ndirish1978

The bolded is true, we would do better at WR5 if we drafted a receiver higher in the draft. The issue for those of us who are ok with not drafting a receiver in the top 4 rounds this year is that you would be replacing DE3 or DT3 with that pick (yes, I don't count Daquan because I think he's out). Our D-line is bad. I believe the resources were better spent addressing DT in the 2nd and 4th and a DE in the 3rd. You have the right to disagree, it just gets tiresome when a portion of the board runs around arguing that we should have taken a WR early, which is an opinion, like it's a fact that everyone who disagrees with is wrong.

Someone is still mad from another thread. You're the guy complaining about not investing in the offense and you want to cut a defensive player and push dead cap to future years to handcuff the cap. Let's just leave the issue in the other thread and decide not to like each other and not cluster every other thread on the board with this nonsense. I'm going to do it regardless but you can feel free to remain triggered.

Oliver's cap hit if we got rid of him in 2026 would be $21.585M. He's not going anywhere.

Glad to see you admit you're ridiculous. Thanks! I agree.

"Greatly prioritized" what a joke. Here's the prior 7 years in which we super duper prioritized our Defense and led to us losing in the playoffs. 2024 - 5 of 10 picks went to the offense - Even 2023 - 4 of 6 picks went to offense - Offensive Draft 2022 - 3 of 7 picks to offense, 1 pick was a punter. 3 picks to defense = Even 2021 - 4 of 8 picks went to offense - Even 2020 - 4 of 7 picks went to offense, 1 pick was a kicker - Offensive draft 2019 - 4 of 8 picks went to offense - Even 2018 - 4 of 8 picks went to offense, we traded up 2x to get Allen - Even So last 7 years we have had 5 even drafts and 2 offensive ones. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good irrational whining session though. Great example of the people voicing your argument, it's all off "vibes." You FEEL something is real, so you crack your knuckles and type your little heart out making ridiculous statements without taking 2 seconds to think "maybe I should check to see if I'm right."

4 pages and I'm surprised no one mentioned he didn't backtrack from his comments yesterday or give some perfunctory "yeah I came in a little too hot." I figured all the "it was not appropriate to speak like that" crowd would have their pitchforks out. Actually encouraged by this. WGR is a clownshow 90% of the time. I dunno why Buffalo as a community can't do better than Schopp, Jeremy White and DiBiase. They should just let the Cover 1 guys take over the programming, at least Thompsett, Prohaska, Turner and Quinn know ball.

I understand that you wanted a WR. It's also possible that they brought in people they needed to meet with at a position of interest to check on their personalities and to test their processing speed. It's entirely plausible that several players didn't "pass" the meeting process and were simply not around to be picked at the value of pick they had been assigned. I don't really agree with the "he wanted a WR so it's a valid criticism to say they failed by not taking a WR." You can see the need for a field-stretching receiver but value the players available when you pick lower than another available position. Teslaa was projected to go in the 5-6th and went in the third in a trade up right before we picked. Not sure what you want Beane to do, throw away the value on his board to take a WR? The earliest spot I can see for them to have taken a specific-role WR over a position of extreme need would be 170 with Jordan Hancock. If you listen to Bean's interview on OBD he said the pick the scouts got the most excited about value was taking Hancock. They see him being a big nickel/safety and see a need to replace Cam and they thought that was more valuable that getting a WR 4-5 so that's a direct response to your opinion, they disagree. To give a specific response to a general complaint I see a lot of people making here I am copying this over from another post I made yesterday: These are the WRs selected after we drafted Walker. Arian Smith 110, Jaylin Lane 128, Jalen Royals 133, Lambert-Smith 158, Tory Horton 166, LaJohnTay Wester 203, Jimmy Horn 208, Tommy Mellot 213, Tex Johnson 235, Ricky White 238, Kaden Prather to us at 240 and then 3 other jags. I liked Lane, Royals and Horton. Let's see if we could have gotten them assuming teams would have traded us a pick in that range Jaylin Lane pick 128 - 20 pts, Jaylen Royals pick 133 - 18 pts, Tory Horton pick 166 - 9 pts At this point in the draft we had added CB, DT, Edge, DT. To trade up for Lane or Royals we would have needed to give up these players: 173 Jackson Hawes, 177 Dorian Strong, 206 Chase Lundt To trade for Tory Horton would have cost us 170 206 and 240. I would have been happy had they done that, but they didn't and if they wanted Horton they could have traded 3 picks to get him. It's also possible the teams at 160-165 didn't want to trade with us. I don't see "hypocrisy" in any of that. We traded a pick for a receiver cause we thought he could help, he didn't help all that much. We replaced him with a younger receiver they expect can actually contribute. Beane NEVER acted like WR was not on the table, he reacted to two morons complaining about a draft that fell heavy on D and acted like we ignored the most important position, if you listen to their whining right before he went on that is what was happening. That is what annoys me about the contingent of fans hand-wringing and acting like Beane did anything wrong, he did not. He didn't say we didn't need a WR, he said specifically in response to their claim that he devalues the position that we took value in the draft and we scored 30 pts in each of the last 8 games. We didn't lose in the playoffs because we didn't have a vertical threat, we lost because the Defense was garbage.

