Big Turk

Yes...you trade a first ballot future HOF'er for "hope" you draft someone better. Have you taken any psychedelic drugs lately? I agree with all of it. Allen needs to stop feeling like he has to make something happen on every play because his players aren't getting open enough or the coaching staff isn't giving him enough easy answers. He also needs to get better at taking the easy answers when they are there.

27 of Mahomes TDs this year traveled under 10 yards in the air...wonder how many Allen had. Not more than 10 I bet. I can only recall a few.

It is, by far, the worst weather city in the NFL as ranked by the weather channel. Green Bay was second...a distant 2nd. It's an article on Fan Duel itself.

SB obviously, stop acting like its one or the other. Allen being MVP obviously would help our chances since he wouldn't be turning the ball over as much, which has been the knock on why he hasn't won it(although to be fair in 99.5% of seasons, Allen's 2020 season would have won MVP....if not for one of the best season of all time for Rodgers.)

They actually did when it mattered in the 2nd half. That's what helped give them the lead, a key stop on 3rd down, a bad punt and a return to the 5 yard line.

Bills are 2nd to the Chiefs(+600) at +850. Vegas doesn't appear too down on them unlike 75% of the posters here.

As Mahomes showed, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Allen is +170, Mahomes and Burrow +700 are closest. Vegas obviously isn't buying what so many on these Bills Boards are trying to sell them. Bills Boards: Allen is a liability! His turnovers are costing us games! He isn't good enough! Wah! Wah! Wah! Vegas: NFL favorite for MVP next year in a landslide by almost 3.5 times the next player. Step back from the ledge and have some perspective.

He is just mad looking at the 2023 Futures NFL MVP Odds where Allen has a massive lead on Mahomes and everyone else. Bills boards: Allen is a massive problem!! He isn't good enough! He turns the ball over way way too much! He is a liability! Wah! Wah! Wah! Vegas: NFL MVP Favorite by a landslide.

Favre was a 3 time NFL MVP in 3 straight years between 1995-1997, are you claiming the voting was rigged or something. C'mon man, let's stop pretending he wasn't among the best of his time. This sounds really revisionist.

That Beane drafted very well in his first 3 years and not so well in the last 3. Not sure how you could argue that overall. He was a first ballot hall of famer and 3 time MVP are you saying that's not good enough and you wouldn't be happy if Josh had his career? Clearly people thought he was the best player in a season 3 times. Your argument sounds a little revisionist.

Defense needs to be focused on generating turnovers, that's how these teams with average defenses become "good enough" to win. Bills are very good at this already.

I didn't know that's the only thing that counted in drafts. Idiotic take if that's your full argument. And yet they still won 13 games and were 2nd in the NFL in point differential. Allen is going to be like Favre in some ways, he is going to make some boneheaded plays, but he is going to make far more good ones than bad ones.

Over the last 6 years? Sure, I'd take that bet. Over the past 1 or 2? Eagles have done better. Please stop pretending that teams consistently have top 5 drafts every year because we see time and again teams have a few good years in a row and then a few bad years with drafts. Someone already broke down the drafts for teams over the last 6 years, Bills were the top drafting team by a wide margin in the first 3 years of that.

Yeah but that wasn't in the redzone.

Sounds similar to people trying to run Rosen out of Philly in 2020...all his picks sucked, he had no idea what he was doing, etc etc etc...pretty much the same nonsense we hear about Beane now. A year and a half can change a lot. Do they? Mahomes and Burrow had 2 less than Allen who was "terrible". Sounds like a made up narrative by people who don't watch many of their games.

Did not realize KC was second in the NFL in sacks.

It's not some major gap between him and the other QBs as some would want us to believe...did you watch Mahomes in the first Denver game? He singlehandedly let them back into the game down 27-0 with 3 terrible INTs. Mahomes has led the NFL in dropped interceptions over the past 3 years as well. Burrow against the Steelers with 4 INTs? Let's stop pretending these other QBs play mistake free football.

Let's stop playing hypothetical "what if" football. You can't make assumptions on what "would have happened" from that point since the entire game would have been played differently. Those type of plays don't exist in some vacuum, they exist in the totality of the game.

Their defense didn't force that, Hurts simply dropped the ball untouched. Let's not pretend they did something other than being in the right position to pick up an easy fumble with nobody but 3 Chief players around it. Funnily enough Mahomes had a very similar play against the Bengals.

He threw us one...Elam picked him off in our game in the endzone.

The first of the 3 SB's where he played well. Prior to this he had a 61 QB Rating in the SB's along with 2 TDs and 4 INTs and a completion percentage around 58%. In the first 2, he played 1 good quarter out of 8.

As we have seen time and again, defense doesn't really matter in the playoffs against elite teams. They are gonna score their points. Bills had the #6, #1, and #2 defenses in the NFL and got smoked all three times in the playoffs against elite offenses. Eagles had the 3rd most sacks in NFL history next to 84 and 85 Bears and got 0 last night. 2nd best D in the NFL, allowed 38 points(31 if you don't count the Defensive TD by KC). KC moved the ball and scored at will on every possession in the 2nd half. Defense only has to be around league average to be good enough. Bills need to allocate 90% of resources to offensive line and offensive weapons. The rules are simply tilted too far in the offenses favor for it to matter with defense, unless your DLine can maul the other team's OLine and usually that isn't going to happen unless multiple starters are out.

Funny Bills are 2nd in Super Bowl odds in 2024 to KC. If you listened to people here they would be like 25th.