Maddog69

is the argument that he was coached to flinch just enough to draw the opponent offside but not enough to get a penalty? If this is true, this is either evil genius level strategy (with poor execution) or just plain ridiculous. If I owned the team, this type of crap would be ground for firing. Just line up and snap the ball. Push forward for 6 inches and get the first down. trying to draw them of is pathetic.

I would think they need to get to 10 wins and then hope to get luck with tie breakers. Assuming we lose to Denver and NE, our conference record is not great. We would be 4-6 in the AFC assuming we beat Miami and NYJ coming up and lose to NE and Denver. We would hold head to head tie breaker over Cleveland and Miami. But honestly, I don't expect to ever have to worry about it. I don't think we can get to 10 wins.

I know. That's why it is interesting to consider. I don't know that much about college QBs to speak accurately. But think about the year EJ came out. There weren't QBs that year rated to be worth the #2 overall pick. Luck, Newton and RGIII are the type I am talking about. So, assume Marcus Mariotta is the #1 QB in the draft and is a consensus pick at QB and deserving of consideration for the #1 overall pick. The raiders have Carr and don't find a trade partner. They draft a Punter (kidding, sort of). So Jax sits at #2. Would you trade Sammy for a shot at that highly ranked QB?

The call that makes me most angry is the lining up on 4th and inches and trying to draw them offsides. I absolutely despise this gutless play.

this is an interesting Hypothetical. assume Oakland gets the #1 pick and doesn't take a QB. JAX sitting at #2 and the top QB is on the board. Whomever it is has a very high ranking and is thought of as a potential Franchise QB. Would you trade Sammy for that pick? I'd have to give it a lot of consideration.

Simply not true. In every stat I can find, he is marginally better. QBR, completion percentage, redzone efficiency. Etc. KO is a few percentage points above EJ. That's 2-3 plays a game. Let's not pretend Orton is Johnny Unitas. He isn't. But you Orton nuthuggers won't admit it. Orton is not "the long term answer" at QB. Orton is mediocre. And Orton blew it badly on Sunday. He is the reason the Bills did not win the game. He's 3-2 as the starter (and would be 2-3 if Detroit would have had a decent kicker). My frustration is how so many people on this board cruicify EJ for exactly this type of game but find every possible excuse for the 10yr veteran.

I honestly could not understood more than 3 words in his entire interview.

OK. So lets say we run 3 times and get stuffed for no yards. Is it OK to call a pass and expect Kyle to make a throw? Give me a break. He's starting the game because Marrone wanted "production at the position". A QB will be called upon to make a play. HE FAILED. Why can't the Orton lovers admit it? EJ failed miserably in the SD and Texans games and got benched. Orton has failed repeatedly but the excuses abound. I just don't like the double standard. Kyle is a starting QB in the NFL, he should be expected to and be able to complete a simple pass to a WIDE OPEN receiver with the game on the line. Especially when given multiple chances.(6 attempts, 3 of which were very wide open). This loss is on Kyle Orton as much as the Houston loss is on EJ. The game was there to be won. He just needs to make one throw. Nothing heroic. No hail mary. One simple pass. If that's too much to ask, he should not have been playing.

Its past the trade deadline so nobody can be traded. But I don't think there are any rules prohibiting trading rookies. So, technically he could have been traded before the deadline and can be traded after the season. Not that I'm advocating that, simply answering your question.

The superfans are all over this thread and TBD. Its all the coaches fault for bad playcalling. They completely ignore the fact that every Little Loop QB over the age of 12 should be able to make a throw to a wide open receiver when given multiple opportunities to do so and no pressure.

Payton without Brees in his prime. No thanks.

In the red zone against a team that has not allowed a rushing TD, the chance of success in running would not be higher.

You shouldn't be asking a QB to complete a simple pass? Come on. Newton is injured and was getting killed back there. Not the same at all. Orton had all day to complete a simple pass and failed miserably.

If it is too much to ask from your 10 year veteran QB to complete 1 out of six passes, then he should not be your QB. Plain and simple. It did not take a "clutch" play or anything dramatic. Just a simple, semi-accurate pass to the back corner of the end zone to a WIDE OPEN receiver.

What I find funny is that all of the people blaming Hackett and making excuses for Orton are the same ones who were exclusively blaming EJ just a few weeks ago after the Houston game for missing wide open receivers. Orton does the same thing and now its playcalling. Comical.

We still have our First round pick in the up coming draft to get excited about. Oh wait...

Hire Bill Cowher as HC and let him hire assistants. If he does one thing well, it is hiring Coordinators. Assistant coaches under Bill Cowher that became Head Coaches in the NFL: Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers, Houston Texans Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys, Buffalo Bills Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints, St. Louis Rams Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills, Jacksonville Jaguars Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals, Tennessee Titans Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals Bruce Arians: Arizona Cardinals

You can talk about bad play calling all you want. The bottom line is the play calling was good enough to win the game if Orton makes a good pass in the red zone. He failed to do that numerous time. On the final drive he had receivers open repeatedly and flat out missed them. That's not a bad play call. That's a bad QB.

You're missing the point. Even with the play calling as it was, if Orton makes a simple pass completion, we win the game. The coaches didn't tell Brown and McKelvin to fumble and they didn't tell Orton to miss wide open receivers for TD's. I've been a frequent complainer about playcalling, but in this case, it's not valid. The game was there to be won with one decent pass from a competent QB.

I don't have a good feeling about this one. But I refuse to pick against the Bills.

Age and experience helps but I think it also helps immensely having a good Offensive line, playmakers and most importantly a coach who knows what the hell he is doing.

Why are people blind to the real Orton. He's not that good. You bash the coach, but if Orton doesn't repeatedly throw crappy passes in the redzone, we win. Orton had atleast 4 chances at open receivers and missed them all badly. Orton is the reason we did not win yesterday. He had the game in his hands. With everything else that happened, it still came down to missed chances by the great Orton. He blew it.

All valid penalties, IMO.

sorry Kirby. I linked the wrong OP in my reply. You are absolved.

I'd like to see EJ playing but at this point I don't believe it matters. I don't have any faith in this coaching staff to run a competent offense and to develop a QB (or any other player on the offense). Marrone seems childish to me. He seems to get mad at a player for whatever reason (Urbik, Williams) and bench them. Even Bryce Brown, why leave him inactive all year. I think EJ would probably just get more bad coaching and more hate from the group of bashers here on TBD. With that said, I do think he will go back in after a few more losses. They probably fake an injury to Orton. He'll get a hamstring injury in practice or something.