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Some Clay, some Mccoy, mixed in with a little Zay, O'Leary, Holmes, Keep in and DiMarco. It's going to be tough sledding but I see the Bills trying to get the ball in a bunch of different people's hands. The type of game where like 8 different people catch a pass. Can we do that? Not sure, but absent a monstrous game from McCoy I think that will be the formula to sneak out a win on the road.

For a 1st rounder, yes. For a 2nd rounder, probably. For a 3rd rounder, probably not.

I started to have serious concerns about Tyrod after last years opener vs. the Ravens where he played much like the game this past Sunday and just couldn't do anything in the passing game. I was officially done with him after the Raiders game in '16, where he couldn't make 1 pass to save his life the entire 2nd half when the team so badly needed him to. He is not a good enough passer, and his apologists who say to look at his YPA, his running ability and his lack of turnovers I say no thanks. There is a reason the Bills were designed to lead the league in rushing the last 2 years.....it's because they knew they had a QB that can't win in the pocket and can't consistently throw the ball. He has 31 full games as the Bills starter: He's thrown for 195 yards or less in 16 games He's thrown for 300 or more yards once (and that was the OT game vs. MIA last yr.) That isn't good no matter how you try and slice it.

Truth be told: Trevor Siemian is a much better passer than Tyrod, and it's not even close. This offseason there were some murmurs that the Bills would be interested in Siemian if Denver let him loose, there were also rumors of the Jets being interested. When these rumors were swirling I went back and rewatched 4 of his games from last year. I was impressed. He was a player that I really only heard negative things about and I came away pretty impressed with 2 of the most important aspects to a QB's game: 1- Accuracy, 2- Pocket Presence He takes some awful sacks, but overall I'd much prefer him under center to Tyrod Taylor.

I tend to agree. He at least gets the ball out on time. There is some semblance of timing to the offense with Peterman slinging it. I can't remember one time Tyrod hit his back foot and let the ball go yesterday. He was awful. A D+ effort at QB wins us the game yesterday, unfortunately Tyrod went out and laid out a big fat F. But that's what he is.....one of the worst passing QB's. McDermott had a pretty bad game too, which was probably more disappointing since he's going to be here long after Tyrod is gone.

Don't forget the 5th round pick we got from the Pats for signing Gilislee became Nathan Peterman.

Great value here for the Jets. They get a 2nd rounder and a low end #2 WR for a guy on an expiring contract that they didnt want to resign. Richardson also has a fat contract and I believe he's one slip up away from a long suspension. Im actually quite surprised the Jets got a 2 for him. Well played.

1. Shady 2. J. Williams 3 (tie). Banyard (runs like J. Will), Taiwan Jones (runs like Shady, plus has ST value) I guess Tolbert is a lock to make the team, but I guess that means we'll have to cut Banyard.

The JMS is brutal. I don't listen and when I do I realize why I dont

Josh Rosen is the apple of my eye when it comes to QB. I think he is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. The 2 most important traits in good QB's, IMO, are accuracy and the ability to step up and slide around int he pocket & I think he excels @ both. If he doesn't come out in '18 I wouldn't be too upset though. The Bills are probably a 6-8 win team this year so getting into the top 3 would cost a fortune. We have a lot of draft ammo in '18 but with some smart draft day trades maybe we can move around a little and pick up extra high picks for the '19 draft if that's when these stud QB's eventually come out.

On the record: I think it's the smart, prudent move. We are a 6-9 win team with the guys we traded away today. Why? We don't have a good enough QB. And how do most teams find their franchise signal caller? High in the 1st round. And how can you get high in the draft? Having a lot of draft capital. The Bills now have a ton of draft capital. Here's to turning it into Josh Rosen.

Mike Williams, WR. A big, slower WR who physically dominated CB's in college but won't be able to do the same in the pros. Now he's dealing with a back injury that sounds ominous. He might keep the Mike Williams name curse in tact.

Precisely. Couple that with McDermott, Beane and even Pegula all claiming you build through the draft. You can't say that & then forgo valuable & more importantly free mid round draft picks in favor of singing C-level FA's when you have a team predicted to win 7 games. At some point this team needs to get smart and backup their words with intelligent roster building.

So if it is week 10, this gives me hope Beane will find a way to recoup the 3rd rounder. If it looks like we are out of the running for a playoff push after week 9 (say 4-5) it will be a lot easier for Beane to make the wise decision & acquire the 3rd rd. comp. pick by cutting a few backups.

