reddogblitz

Maybe. Like I said, he's tainted. I can't take anything he does and think he's done it all on the up and up without advantages other QBs don't have, like deflated footballs and such. Maybe you think he's on the up and up, but I and any accomplishment he gets has an asterisk next to it. But that's just me. Can you think of any other QBs that can get it done with meager WRs? Not Big Ben. Not Mat Ryan. Not Drew Brees. Not Cam Newton. Not Andy Dalton. Not Jim Kelly. Not Kurt Warner. Not Roger Staubach. Not Eli Manning. Not Peyton Manning. Not Terry Bradshaw. Maybe Russell Wilson but I think his WRs are pretty darn good even if they're not big name guys. I'd say the same for Tommy's WRs. They're not big name guys, but they sure look sure handed and effective when I watch them. And why doesn't Gronk count. He lines up our wide like WR and they use him like one. I remember one Super Bowl where his guys dropped some key balls and they lost and as Giselle pointed out, he can't throw them and catch them too.

Thanks for your thoughful response backed up by stats. Good job. I agree with a lot of what you said. But the game isn't played on the stat sheet. Some QBs are better at coming through in the clutch than others. Those guys (like Flutie or Roger Stuabach) win more games because of it. May not show up on stat sheets 20 years later, but it's a real thing. Do think it's a real thing? Other guys like Tony Romo can pass for a gazillian yards, but when it gets to the big playoff game, they blow it and lose. Some QBs because of their skills, personality, and leadership can lift the play of the whole team. I was at a Bills game in 2000 or 2001 and Rob Johnson started the game and offense was pathetic. Rob got hurt and Flutie came in boom, we started moving the football and scoring points. The lady in front of me says "they play different when he's in". True. You could see it as clear as the nose on your face. Roger Staubach was the same way. The Cowboys were next years champions for years because they couldn't get over the hump to win it all on multiple tries. Then they promoted Roger and went to 4 more Super Bowls and won 2. Craig Morton and Don Meredith were fine QBs but they couldn't get the team there like Roger could. This is what I'm talking about. I can't prove it by stats, but I think it's real. Sure looks real when I see it on the field. Do you think it's real? In my post I said it is and it isn't. I don't think saying let's say Blake Bortles was a better QB in 2017 than Kirk Cousins because he won more games. But some guys can get the team to wins because the whole team believes they can. That's what I meant when I said "it is and it isn't". Go BILLS !!

People leaving the Patsies** and never doing anything after is very common occurrence. With all the shenanigans they got going on up there with deflated footballs and spy cameras and alleged locker room tampering and Flutie's radio helmet still working after 15 seconds on the play clock and whatever Ernie Adams does, I don't know. Matt Cassel looked like Tom Brady leading the Patises** to a 10-5 record, but he was pedestrian elsewhere. Why is that? coaches leave there frequently and quickly flame out. O'Brien, Mangini, McDaniels, Charlie Weiss You can use them as an example of having a good QB that doesn't need good WRs I guess, but there's a lot more going on there that also helps imho.

It's the Russ Brandon approach.

All the other owners don't have BIG BUCKS too?

Gotcha Only if we had beaten Jacksonville

Didn't you say if we made the playoffs you would support Hotrod going into next year? Or was that someone else with a Brian Moorman avatar? I have ZERO idea what Fitz would do. I suspect he may have thrown 2 picks in the 4th quarter like he did against us with the playoffs on the line. It's what he does. Do y'all have short memories or something?

How far is far? They've already made It to the Divisional round. As a Bills fan I'm not going to turn my nose JP at that. Well see what happens Sunday.

If punching one of your fellow coaches is part of the process, then I'm in. Seriously, I wouldn't touch this guy with a 99 3/4 inch pole. His units have stunk in Seattle for Years and years.

Do y'all ever watch other games? I see this in EVERY game I watch. ALL QBs miss open WRs at times. Hotrod does It more than perhs, true, but they ALL do it. I heard Tony Romo castigate Tommy for missing an open WR a few weeks back. I think it was the Pitt game

Perhaps. I'm not saying it was the right call, but the execution stunk causing it's demise is all I was saying. Dude sets pick like he supposed to and Seattle now owns 2 Lombardis instead of only 1.Or if Russell doesn't telegraph the play, same thing. I wouldn't worry about this call though if I were Coach McDermott. The guy has done a ton of great stuff for Seattle and Vikings before that. He knows how to adapt his Offense to personnel he has. Seattle is what they are because he encourages Russell to be Russell. If we had Russell on our team this year and tried to pigeon hole him as a pocket passer, I suspect the results would be not so good. Who do you like for OC?

