Dr. Who

I also prefer the Pats* original logo. That dude never won anything.

I do think the focus at this point should be securing 6. I presume we have some kind of provisional understanding with the Giants regarding 2.

Let's presuppose Beane was surprised at the early trade by the Jets to move to 3. He's definitely not going to get sucker-punched again. I'm sure the Colts know it is in their best interest to bring any alternative trade to the Bills before pulling the trigger.

Yes. I agreed with Yolo that if Bills want Rosen, they can probably get him at 6. I want them to trade up to 2, because I prefer Darnold, though I would be okay with Rosen at 6.

I agree. I hope they want Darnold.

We probably need to get to 6 in order to get to 2. If Bills are convinced Browns will take Allen, call their bluff and stay at 2.

Well, I'd be fine with Allen at 6. I personally think Darnold and Allen are likely the first 2 qbs off the board.

Nah, he's another fella. That's how forgotten Shemp is

Not possible

I have a soft spot for Shemp, the forgotten Stooge.

Yes, that's possible. Given the fair possibility the Bills regress record-wise next year and also given the quality, especially DL, available at the top of the draft 2019, I'd be reticent to make that deal. My #1 qb would have to be sitting there at 4.

Every fan base has its share of folks with unreasonable expectations. The above isn't happening, but neither is the #4 pick garnering a 2019 1st.

I think you only trade up high for Darnold or Allen, imo. I prefer Darnold, to be clear. I would much more readily pay the price there. I have a feeling Rosen may fall a bit. One of the top four should be available in the 6 - 10 range. A small trade up for Rosen or Mayfield is more likely and probably more prudent.

Giants want Peterman when they used a third on Webb last year? Has to be a joke, no?

I understand your point. You judge the risk too great when there are good qbs with fewer questions. I don't disagree with your logic. The counter is that Bills' evaluators would have to believe Allen's likelihood of reaching his potential strong for their action to be rationally warranted. If that is the case, they would accept greater risk (because less than you imagine) for higher payoff.

I don't think there's any question Rosen is the safer pick. He is also arguably the most ready to play. My main emphasis in my rejoinder was that if Beane selects Allen, it will not be (as in 2013) because there really weren't any alternative choices worthy of consideration. I infer from this that OBD will have determined Allen's potential fairly likely to be reached and worth waiting on. They could be wrong, naturally.

I don't really see it. Say they trade up to 2 and take Allen with Rosen and Mayfield available. They would have to have evaluated all three and still concluded that Allen would eventually be the better pro. EJ was in a bad year for qb; this isn't.

For some folks, if he can't start year one, he isn't worthy of a top five pick. I disagree with that criteria and hope we would follow a similar trajectory as that of Mahomes.

I'd rather get Darnold, but I like Allen and would not be angry or sick to my stomach like many of you.

If Browns take a non-qb at one and the Giants don't jump on Darnold and actually trade the pick to the Bills for a king's ransom, I would be very surprised if we don't take Darnold. I would. I suppose your scenario is possible, but I don't think it's probable. If it happens, however, I will not be devestated, though most of this board will be livid.

What benefit would Cleveland get from that? I really doubt we would trade up to 1 for Allen, though I like him considerably more than you do.

Not in the mood to have my dreams of somehow landing Darnold crushed, so shush with that . . .

He's a good one. Hopefully we have some decent picks for o-line, lb, and wr after we get our qb. Hopefully, we get our qb

The cost to trade up for Barkley is the same as the cost to trade up for one of the top 4 qb (Darnold would cost more, of course.) This is a deep draft for rb. If you somehow can grab a qb and keep 22, Sony Michel and Darius Guise might be there for the taking. Rashaad Penny might be available late second/early third. So, it's a dim idea.