ndirish1978

Nope, not over at all. You want to complain, I understand. Just don't act like your viewpoint is the only correct one.

Conflating defensiveness with being tired of the same WGR crap is just incorrect. That station is just terrible. Beane lost his patience and i don't fault him for it.

Not sarcastic. I wanted to see what your actual thoughts were. From your answer I understand you would have put more draft resources into drafting WR3 over DT2. Now I know philosophically you and I will never agree and we can move on agreeing to disagree. You prefer to spend more than both of our second round picks to draft a WR3 with upside to be 2. A rookie WR would play on no more than 30% of downs as opposed to a DT who will be a starter and will play 45% of downs at a minimum. 4th or 5th rd players are not starting in this offense, Shakir put up really good stats and was used sparingly early on. Deone Walker should play a significant role as a rotational DT and adds size that no one on this team has. We NEEDED 2 DTs in this draft. We cannot hope to put up a semi-competent D without adding what we added. So what I'm understanding from a couple of comments is that you wanted a deep threat. I agree, we need a deep threat. I guess I just don't agree that we needed a WR over the positions on defense. These are the WRs selected after we drafted Walker. Arian Smith 110, Jaylin Lane 128, Jalen Royals 133, Lambert-Smith 158, Tory Horton 166, LaJohnTay Wester 203, Jimmy Horn 208, Tommy Mellot 213, Tex Johnson 235, Ricky White 238, Kaden Prather to us at 240 and then 3 other jags. I liked Lane, Royals and Horton. Let's see if we could have gotten them assuming teams would have traded us a pick in that range Jaylin Lane pick 128 - 20 pts Jaylen Royals pick 133 - 18 pts Tory Horton pick 166 - 9 pts At this point in the draft we had added CB, DT, Edge, DT. to trade up for Lane or Royals we would have needed to give up 173,177,206. That would have left us with 7 picks total. We would have given up both 5th rounders and our early 6th. Meaning we would pick at 127 and then not again until 170, then 206. What would we have given up to do that: 173 we drafted a blocking TE. We didn't have one but sure I'll give that up. 177- Dorian Strong - I like him a lot. I'm happy we got him. 206 We drafted a swing tackle to learn the position so we have the option to use Alec Anderson to play guard next seasons since we can't pay Cybo, Edwards and McGovern I would call this a push, I would probably like Royals the same amount as I like these 3 players To trade for Tory Horton would have cost us 170 and 240. I wish they had done that. 170 We drafted a hybrid nickel/safety to replace the undersized Cam Lewis. I have been asking for a replacement at that position so this pick made me happy. I don't know if they liked him or if they thought he was equal value to Jordan Hancock but I can see valuing that WR role equal to the hybrid player we selected. So, the point I agree with you on is we could have selected Tory Horton, I wish they had, but maybe they liked him less than we do. They picked a WR 74 picks later and Beane said that he was surprised the board lined up to where value matched the pick that late. All I can say is that the Bills and the league didn't value Horton higher than Jordan Hancock by a lot or I think we would have traded up to get him. As a general philosophy I can say we probably disagree as to the value of a field stretching WR over other positions, but I appreciate you putting your thoughts down. The draft isn't the entire offseason, there are speedy receivers who are known commodities on the market like Moore and Chark. I don't think it's fair to say we ignored the position when it's April.

He's a viable signing. We could sign Kennan Allen or Chark at this point for the vet min and half this board would call them over-the-hill jags.

So we scored 30 and we still have Josh Allen, what's your point? We lost in the playoffs because our D was horrendous. They spent the draft addressing the Defense. I would be quite upset if we hadn't double dipped at DT, which they did. They also double dipped at CB to try to maximize the chance we have a player on the roster who can fill that spot? This is the perfect example of someone complaining just to complain. Which pick exactly would you have wanted Beane to draft a WR instead of who was drafted? Who would you have picked and why are they better for the team NOW than the player picked. Oh and I could care less that you "didn't like the way he came in hot." Your argument is simply "you work for me, tell me how my opinion is valid and special and why you're wrong."

