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I'm sure there will be reports as to the level he participates in this off-season workout program starting Tuesday. The 1st two weeks is just conditioning, so would think he should be able to do stretches, etc if any chance of him being ready by Sept/Oct. Or the opposite could happen and the CB we draft shuts down the WR. For the most part Hill was burning Wallace and Jackson, if you have White back even if it's2023 at 100% and a 1st round CB as the #2 CB, add in the two safetys we have and T Johnson and not sure how many WR will be beating the group. If he's a top level CB, why do you expect him to be beat?

First off I'm fine with drafting a punter in the 5th or 6th. But don't think punting is nearly as important as holding, not with this offense. You state anyone can be trained to hold. Well the reality is there will be one guy only holding, the punter so he's the one who will need to be trained. Not saying a rookie can't be good at it, but to me that's more important than a couple more yards. The difference between Haack and the top punter on net yards is around 7 yards, but comparing to the top in the league is unrealistic. Compare to the league average is better, then the difference drops to 3 yards Seemed like he was worse last year in Green Bay.

You mean like a bad hold, something we saw a lot of with Bojo. And you want to put a rookie back there with limited experience with holding . There were only 2 punts ran back for TD's all last season, Bojo alone had more missed field goals due to bad holds. BTW, one of the TD's returned was against him too With a football field only 100 yards long correct that's not very likely. The Bills have a pretty good offense, how many times did they go three and out? Assume they start on their own 20/25 after a touch back and gain only one first down and another 5 yards and now have 4th and 5 on the 40. A punt going 50 yards in the air would land at the 10, likely anything much longer will be left to roll into the end zone anyway. I'd imagine a punters target would be around the 10 for that reason and for bad bounces. So the likelihood of gaining ten yards on a punt is not likely. As stated above the net difference between the best and worst punters in the league was only 6 yards. If his leg is a strong as advertised, with Araiza, good chance the team could lead the league in touch backs. I'd also be a bit nervous with him if he would mentally try to just boom everything to impress?

It's also a little different to punting in San Diego compared to Penn St. Stout may enjoy the Buffalo weather. Plus we could come up with a much better nickname for a punter named Stout. You can find many posts about what a mistake it was giving up Bojo for Haack, but when you compare the stats between them two, they were very close. Ironically too there were only 3 punts resulting in TD's the block by Haack and one of Bojo's was returned for a TD. I will say this I had also looked at the punting stats a few weeks back and was surprised how close Haack was to the best in the league. But my eyes told me a different story watching him last season. So the only explanation I can come up with is Haack was very inconsistent?? To me overall with this team holding is more important than a handful of yards at most difference on punts.

Except CB. At this point unless they trade or sign Bradberry if cut, not likely they get any other FA that would be a better starting option at CB than a 1st or maybe a 2nd round rookie. Actually IMO the two easiest positions for rookies to play are CB and RB. More often than not the only difference between 1st rounders and 2nd and 3rd rounders is the 2nd and 3rd round players need a year or maybe even two for development. So they can just as easily become good to great players. Think they still likely will sign a vet CB for depth, but the rookie will start. Assuming White is back even at only 60% of his ability in Sept and maybe 85% by year end, we're asking the rookie to be the #2 CB, not #1 so still OK to me. With the two safeties we have can help cover up rookie mistakes a lot too. Likely the two highest priorities to sign next off season will be Oliver (just for relief of his 5th year option cost) and Knox. The only TE help we need is depth so highly doubt they will sign a TE anywhere near the top unless they don't plan to extend Knox. They could just as easily sign another OJ Howard type next year again, as they are there every season to pair with Knox. IMO if they resign Knox, I'd feel better signing Howard like players every year as TE takes too much time to develop. Teams need a dominant TE when they have weak armed QB's who can't throw a 20 yard out to a WR. We don't have that problem so are better off having elite WR's and depth there than a rookie TE who won't even be active. There's an active roster spot for another WR, but not another TE barring injury.

Think if you DON'T have the strong arm QB like Allen, throwing to TE is a better choice. Allen doesn't need to throw to him. Looking at the stats, Knox yards per catch is within one yard of most of the leaders. Only two with a significant more yds/catch were Gronk, Godert, and Pitts. Even a year ago, I know a number of folks wanted Ertz or someone like that. My take on it there are only so many passes to go around. You add in the dominant TE and someone else is getting less passes thrown to them. Even this off season, there were threads lets sign D Adams. Our WR group would unstoppable, my take would be less passes to Diggs and Davis and others instead.

