happy with this one to be honest." "Meh. Over draft. Yet he might be a ST/backup to Milano." "He’s a backup to Milano? Seems like a weird pick here. " "Ok I'm having a hard time getting pumped for this one" "I had Bernard earmarked for one of those 6th rounders." "6-1 LB? 😂 Is Beanie Boy stoned too?" "Levy/Jauron level draft." "I was happy with the draft until this Beane dropped this turd pick into the punch bowl. Parham should’ve been the pick and went one spot after us." "Parham should have been the pick. This guy could have been had with one of our 6th round picks or maybe even a UDFA. There's no highlight reel for him on youtube, and no one has him listed as a day 1 starter. A real reach in the 3rd round. A true WTF pick." "just an awful pick. could have traded down and got him. Tiny, oft injured, most project him as a pure ST player/backup. With other OL and WR on board this is off. "

tremaine edmunds sucks.

This may be difficult to understand but like some CBs are never thrown at Tremaine Edmunds PREVENTED a number of plays due to his size and amount of space he could cover allowing other players to make plays. Congratulations to Terrel Bernard with well deserved award without a dig on previous players.

less than two years of starting and he's already made more big plays than Tremaine Edmunds has in his career.

Not sure if Shakir is the BEST slot WR in the NFL (Detroit has a dude who's effectively their WR1 from the slot, mostly), and DEF don't think Cook is a priority re-sign, despite how dang special he is at beating angles and stealing yards. Only Milano and Bernard have been truly special in this system. Much higher drafted dudes have failed to approach their impact (when healthy, of course). Edmunds, for example. I agree that Babich and Co. are elite developmental coaches, but Bernard is kinda special. Wouldn't fit as well into a 3-4/odd-man front scheme, but he's a playmaker and a leader already. His skills are transferrable. LOVE this compelling counterargument to the general consensus of Re-Sign At All Costs. Feels like McBeane will be less patient and cold than what you've proposed, as these players are pivotal, drafted and developed examples of everything McD values, but it's a smart call to more sober, calculated cap management.

Dorian is not a good blitzer...he easily gets caught up in the wash just like Edmunds. Milano always seems to select the right seam.