dave mcbride

Makes sense to me. I think Darnold is heads and shoulders above the rest, and I'd be shocked if the Browns don't take him. Because they're told that there are 24 teams being polled and hence their lone answer doesn't actually matter. The fact that Darnold got the vast majority of the votes tells you all you need to know. He is hands down the best prospect in this draft. I have been saying that forever, to be sure, but it seems patently obvious. This backs that up.

I'm a Foles fan and would be happy to get him. People who label him a journeyman focus way, way too much on his short stint under Jeff Fisher playing in an archaic offensive scheme.

Cyrus K, Trent Richardson, Foster, Dareus, Rolando McClain ... national merit scholars all!

I've read other things with more detail on this board; I just can't remember when or by whom. They were trustworthy posters, though.

Here you go!!! https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-the-very-upset-giants-tried-to-trade-up-for-patrick-mahomes/

Let's just stick with the first round alone. There's no way he wasn't a top five player. I can only think of three other elite picks: Watson, Lattimore, and Garrett.

You know, it really depends. It may be the case that the Bills targeted White and thought he was the perfect player for them, but he knew he'd be there late in the first. And he was actually phenomenal! Another thing - it's a relationship business, and not screwing someone over in your first year on the job will help you out later on. That stuff matters over the long haul. Ironically, Dorsey controls picks 1 and 4 this year. We shall see what happens. They already got more than I ever thought they would for Tyrod from Dorsey.

But my understanding is that the Giants, who had a better pick (23), wanted to trade up with the Bills too, but McDermott nixed it because he already had a deal in place with Reid. If we had made that trade with the Giants, no one would be complaining! I think it's very arguable that 2 of the best 5 players in last year's draft based on 2017 performances were CBs, and that White was definitely one of those top 5. Name me one player other than Lattimore who was better than White last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NFL_Draft.

Given that the trade was with Andy Reid/Dorsey, I highly doubt that Whaley had much say in this instance. Christ, he had already been fired, more or less.

Precisely. I agree 100 percent. That said, the Colts actually made a number of good picks - Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne (helped because of Manning, of course, but still a great player), Freeney, Mathis, Sanders, and Tarik Glenn (also helped by Manning). Both Freeney and Mathis are borderline hall of famers. Maybe you're just an easy grader!

From everything I've read, there really aren't 22 first round talents this year, and there are a lot of players graded as second rounders. 2 second round-graded players are better than one in terms of your odds of achieving success. You just aren't finding an elite prospect at 22.

I've heard 17-18 first rounders at most. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea considering a trade up with GB, a team which always seems to find good value in the 40-100 range (think of all of their second and third round receivers who produce like crazy - Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Adams).

Maybe trade 22, 53, and 96 to GB for #14? It then becomes more conceivable to trade 12, 14, 65 and next year's second to move into the top 5. It's two instead of 1. Plus 6 is way better than 12.

That has been my worry too. Good quote.

Great stuff and confirms my belief that a strong case can be made for Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen as #1 overalls. That is really rare - only 2004 and 1983 compare, really. That is why the Bills really need to get one of these guys if they can. They are that much better (at least as prospects) than next year's shaky crop. We knew this after last season too -- everyone said that this was the year. Btw, I'm starting to get a sneaking sense that Lamar Jackson might go before Allen. I still think Allen goes ni the first, btw. Yes.

.40 -- holy effing crap!

You are imagining a lot of things about other posters that aren't true. Don't be so defensive.

50% is far greater than 0%. That is the Bills' batting average with franchise qbs over the past 22 years, and they have never drafted a qb in the top 5. No guts, no glory -- and never very much winning.

A franchise qb is a 15-year investment. Good teams also know how to use free agency now too - guys who have actually proven that they can play in the NFL rather than college prospects.

I am not going to respond to the meat of this because it's pointless, but have you never really heard the term knuckle dragger? If not, look it up.

Oh jeez. Given that the 10th ranked school is 964 (very sad in and of itself) and a) Alabama isn't in that top 10 and b) Alabama ranks 50th out of 51 states (plus DC, which is last) in high school math scores, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 925-950 is a pretty accurate guess. In fact, I'd bet money on it. I don't know what or who you're arguing on behalf of at this point. Why do you even care about the academic performance of the team's football players? It doesn't tell you anything about the overall school (which you seem to care most about).

This is a ridiculous question, but let's start with Rueben Foster and Marcel Dareus. I neither know enough about their roster (nor actually care) but feel very confident in surmising that the average SAT score hovers in the 925 range given that they're an SEC school competing with the likes of Florida (a better academic school) for talent. https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores A 925-950 score on the SAT is actually terrible. You know that, right?

Give it up. Look up UNC. Look up Florida State in Jimbo's glory days. To repeat, this is really the wrong hill to die on. Big time college sports is thoroughly corrupt but entertaining. It is what it is. Accept it.

Man, you are very, very naive about what it takes for a player at a big time D1 school to get a “degree”. Piece of advice: check out their majors, look into the special tutor systems at these places, and read up on UNC, a better school than Alabama. The guys who don’t get their degrees are generally the really good ones who can enter the draft after their junior year. These schools make it about as easy as possible for people at 6th grade reading levels to graduate with ease. Without getting into detail, I have spent the last three decades of my life at major university institutions. I know what I’m talking about. The Alabama “scholar athlete” is the wrong hill to die on. Accept big time D1 football for what it is: a thoroughly corrupt institution that makes a ton of money for the big schools and which has absolutely nothing to do with academics. I wouldn’t fault anyone for enjoying a system that I think shouldn’t exist in its current form — it is highly entertaining, after all — but I do ask that people at least see it for what it truly is.

Foles is a very good player in the right system. Kelly and Pederson had the right system for him; Jeff Fisher didn't.