Understood. Elam was a big miss. It must have become pretty obvious to them that Elam just didn't have the tools or mental makeup to do well in their system. Defensive players generally have a shorter time to adapt to systems because as a rule they usually expect to get production earlier on that side of the ball, which makes sense.

Because they drafted Kincaid and Coleman with their first pick the last 2 years, they need to get better. We know who we have on defense and Defense has been awful when it counts in the playoffs. If you want to quickly improve a team overall that has a B+ offense, A+ QB and a C- defense it's pretty clear you upgrade the defense to B or B+ and you're going to get dividends because they are dragging the team average down.

You are correct, I was not counting Ogunjobi because he is suspended for the first 6 games. We have 2 DTs, we drafted 2. We don't have to keep 4, we can keep 5 and Carter will be inactive on gamedays unless there is an injury. Do I think DT was a bigger need than WR? Yes. You don't, it's ok for us to disagree. I agree that we are missing a vertical threat, though I think Palmer can do things down the field. I have addressed this in a post in another thread. There were 3 down the field threats available to use after drafting Walker, I believe drafting a bigger replacement for Cam Lewis and adding a 3rd TE with a blocking specialty was more important than getting someone like Noel or Royals, I presume you would not. I would note that Beane said the pick the scouts were most excited about falling into their laps was the nickel/hybrid safety from OSU so it seems like they had him rated higher than the 2 receivers. I liked Horton, so that seems to be the only guys who we could have picked but didn't.

I was responding to a single point made by a single poster.

I disagree. We invested our first pick last year on WR, we signed Palmer this year. We have Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir at WR. That is 4 players. At DT We have Oliver and a 3rd rd pick in Carter that couldn't get on the field last year and was a healthy scratch behind street FAs, that's it. DaQuon Jones is pretty much done, he's more likely to get cut than make the roster. So you're looking at a position that has 4 starters vs 1 that has a single starter. In that specific instance a 4th rounder at DT is absolutely able to be a difference-maker whereas a 4th rounder at WR would have to unseat one of 3 vets on substantial contracts or Coleman.

Nope, not over at all. You want to complain, I understand. Just don't act like your viewpoint is the only correct one.

Conflating defensiveness with being tired of the same WGR crap is just incorrect. That station is just terrible. Beane lost his patience and i don't fault him for it.

Not sarcastic. I wanted to see what your actual thoughts were. From your answer I understand you would have put more draft resources into drafting WR3 over DT2. Now I know philosophically you and I will never agree and we can move on agreeing to disagree. You prefer to spend more than both of our second round picks to draft a WR3 with upside to be 2. A rookie WR would play on no more than 30% of downs as opposed to a DT who will be a starter and will play 45% of downs at a minimum. 4th or 5th rd players are not starting in this offense, Shakir put up really good stats and was used sparingly early on. Deone Walker should play a significant role as a rotational DT and adds size that no one on this team has. We NEEDED 2 DTs in this draft. We cannot hope to put up a semi-competent D without adding what we added. So what I'm understanding from a couple of comments is that you wanted a deep threat. I agree, we need a deep threat. I guess I just don't agree that we needed a WR over the positions on defense. These are the WRs selected after we drafted Walker. Arian Smith 110, Jaylin Lane 128, Jalen Royals 133, Lambert-Smith 158, Tory Horton 166, LaJohnTay Wester 203, Jimmy Horn 208, Tommy Mellot 213, Tex Johnson 235, Ricky White 238, Kaden Prather to us at 240 and then 3 other jags. I liked Lane, Royals and Horton. Let's see if we could have gotten them assuming teams would have traded us a pick in that range Jaylin Lane pick 128 - 20 pts Jaylen Royals pick 133 - 18 pts Tory Horton pick 166 - 9 pts At this point in the draft we had added CB, DT, Edge, DT. to trade up for Lane or Royals we would have needed to give up 173,177,206. That would have left us with 7 picks total. We would have given up both 5th rounders and our early 6th. Meaning we would pick at 127 and then not again until 170, then 206. What would we have given up to do that: 173 we drafted a blocking TE. We didn't have one but sure I'll give that up. 177- Dorian Strong - I like him a lot. I'm happy we got him. 206 We drafted a swing tackle to learn the position so we have the option to use Alec Anderson to play guard next seasons since we can't pay Cybo, Edwards and McGovern I would call this a push, I would probably like Royals the same amount as I like these 3 players To trade for Tory Horton would have cost us 170 and 240. I wish they had done that. 170 We drafted a hybrid nickel/safety to replace the undersized Cam Lewis. I have been asking for a replacement at that position so this pick made me happy. I don't know if they liked him or if they thought he was equal value to Jordan Hancock but I can see valuing that WR role equal to the hybrid player we selected. So, the point I agree with you on is we could have selected Tory Horton, I wish they had, but maybe they liked him less than we do. They picked a WR 74 picks later and Beane said that he was surprised the board lined up to where value matched the pick that late. All I can say is that the Bills and the league didn't value Horton higher than Jordan Hancock by a lot or I think we would have traded up to get him. As a general philosophy I can say we probably disagree as to the value of a field stretching WR over other positions, but I appreciate you putting your thoughts down. The draft isn't the entire offseason, there are speedy receivers who are known commodities on the market like Moore and Chark. I don't think it's fair to say we ignored the position when it's April.

