Dr. Who

I think folks roundly criticized Washington for paying that price. Dan Snyder is not the model to follow. If that is what Cleveland is expecting, they will likely end up taking Allen at 1. If he doesn't care, no deal gets done. Simple as that.

I love it when the expert comes in and says the item is worth X and the seller then asks for twice X.

Again, it's a negotiation. You can ask whatever you want. The other fella doesn't have to pay it. If you ask for 175% premium, perhaps everyone tells you to go fish. Then he misses out on a smaller premium that might have been achievable.

No doubt. Darnold is the apple of their eye, apparently, and I don't blame them. But I think there are four solid qbs at the top of the draft. Everyone has a price point. Bills will offer what is feasible to them and Browns will accept or reject. I don't think the 2019 1st is self-evidently necessary to get to 1. If it is, I have no idea if Bills are willing to pay the price. I would be reticent, but I'm not the GM.

They won't get shut out, they just won't get Darnold. Unlikely Giants take a qb. If Browns, Jets, and Broncos (unlikely, but possible) go for qb, one of the top four is available 6 - 10. Bills will invest less and get a qb.

I hope Dorsey is more reasonable than Cle23 who is not stupid, but overplaying his hand, imo.

Yes, that makes sense. I think this most likely implies that we want Darnold and are hoping Cleveland takes Allen.

If this trade is legit, any speculation as to when is it most likely to happen?

This is my concern with Rosen and why he is actually fourth among the top four for me. Darnold is the fella I like the best, but I have presumed he was out of reach. Regardless, I would still be happy to get Rosen or any of the potential franchise qbs. I just don't want to get frozen out and settling for Rudolph, White, or Lauletta.

Accentuates the importance of trying to get the qb with a small trade up into the 7 to 10 range. Qb has to be the priority, but o-line is next. I think there are decent lbs to be found on day 3.

Maybe that Thurm fella is Beane. Maybe the negative crusade on these boards is an attempt to get Rosen to fall to us

If Jeffismagic was banned or suspended for bringing Mahomes up in many threads last year (and at least they were promoting the fella,) this constant bashing of Rosen ought to qualify for some kind of response. It's really unseemly.

If we end up with Rosen and Roquan, I'm going out and buying a lottery ticket.

DJ Chark on a rookie contract is the kind of receiver we need.

Darnold is creative when the pocket breaks down and is durable. The concerns about personality with Rosen are overblown, but I don't think Darnold has any of those question marks. Rosen has injury concerns and poor pocket awareness. You can easily make a case in the other direction, but it's not patently ridiculous to favor Darnold.

Coincidentally, I would still want single malt scotch and bocce pizza.

Single malt scotch, bocce pizza, and alone time with my security blanket.

5 ways are just a little too kinky, imo.

Seriously, don't even say it. It's like the announcer jinx when a fella has made thirty free throws in a row or something.

I like him. Should be a lot of fun here if we trade up to get him

Best case scenario, provided we beef up the oline and are confident about the durability issues.

Well stated. Btw, though I like the current avatar, I miss Spock.

Yes, I agree with much of this, but one has to hope the current regime can develop a qb or there is little room for optimism.

Wrong.

Darby did not fit the system. I don't think he was a locker room problem. Watkins may have been a problem, but I think they surmised they would not be willing to pay the requisite price to resign him to a new contract and the 2nd round pick was valuable as draft capital to trade up for the potential franchise qb you don't want to trade up for. Regardless, none of that bears on whether or not they have determined Rosen to be a fit or not.