The offseason is not over yet. As evidenced by the visit of Elijah Moore today, they don't think the WR room is good to go. After a certain point in the draft you're drafting developmental talent that can't be banked on to come in and unseat vets. I think it's pretty logical to think "we did't get a guy in the top few rounds at WR because we were addressing needs that we cannot run out and sign in free agency, I can take a swing at a traitsy WR (like we did with Shakir and the coaches didn't count on him consistently for a couple years) or I can continue drafting depth at positions we have no depth at and make sure we have sufficient resources on ST, then we can supplement the WR room with vets where we know what we're getting when we sign them." Beane said he didn't think the board would line up so that their WR pick was in the 7th, he has shown that he agrees we could use another person in there, but the constant chirping about it is really boring.

He injects it into every conversation. Before the draft Marino was listing options in the 1st and 2nd for our picks. After Joe listed the logical CB/DE/DT players that we could target White was always saying "and if we go WR, which guys are available." It's a constant nonstop drone.

To the people ripping on Beane or saying his words were "inappropriate", get over yourselves. The media is not some sort of untouchable, venerable institution that cannot be criticized. We led the league in points, we signed Palmer to have a matchup guy with speed and then offseason isn't over yet. Every conversation I've heard on the radio about the draft is these stooges complaining that we didn't do exactly what they, the media, would have wanted. I do not care, I've been sick of it as well. Beane was well within his rights to push back against it and say the complaints are stupid. White runs around on the radio, on his podcast with Joe Marino and takes every conversation about any other position and brings it back to WR and he has been doing it for a long time now. The schtick is old and for some reason he seems proud of it. It's a waste of time and it is stupid.

I'm bummed that the Dolphins got both the DTs I actually wanted. Not too thrilled with the Walker pick, I wanted Phillips or CJ West. I never watch ESPN, I can't stand Kiper. Eisen has been ball washing for about 4 straight picks though. He is the 2nd QB drafted by that team and the 5th QB, I don't care about him at all. Wish they would stop.

I'm bummed that the Dolphins got both the DTs I actually wanted. Not too thrilled with the Walker pick, I wanted Phillips or CJ West

Yes, should be WR. I think sneakily it could also be IOL if the value is there and the top two guys below are gone. Tory Horton Jalen Royals Chimere ***** Jordan Watkins

Knox is a decent blocker who is forced to block more than he should have to because Kincaid isn't a plus blocker. Quentin Morris is gone. Davidson can't block and really shown anything to say he has upside to be anything other than what he is. Need to draft someone like Mitchell Evans who has the ability to be a complete TE or someone like CJ Dippre who right now is just a plus blocker, which at least brings a different skillset.

Well we can get an edge if we want it now

Yeah that's fine if people actually watched tape and knew he actually plays 1 tech and is now around 305. The kid is 6'4 and ripped, it's not like we drafted a 6 foot kid who is 250 to play DT.

We need to draft a punter, we have terrible punters. We probably throw that in to a trade up though.

Not surprised by the level of ignorance in this thread, but the whining is pretty bad. We Traded 56, 62, 109. Total value is 212 We received 41, 72, 240. Total value is 214 This is in NO WAY a bad trade. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp?

The complete DTs are pretty much gone. It should be DB or trade back. I would be unhappy trading up for a 5'11 WR when we have major needs on D

Well I hated them before, now even more

Gotta be Will Johnson

Nice to have Offensive players ranked above 30 on most big boards going before us.

That's not unlikely, it's been reported if Barron is on the board we trade with PIT

DE?

He's very good. He is going to a team with no offensive line so he better be.

Distractions are things like mouthing off in the locker room and refusing to play. Cook isn't being a distraction, his brother is but he is not. He will play on his rookie contract this year and then leave next year and we will draft his replacement. Dalvin tweeting 20M on the eve of the draft is kindergarten negotiating tactics that he somehow thinks will encourage a trade. No one cares. We made an offer, it was not to Cook's liking. He tried to ask for an exorbitant amount and Beane walked away from the table and announced negotiations are over. There is no negotiation, these ridiculous Dalvin tweets accomplish nothing but alienating James from the fans. What is Cook going to do, sulk and give poor effort in his contract year? He'll never see the bag he wants that way. He has no choice but to show up, play as well as he can and then leave and hand us a comp pick on his way out of the door. I very much doubt he's getting traded, this should be another solid year of production for us for cheap.