Agree, love to have one. How many teams have one? Besides Kelce, Gronk, and the guy in San Fran, what others are there. Good chance the kid in Atlanta becomes the next one, but they are very hard to find and doesn't sound like there are any in this draft even close. They are unicorns that you get very lucky when you find one and are almost impossible to predict it seems. Personally I'd give Knox a much better chance of him joining the dominant group than drafting a rookie and expecting him to become dominant especially within the next TWO seasons.

Basically have listed mostly every position except QB, yes understand bottom of the list is minor. Lets look at the top five positions you list, Center, TE, Guard, RB, and DE. IMO anyone drafted 4th round or higher either needs to make the 53 or if cut will never either make it to, or stick on the PS. Reading your comments, overall it appears you want to draft guys, if they aren't playing at pro bowl level after two years, replace them, not a good way to develop a top level roster. I'll group center and guard here. There are 9 O-lineman on the roster today not counting Hart that could project to the 53 man roster. They could cut/trade Ford to open a slot for a rookie, but to bring in two high picks means cutting someone else who likely is better than a 3rd, 4th or lower round rookie this coming year. He may be better than say Bates in 2023, but not likely this season. So makes sense to use one high pick, and maybe take a 6th or 7th rounder and move to PS, but then 2nd guy isn't a high priority. Same with TE, you have two starting caliper TE's on the roster plus Gilliam and Sweeney. From what I read TE is weak in this draft, and also it's one of the positions that takes the longest to develop so if you draft a TE in round 2 as you suggest, likely he'll be inactive all season. Is that what you want to do with your 2nd round pick, watch him not play. Maybe a 4th or 5th round TE makes sense but again he'll be inactive most of season. At this point I'd take Gilliam over a rookie TE as he's great at ST and is kind of a Swiss army knife fit. Agree on RB, taking someone day 2 of draft is good IMO DE, you list Addison, he's not even on the roster! Maybe you mean Basham?? Yes none are playing great, but even if they drafted a DE in round 1, at #25, the likelihood of him playing better in 2022 than any of the 4 on the team, plus Miller is again very low. I agree except Groot, the other three haven't yet lived up to their draft selection, but one is also a rookie and another played 2 years. Give them some time to develop before replacing them because again to draft someone, means one of the names you list will be gone. Before you draft someone you need to ask yourself, is there a roster slot for this player that will not weaken the 2022 roster by picking him. In addition as you state it's a potential Super Bowl roster so to me the best strategy is to draft positions where a player can improve the roster this coming year! Developing for future needs is fine as long as by putting the rookie on the 53 isn't making this years team worse or in the case of a backup, there's not much drip off. Where I see those openings are at CB, WR, P, RB, & C/G(but only one drafted before round 5) The other position I think you could use development is safety which is the one position you feel isn't needed. Will Poyer be here in 2023? Meanwhile the two rookies don't play that much barring injury and are not anything too special, so drafting a player prior to round 4 IMO would not be a waste at safety. You state only two are going to start! That is doubtful to me. Barring a surprise trade or injury to a starter or high backup, the only position I see a rookie coming in and starting and improving the current starting lineup is CB. Actually also punter, but not including that here. It's possible also RB, or guard if selected fairly high. As many have stated, will be surprised if more than 5 rookies make the roster

Was the 1970 season, but the first post merger SB was played in 1971. That may have been what you recalled?

So explain to me what am I missing? Sounds like the thread is about Allen has won more than the Jets lifetime and you added how he's beaten Miami soundly every time. All great news. Ha ha, Jets and Fish!! And my comment was, yeah just like Brady beat the Bills almost every time. So what part went over my head??

Yes am aware of all that about Jets and Titans. What screwed me up was thinking Tenn Titans were originally the Houston Oilers and they were in the AFL East division. Thought they won the east in 1967. Recall the Jets starting the year off hot, like 5-0, then fell apart and Oilers won the east. Actually just checked, they did win the east lost to the Raiders in championship game who then went on to lose to the Packers in SB II Yes but you need a brain to start and maker some sense with which you may be lacking. What are you 12? At least then you have an excuse!

