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Solid move. But Hollywood's ability to stay healthy is always a concern and they're out MVS and Hardman, while still carrying Toney and bust Skyy Moore. Also lost Willie Gay and are probably going to lose L'Jarious Sneed. So I don't necessarily look at it being a situation of improvement, even with Hollywood coming in.

Yeah, I had a feeling this was going to happen based on his last Twitch stream. He was streaming Mahomes highlights and saying that he was "going to text Creed (Humphrey) in the morning". I'd like to think this might take them out of the conversation for WR in Round 1. But with MVS and Hardman as FA's, Toney being, well, Toney, and Skyy Moore seeming either a late bloomer who hasn't bloomed or a bust - they still have a lot of work to do even with Hollywood.

It would be either Sutton or a 1st Round Pick, not both. If you've got Stef Diggs, Courtland Sutton, and Curtis Samuel (not to mention Khalil Shakir and Dalton Kincaid) - you're not spending a 1st on a WR. One of those guys isn't getting many reps as WR4 (not to mention pushing Shakir to WR5). And you're not giving up that kind of assets, Draft pick and financially, for that role. We got Samuel. Now we get our Thomas/Mitchell/Legette type X and we're heavily upgraded from last year, while being able to utilize all 3 regularly.

A Top 10 Pick in the 4th tho

Wow. I mean, I can't fault a guy for getting that paper if it's being offered. But it seemed like it was clear, both from a results standpoint and from his own standpoint following the season - that he was done and was retiring. Maybe he feels that an off the bench, depth role where he can help youngsters transition is a role he can still play. But he's toast. And with the shape of his neck, you'd think he'd be worried about his life after Football. But, hey, who am I to judge someone for not wanting to walk away until they absolutely have to and earn more money if they can?

Mitch Morse - Replaced with Connor McGovern from LG Connor McGovern at LG - Replaced with OG David Edwards Do we need some depth Interior? Sure. Is that something you need to spend High Draft Picks on or something that will be expensive in FA? No.

Signings: WR Curtis Samuel - Washington Commamders S Mike Edwards - Kansas City Chiefs DT Austin Johnson - LA Chargers DT DeShawn Williams - Carolina Panthers QB Mitch Trubisky - Pittsburgh Steelers WR Mack Hollins - Atlanta Falcons LB Nicholas Morrow - Philadelphia Eagles IOL - Will Clapp - LA Chargers P Matt Haack - Indianapolis Colts Re-Signings: DT Daquan Jones DE AJ Epenesa S Taylor Rapp OG David Edwards S Cam Lewis RB Ty Johnson Free Agents Acquired by Others: WR Gabe Davis - Jacksonville Jaguars DE Leonard Floyd - San Francisco 49ers CB Tre'Davious White - LA Rams (Cut) S Jordan Poyer - Miami Dolphins (Cut) C Mitch Morse - Jacksonville Jaguars (Cut) CB Dane Jackson - Carolina Panthers LB Tyrel Dodson - Seattle Seahawks DT Tim Settle - Houston Texans DT Poona Ford - LA Chargers WR Trent Sherfield - Minnesota Vikings CB Siran Neal - Miami Dolphins (Cut) RB Nyheim Hines - Cleveland Browns (Cut) OG Ryan Bates - Chicago Bears (Trade) QB Kyle Allen - Pittsburgh Steelers *RB Damien Harris (Retirement) Unsigned Free Agents: RB Latavius Murray WR Deonte Harty (Cut) DE Shaq Lawson DT Jordan Phillips DT Linval Joseph LB Tyler Matakevitch S Micah Hyde

The only thing I hate about this move is the amount of people who now think we're set at WR and want to bang the table that Round 1 WR is now off the table. It's absolutely not. Samuel is a great player and represents the top end in both talent and price tag of a WR that DOESN'T preclude us from Drafting a WR in Round 1. If we had paid 13-23m a year for a True Outside WR like Davis, Mooney, and Ridley are and got, sure. But as a 8m a year guy who works predominantly out of the Slot - he fits perfectly into the price and role of a high end 3rd option, with the skill to be the secondary passing option if the Rookie takes some time and a floor of providing more from the WR position behind Diggs than we got last season. The plan this offseason was always to get Josh help. To go from a decent, yet limited core to a great one. Replacing Gabe Davis, Deonte Harty, and Trent Sherfield with Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins doesn't do that. Samuel replaces Harty (in a BIG way) and Hollins replaces Sherfield. But we still need to replace Gabe with an Outside guy. We still need another big option and we're going to get one early in the Draft.