Luck is part of the game. One of the NFL's most storied franchises get all kinds of love and adulation and praise for a very squirely play. The Immaculate Reception McCoy was below his standards as well. 5.4 ypc in 2016 and 4.0 in 2017. A lot of offensive guys regressed this year for some reason.

The problem here was not the call, but the execution. I saw an interview of Buttler where he said he knew it was gong to be a pass because when the Hawks came out of the huddle Russell looked at and signaled something to one of the WRs over there. If it was a run, why would he do that? Also go look at what the WR that was supposed to set a pick on that play did. He missed letting Buttler get there. Also, the Beast was something like 1 for 8 on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 that year. Even Schopp knows this. I heard him say it the other day.

I don't have to decide until March 10th. A lot can happen between now and then. I suspect the OC thing will be straightened out by then. At this very moment, probably. If we dump Hotrod that costs us 8 mil vs cap. See if you can take that other 8 mil and find someone better. Remember, Glennon got 15 mil last year.

If WRs don't matter, only the QB does, why would Bill Bellyache trade a #1 pick for a WR (Brandon Cooks) when he has Tommy? Or, why would the Atlanta Falcons trade uP to take Julio Jones when they have Matt Ryan? This notion is one of the more ridiculous things I read here frequently IMHO. Was it just a fluke that Hotrod's stats are significantly better with Watkins and Woods than with all The other schmucks we trot out there?

Maybe, maybe not. We'll just have to wait and see. As of now, he's still on the team. that's all we know for sure now. The TBD concensus one year ago today WAS thaT he'd be gone LAST YEAR. how did that work out? I can't predict what Coach McDermott does. He does a lot of things yall don't like like punting. It is my opinion that We would do really well with Hotrod And Darell. Go BILLS !!

OC - Darell Bevell QB - Hotrod Rookie, whoever that is, rides the pine in 2018 like Mahomes this year. As far as draft class goes, I don't like Rosen ( injury riddled headcase) or Allen (we already have 3 inaccurate passers on staff). I suspect if Rico stays it's Falk (dink 'n dunk pocket passer) in the 2nd.

Will it help his accuracy? Bevell'd be GREAT to work with Hotrod. He tailors his offense to HIs players strength as opposed to shoe horning his QB into a pocket passer if that's not his thing. I really hope we hire this guy.

LOL. Good one.

Yes and no. He's had Deon Branch, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Amendola, Brandon Cooks (1st round trade for), Gronkowski (although technically a TE, he lines up as a WR a lot), Hernandez, Ben Coates, Julian Edelman, and Ben Watson. It's not like he's throwing to Brad Smith and Zay Jones up there. And Bill Bellyache is on record saying if you can't catch the football you're out. How long did Donald Jones last up there? And yes, Kelvin is a legit #1 WR. But after that ...

It is and it isn't. Proof would be our very own Bills. From 1998 - 2001 in games Flutie started the team was 21-9 and in games Rob Johnson started we were 9-17. Same coach. Same offensive line. Same defense. Same WRs. Same RBs. Only difference was the QB and the won loss record was pretty much exactly the opposite.

I got the info by both watching the games and something I read on TBD. It was pretty obvious that when we got ahead we went into sit on the football mode. And someone else, maybe Yolo or 26 ,posted some stats about first half vs second half. it wasn't like Hotrod was 12 for 15 in the first half and 2 for 10 in the second. It was more like 10 for 15 in the first half and 6 for 7 in the second. Less passing. I'll try to find it. I'm not sure if that's just because of his QB, or his coaching philosophy. A lot of coaches like to sit on the lead. I grew up in Dallas as a Cowboy fan from 1960 to 1988. Tom Landry sat on leads sometimes. Drove us nuts. But we won most of the time like Coach McDermott has this year. We'll see what he does next year he has more of "his guys". I don't have any links, but I'd love to see yours if they still have them so that I don’t make an incorrect claim. Here's one example that I was thinking of: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/200274-tyrod-taylor-playoff-qb/?do=findComment&comment=4798997 20 passes in the first half and only 7 in the second half with a lead.

Hopefully we don't replace Hotrod with "another middling bridge vet". What possibly could be the point of that? We won 9 with him in his first year with a suck egg QB (or so I hear). Why couldn't he do at least that well with a QB of comparable talent level with a better supporting cast?

Would give Josh time to work on his accuracy. Why do we want to trade up all those picks for a guy with accuracy issues? We got 3 guys with accuracy issues already

Maybe it was McCoys 1.4 ypc drop from 2016 (5.4) to 2017 (4.0)?