Instead Brady can say he owned the Bills! Does that make you happier??

In fairness, over the past roughly 35 years, the AFC East has had three pretty dominant teams, all three not named the NY Jets. When competing against those teams does make it tougher to come out on top. From about 86 to 2000 you had two teams to beat out, then since 2000 had one extremely dominant team that would just beat everyone in the division, leaving them far behind. When you look likely could say that about one team in almost every division, Cleveland and Cincy haven't won much in the north, Chargers out west, and Jax in the south. South was often a case to where someone had to win it, but no one was every real strong for an extended period.. Actually just read going all the way back to 1960 when the AFL was formed, the AFC East has won 26 AFC/AFL conference titles, 11 NE, 6 Buffalo, and 5 Miami, Jets 1, and two teams no longer in the East Titans 2, Colts 1. Interesting also that the Pats, Bills and Fish have one 48 out of roughly 62 AFC East titles. So overall three very dominant teams conference wide in the East.

All you hear today in all sports, players are disrespected! Poor babies!!

Feel bad for Baker, he was disrespected!

I wonder if many of these things could be found as wrong doings by many of the NFL owners. But at this point Washington wants to get rid of Snyder and is digging up everything they can on him to make sure it happens. Congress is tied of paying for season tickets and they keep losing!

IMO I have less of an issue with Watson than I do with Herbert and Burrow. I'd put Watson above them two. They may become very good, but so far haven't seen enough.

Realistically the Bills have 8 players ahead of him on the depth chart,making him #9. I count the Greg Mancz the FA they signed from Miami mainly because he's potentially there backup center, not however counting Hart. So that leaves Ford at #9, typically the number of players kept on the 53. But if they draft a FA rookie anywhere in round 4 or higher, then he will be on the 53 and that bumps Ford down and out. The only way he stays is either due to long term injury so they are now down another body or he beats out Ike B or Bates which isn't that likely. You yourself have stated, he's not good, but only being kept for cheap contract, but believe Ike B's contract is cheaper. So think he may be in trouble regardless.

I've always felt no other coach but Marv Levy could get the Bills back to the SB 4 times in a row. If you switched coaches with the other teams they played, Parcells, Gibbs, Johnson, never would have made it back. But also think any of those other coaches would have won one of the games for the Bills too.

Read a mock today on ESPN, all 7 rounds, they had Hall going to the Bills in round 2. Also had the Bills getting the punter Arizza (sp) in round 5, round 1 was a CB, think it was the kid from Clemson. All told, kind of liked this mock is they could get Hall in the 2nd and the punter in the 5th. Couple of WR's thrown in there too, one from UCLA I recall, plus interior lineman. Thinking some more I'm not as opposed anymore even to Hall in the 1st. I hear it about not taking a RB in the 1st, not good value and normally makes sense. But he's a bit of a different type of RB, so not sure he'd get the same wear and tear by the end of his 1st contract than a RB normally sees. So there may be more value with him than normal.

If they draft a RB which I agree good chance will happen, doubt he's even on the roster. Either him or Jonson will be gone and the other one left will likely be inactive. Of the two I give Johnson a better chance of surviving.

AFC West plays the NFC West so no easy task there, though is a bit easier with the Russel Wilson trade. Also play the AFC South which has 2 good to decent teams. If Lawrence figures things out, could be 3 good teams. The AFC also has the 17th game on the road so that won't help any of them. So having said all that I'll go with 2 teams as somewhat of a tough schedule and they will beat each other up.

Tend to agree with the one wild card being Bradberry. If he's cut, then maybe they don't wait to sign. Or maybe he's traded to the Bills, again would change things

Yeah always felt J Allen playing at Wyoming is more impressive than Tua playing at Bama

Yeah overall see the same with Stevenson. Never know, he could become the next Antonio Brown (on field part only, that may not even be good anymore LOL) or the next typical 6th round selection who hangs on for a couple of years. Think if we draft a WR late, that guy could easily replace Stevenson as Stevenson replaced Hodgins . Interesting McKenzie's 40 yard time is listed as 4.42 while Stevenson is 4.45 a tad slower. Likely not ran a the same point in time, so who know how reliable that is, but he's not heads and shoulders above everyone else to be the fastest WR on the team. Never know, but certainly wouldn't draft him now for my fantasy team.