Like it or not, the most important trait to McDermott on Defense (and in turn Beane) is players who have experience playing under him in his scheme. That is always going to take precedent to this regime. Lewis is a backup. We'll still be filling a hole at Starter opposite Rapp.

Stefon Diggs 1 of Thomas Jr./Mitchell/Legette Curtis Samuel Khalil Shakir Mack Hollins 1 of Shorter/Late Round/Isabella/Hamler

Wow - that makes 4 Bills UFA's announced to other teams in a 45 minute span. LB Tyrel Dodson - Seattle Seahawks WR Trent Sherfield - Minnesota Vikings DT Poona Ford - LA Chargers DT Tim Settle - Houston Texans Hopefully there's a comp in there somewhere.

Just have to be more creative

My mistake. I meant to say surefire high to mid 2nd, which if you're saying he won't be there at 60 - he has to be.

C'mon 2.5m or more base on at least one of these guys 🤞

I don't think it's a troll or that there means there's an issue. It just goes to what I was saying yesterday. With WR's going for what they're going for, he's not going to volunteer a pay cut that he doesn't have to do and make himself underpaid. He's not in the situation that Von or Knox were in.

I'm not so sure of that. Fiske is a guy who is a 3T only with no versatility elsewhere. Also, as @HappyDays pointed out - the flaw on his scouting report is that he has poor hand usage. This is a big, BIG thing when it comes to prospects translating at the next level. Guys who don't have great hand usage OFTEN underperform from College to the Pro's. This isn't to say he can't possibly be good. Just to say he isn't the amazing prospect, sure fire Top to mid 2nd that you're hyping him as. There are legit concerns.

I doubt Beane was "pissed off". He's got plans for everything. He's got players he likes and prices he's willing to pay. If a player gets too much, he passes and pivots to another plan. He's not the type of guy to get emotional and just make a move just because or bank on a guy being here before terms are agreed to. The only time he's gotten "pissed off" is when McKissick agreed to terms with us and then reneged after Washington all of a sudden became interested after it was announced he was coming here. This was a matter of, in my opinion, him knowing what Samuel's tag was and was waiting on seeing if Armstead was going to happen or not. When it didn't, he said "okay, cool, I can definitely swing Samuel - pull the trigger".

I don't think it's a coincidence that this didn't come to fruition until Armstead was off the table. I don't think we could have made Armstead AND Samuel happen. It goes back to what I was saying from the get go on this thread. If it comes down to heavily investing into DL and putting less into WR or investing more in WR and putting less into DL - the choice was obvious IMO. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. You can still get decent guys behind Oliver and Jones without paying the bounty it would have cost for Armstead. Getting Josh help was more important.

With all due respect to both you and Ty, he is the "cheap vet" to round out the room. I like Ty and I'm glad he's back. Wanted him back. But I think he's in the same role as he was last year. Inexpensive RB3 and a solid guy to call on when there's injuries or one of the top 2 guys are underperforming. I'd expect another vet that's a little more expensive or a mid round picks (instead of late) to be RB2.

Shakir and Kincaid will still get a lot of usage. We'll just need to be creative in our alignments. Putting Samuel on the Outside is doing the same thing you're saying about Kincaid and Shakir. Playing him mainly in the Slot and occasionally put Wide is where he's best. It's what he does.

Curtis Samuel is more of a Slot guy. He's going to get a lot of usage all over the field. But for as much as you were joking, you weren't wrong that he isn't a full time Starter on the outside. There's a lot of different looks we're going to give to have him on the field a lot. I think we're going to see a lot more of Kincaid with his hand on the ground. Diggs, Rookie, Samuel in the Slot with Kincaid at TE. 4 WR sets with Diggs, Rookie, Samuel, and Shakir. Etc. And some scenarios you'll have Samuel split out Wide. But the idea that Samuel creates a scenario where Round 1 WR is out and the Outside Spot is now completely covered isn't accurate.