I started the thread in March that the Bills were making a big mistake losing out on 3rd and 4th round comp. picks for the departures of Gilmore and Woods by signing too many C-level FA's. It started a firestorm of reactions from those that agreed to those that thought comp. picks are totally overrated. I was happy to see Matthew Fairburn & Joe Buscaglia both bring it up this week. Fairburn actually directly asked Beane about it in his last presser, and Beane was well aware of it. I actually had a ? about how we can recoup that 3rd round pick though. I understand we need to cut 3 of the qualifying FA additions, the most likely being Ryan Davis, Andre Holmes and Vlad Ducasse. I see Micah Hyde, Steven Hauschka, Jordan Poyer & Patrick Dimarco as near locks, in that order. My ? is when do they need to be cut, to not count as FA additions? Is it before week 1, or is it before week 10? For some reason I thought they can play a certain amount of games before qualifying as an addition? Can someone please let me/us know.

After listening to Leslie Frazier's presser and also some comments from Sal C. it seems hes quite a ways away from being healthy. I dont think the team thinks hes going to be ready to help them this yr., from the sounds of it. Then the ? becomes how does this staff view his skill set moving forward. If hes an odd fit perhaps they'd consider moving him for a 4th or 5th round pick to a LB needy team, but cutting him and getting nothing in return makes no sense. For the record, I hope the Bills (last regime and new regime) would stop trading up in round 2 and paying through the nose to do so. The past 2 drafts we've parted with two 4th round picks & two 5th round picks to move up slightly for Ragland and Dawkins.

Eric Moulds. Eric Moulds late 90's early 2000's was a beast. He was a beast across the middle, and a threat to take a quick slant to the house.

Ive been a season ticket holder since 2002. Ive been to most home games since that time. The loudest game by far was the Monday Night against the Cowboys and no other game even comes close.

Analytical department: Step 1: Follow the 4th down bot on twitter Step 2: Do what it says ......you then have an analytical dept. better than any in the league. Pretty simple.

Success = 1 of 2 things: The Playoffs, or Josh Rosen on this roster next year. One scenario requires 10 wins, the other requires 3 wins. Anything in between will be a total waste, and unfortunately we have about an 80% chance of landing in that wasteland of 5 to 9 wins. Bad enough to miss the playoffs for an 18th straight season, but good enough to miss out on blue chip QB prospects. And Josh Rosen is a blue chip QB prospect. He will be an All Pro in the NFL. Much better prospect than Sam Darnold, despite what you may hear in the media. Stronger arm, better accuracy, quick setup and release, great footwork. I see a Drew Brees or Eli Manning skill set when I watch Rosen play. I'd be thrilledto land him, but I fully expect him to be the #1 overall pick so chances we get that lucky are slim.

Humber has been mentioned in positive light by the head coach and players in th3 oress conferences ive listened too. Also Hodges signed a 1 yr deao for veteran minimum, so Id say signs point to Humber at the moment. With the deal that Hodges signed hes far from a lock to even make the final roster.

Josh Rosen is the most talented passer in college since Andrew Luck, IMO. Brandon Beane and McDermott will covet his skill set, I hope 2017 is about securing the ammo neccesary to draft Rosen. He's a lock to go top 3......so lets hope the 2 #1s and some mid rounders are enough to go get him.

That was a Whaley trick, that looks good short term and burns you long term. That's what they did with Percy Harvin. Smart cap teams try and avoid the prorated dead money signing bonus hits when the player is no longer on the team. Occasionally, you use it....if it allows you to add a piece or 2 to make a run at a championship, but most the time it's not a smart play. I like they stuck to their guns here, if that's what transpired. At this point there aren't many, if any teams that are ponying up $7M in cash for a #2 WR. Remember this is long after FA and the draft, most teams are pretty much set and their money is spent. I think $4M, or a chance to get to $5M w/ some incentives hit is about the best Maclin can do at this stage of the game, and I bet the Bills offer is pretty damn close to that amount. Now, I wonder if the Bills are going to let him shop that # to other teams. I know Bill B. is infamous for not letting the offer stand if the player goes to shop the # to other teams. It's probably the wise choice. Lastly, why do any players allow their agents to negotiate contracts that don't include roster bonuses due a few days before the start of FA. If you're Maclin you'd be much better off being cut just before FA starts when all teams are flush with cash and looking to spend. Now in the beginning of June the money is dried up. A roster bonus due in March would at least force teams, in this case the Chiefs, to cut the player early, or guarantee the player another chunk of change that would otherwise not be earned if the team does cut him later in the offseason.

Mike Williams, big & slow. Don't like to see the lower body injuries on a guy that's already slow.

In his limited carries last year he looked slow, hesitant to hit the hole, and went down pretty easily. He also fumbled a couple times. I wouldnt count on him to be anything more than replaceable