C.Biscuit97

So you believe SM is going to defer to a guy who he helped get the job?

Ceiling is one of the dumbest terms in sports and it makes teams make stupid picks. I thought he was one of the safest picks in his draft and I had no worries about him reaching his ceiling. He should have won the Heisman in college.

Beane has nothing to do with the draft now except get SM his Red Bull’s and give him foot rubs. To be fair, they have been pretty good with defensive moves. But that makes since because a defensive coordinator is running our franchise.

Weird that holding on to one of the most expensive RBs who is 30 and had a bunch of off field stuff didn’t work out for us. They will release McCoy this offseason.

So Arizona gave broken Sam $20 million, benched him for a rookie, fired the vet OC and replaced him with a guy who has never done it, and they are firing him? Wow, they didn’t even give him a chance.

Who is trading a 3rd for a FB??? That is insane.

I’ll ask the question: what could we trade Allen for now?

One, I respect your defenses of Allen and I want you to be right. But isn’t the flip side, who was playing against? Shouldn’t a top 10 pick dominate in a lower conference? Mahomes was dominate in his last year in college. So was Watson. So was Jackson. So was Mayfield. Josh Allen has 2 career 300 yard games. i feel like Allen is one of those high school basketball players who get drafted to the nba. It’s all on potential. And as I’ve said, if you had Teid or McVay, I’d be good with it. But to blindly trust Daboll and SM to develop a guy like this terrifies me.

Haha, am I not making it clear? i try to be consistent. I never got the Allen hype going into the draft. Guys like him rarely work out. I prayed for the Jets or Browns to draft him (I wonder how Allen would be talked about if he was on another team here). The guy has all the tools and seems like a great dude. I have zero questions about his work ethic. But is it too much to ask for a guy to have better rookie year than EJ Manuel?

Haha, Whaley was responsible for Zay??? That’s hilarious. SM hired Zay’s college coach and they traded up to draft him. Just like he drafted Rocky Proehl’s son because he was friends with him. The Bills had a top 10 offense under Whaley. He built a receiver core of Watkins, Woods, Hogan, and Goodwin. All this thread made me do is what to bring back Whaley. also fun fact, Josh Allen is the type of QB Whaley would have loved.

Honest question: at what point can you say Allen (49% at Juco, 56% at Wyoming, 51.7% nfl) struggles with accuracy? His receivers suck but this has been the story of his career.

Who said he couldn’t play in the league? The question is whether he is a franchise qb. He obviously has a ton of talent which is why we drafted him so high, despite some very apparent flaws. and yes, Allen would be better on KC but I don’t think Andy Reid would draft a guy like Allen in the first place. That’s why when SM got the call from Reid to trade at the trade, he should have just pick Mahomes. The idea that guys who made this talentless offense picked a qb that high terrifies me. What has McBean shown about knowing offense? We need to hire an offensive evaluator this offseason.

Kelvin Benjamin

Exactly! Touch! Besides having a cannon, watch the touch Mahomes has. I remember watching JP throw a 60 yard pass like nothing, and then bounce a 5 yard screen pass. I remember EJ rolling out and throwing a 80 yard bomb to Mike Williams with ease and then throw lawn darts to guys 10 yards away. Allen has every tool. But his touch passing is really, really bad and that’s what great qb have. He is a like a major league pitcher who throws a 100, but has no other pitches and struggles with control.

Honest question, because I don’t remember because I was doing it, did folks do this for EJ or JP? Not saying Allen won’t be better but I don’t remember any player getting more excuses made than Allen? and he’s a rookie QB and will have plenty of time to prove himself. But it’s weird that people are working so hard to defend something that many people thought was issue for him in college. Haha. This is hilarious. Yup, the guy who didn’t make any of the all MWC teams, who struggles with accuracy, would be doing what Mahomes is doing. Mahomes might be the best qb in the nfl. Stop selling him short. If Allen was on the Jets, we would be laughing at his stats and saying he is a running back playing qb. Don’t lie, because it’s true. ?

Or they have HOF QBs making great passes. I know Allen is a combo of Elway/ newton/ Steve young but he has a ways to go.

Brees’ adjusted qb completion % must be 99%! this is my frustration with the way people defend Allen (and this is a Bills board so again I get it). It’s also how I probably sounded defending JP and EJ. 1) Wilson completed 73% of his passes his last year in college. Mahomes completed 66%. Now, I know Allen is never the rest for an incompletion, but he completed 56% and has never been better than that at any level. I know this is crazy, but maybe, Wilson and Mahomes throw more accurate and catchable passes. they talked about the arc Wilson throws on his deep passes. Mahomes makes throws sideways around defenders and throws at angles I’ve never seen before. They are really, really good. 2). The same front office that built this offense, drafted Allen. Maybe they just are terrible at scouting offense. I was screaming for them to take St Brown of Notre Dame (near a 100 yards yesterday) but they took a small, slot receiver who wasn’t even the best on his college team. They traded for KB after seeing him firsthand in Carolina!!! 3) Baldwin wasn’t drafted. Lockett was a 3rd. Robinson was a 4th. Zay Jones would be the highest drafted receiver on either teAm. At some point, when does the qb elevate the receivers? My god, Brady made a career of making stars out of scrubs. our receivers suck. That Foster one could have been a bad one. But at some point, can we hold the highest drafted QB in Bills history, a guy who has never been over 56%, accountable? It’s not all his fault but there’s a reason people question him going that high. He needs to be better.

I believe that was exactly it. I remember being scared of Clay when we played them. Think about it, he did better with Tannehill throwing him the ball. but either way, it’s time to get some new blood. Enjoy he game and go Bills!

I think you need to review their TE’s production. Clay, prior to this year, was far superior to any of them. and the Heisman winner is probably going to get more hype than the Wyoming guy. If Allen becomes the guy, he will get ball washes like every good qb does.

So they had a HOF qb and a much more talented roster yet they won 9 games in 2 years? So maybe their roster wasn’t that superior or Lynn has done a good job.

Rivers is a stat monster and a HOF. But he has a tendency for bad mistakes at crucial times.

I mean if he was playing with Rodgers or Brees, it’s be one thing. We had a bottom 3 passing attack while he was here. Who would have been awesome here? i think Clay was a good, versatile player who struggled with injuries. Definitely time to move on but he was solid and upgrade over almost any TE on the last 15 years. that said, do what NE, and draft some monster TE who are match nightmares. I think Allen would thrive in a 2 TE type offense.

I guess we forget he was our leading receiver for a couple seasons.

Sure dude. There are plenty of people who trash Jackson while making every excuse for Allen. I had them tied as prospects coming out at the draft and imo, they are still tied. if Allen had Jackson’s production against that level in college instead I’d ehat he did in the MWC, there would be no criticism of him and he’d be the number 1 pick of the draft. But there are totally double standards here (it’s a bills board and I expect that but I call it like I see it) but Allen is closer as a passer to Jackson than Brees. But both are super young and have a lot of ability, so hopefully they both get there because it makes the nfl better.

At the same point, his sack total has been going consistently down. He’s like a Robert Woods. Real solid player but should never be your number 1.