He's a viable signing. We could sign Kennan Allen or Chark at this point for the vet min and half this board would call them over-the-hill jags.

So we scored 30 and we still have Josh Allen, what's your point? We lost in the playoffs because our D was horrendous. They spent the draft addressing the Defense. I would be quite upset if we hadn't double dipped at DT, which they did. They also double dipped at CB to try to maximize the chance we have a player on the roster who can fill that spot? This is the perfect example of someone complaining just to complain. Which pick exactly would you have wanted Beane to draft a WR instead of who was drafted? Who would you have picked and why are they better for the team NOW than the player picked. Oh and I could care less that you "didn't like the way he came in hot." Your argument is simply "you work for me, tell me how my opinion is valid and special and why you're wrong."

The offseason is not over yet. As evidenced by the visit of Elijah Moore today, they don't think the WR room is good to go. After a certain point in the draft you're drafting developmental talent that can't be banked on to come in and unseat vets. I think it's pretty logical to think "we did't get a guy in the top few rounds at WR because we were addressing needs that we cannot run out and sign in free agency, I can take a swing at a traitsy WR (like we did with Shakir and the coaches didn't count on him consistently for a couple years) or I can continue drafting depth at positions we have no depth at and make sure we have sufficient resources on ST, then we can supplement the WR room with vets where we know what we're getting when we sign them." Beane said he didn't think the board would line up so that their WR pick was in the 7th, he has shown that he agrees we could use another person in there, but the constant chirping about it is really boring.

He injects it into every conversation. Before the draft Marino was listing options in the 1st and 2nd for our picks. After Joe listed the logical CB/DE/DT players that we could target White was always saying "and if we go WR, which guys are available." It's a constant nonstop drone.

To the people ripping on Beane or saying his words were "inappropriate", get over yourselves. The media is not some sort of untouchable, venerable institution that cannot be criticized. We led the league in points, we signed Palmer to have a matchup guy with speed and then offseason isn't over yet. Every conversation I've heard on the radio about the draft is these stooges complaining that we didn't do exactly what they, the media, would have wanted. I do not care, I've been sick of it as well. Beane was well within his rights to push back against it and say the complaints are stupid. White runs around on the radio, on his podcast with Joe Marino and takes every conversation about any other position and brings it back to WR and he has been doing it for a long time now. The schtick is old and for some reason he seems proud of it. It's a waste of time and it is stupid.

I'm bummed that the Dolphins got both the DTs I actually wanted. Not too thrilled with the Walker pick, I wanted Phillips or CJ West. I never watch ESPN, I can't stand Kiper. Eisen has been ball washing for about 4 straight picks though. He is the 2nd QB drafted by that team and the 5th QB, I don't care about him at all. Wish they would stop.

I'm bummed that the Dolphins got both the DTs I actually wanted. Not too thrilled with the Walker pick, I wanted Phillips or CJ West

Yes, should be WR. I think sneakily it could also be IOL if the value is there and the top two guys below are gone. Tory Horton Jalen Royals Chimere ***** Jordan Watkins

Knox is a decent blocker who is forced to block more than he should have to because Kincaid isn't a plus blocker. Quentin Morris is gone. Davidson can't block and really shown anything to say he has upside to be anything other than what he is. Need to draft someone like Mitchell Evans who has the ability to be a complete TE or someone like CJ Dippre who right now is just a plus blocker, which at least brings a different skillset.

Well we can get an edge if we want it now